Evolve Kit, worth it for me?

[tgaffner]

I was about to buy a Evolve Kit for my 05. But, these are me settings right now:

LPR- 42
Dwell-7
Reg- 180
Vol- Large 3-Sum

And with the Evolve Kit people are using these settings:

LPR- 100 then down to 55
Dwell- 8 or 9
Reg- 200?

I am using a Stock 05 Speed and my settings are completely lower than the Evolve's settings. So I wondered, would it even be worth it?

[paintreliever]

i would say no..just cause i dont fell like spending money on something that i havnt heard anything good of from regular people, and the speed is already a good gun anyway

[Trigga Nometry]

The whole point to the Evolve Kit is not the LPR or how low you can get your settings.

Here is what Evolve says about how it works:
With the Lightweight hammer you can run low lprs due to the removed recipricating mass when i mean light weight i mean LIGHT and due to the way the new valve works it requires hardly any force to open we run at 220/230 because it is the most effecient we could go lower. As for the blast of air on a paintball this has been proven to not break paintballs it is the bolt hitting the ball that breaks it as proven by airgun designs hence their Lv10 bolt.

Well we have mixed the 2 you have stated up there

LOW LPR + medium operating pressure+ LOW DWELL = High rate of fire, high shot count and no ballbreakage.

peegee

And others explaining it:
The valve probably has higher flow and opens with less force. This means that the LPR can be lower. As far as the lighter hammer weight goes, it still hits with the same force as a heavier hammer (F=MA, less weight will cause more acceleration but the same force) but the hammer accelerates away from the valve quicker once it has reached equilibrium(once it stops moving forward). To make up for the shorter dwell, they upped the pressure. Since you are moving less mass(less force) you are using less air. Combine that with the upped pressure and you have yourself a more efficient marker.

Think of it in simpler terms like on a blowback. We all know that a lighter hammer and ligther hammer spring will cause the fps to go down on a spyder so you turn up the pressure and add a lighter valve spring/higher flow valve to compensate.

Also:
Ok now i will explain how the valve works

We have used a pat pending process of preassure/area reduction
basically if you imagine your valve seat being held shut by air pressure and a spring you have to hit the valve with a heavy mass at speed to open it then to allow it to stay open you have to add dwell.

what we have done is create a valve seat that has a small piston attached to a rod on the back of the seat this piston is 2/3rds the size of the seat and it sits in the volumiser. when you apply air preassure to the valve seat now you apply 2/3rds the preassure to the piston so basically you have less preassure pressing on the seat. this means you can run a slightly higher input preassure. Add to this the fact it now only needs to be hit with a lightweight force for example a 10 gram hammer at a lower lpr preassure.

So you get decreased kick. More Accuracy, better gas consumption no ball breakage even with brittle paint. and because the dwell can be run lower you increase the cycle time of the gun.

Low psi LPR's don't necessarly impress me. The Newton's adjustable LPR, the valve & springs, volumizer, etc. is where it should show the most promise.

I just have to get a fill and install the darn thing.

[ZoomZoom]

im using the cobra bolt, lpr and vol realy like it

[$blissta05$]

All that info really helps I didnt really know anything about it, im still thinkin of gettin an evolve kit but im still searching for people that have it. I wanna hear everyones opinion on it

[Snowfire]

if ur gun is shootin fine dont worry bout it, i have found that out and it saves me soo much money

[Talfuchre]

Here is what I have seen from the Evolve - but I want to test it a lot more.

1) There is NO - I mean NO kick. It kicks less than a DM4 or any other marker I have ever fired. This is my 17th season so I do not say that lightly.

2) It is efficient. We dropped 500 rounds out of a 45/4500 and shot 1800 PSI. If that is right - you can get 10 140 round tubes out of a 45/45! Sheesh!

3) It is touchy. It sets up your 5peed like a race car - but any race car is very suceptible to changes. So - when you change your velocity - you will likely change your blow back in the feed neck. If you are mechanical enough - you can set your marker up at the beginning of the day and forget it. But the difference is that the 5peed right now can be set up once - and forgotton until there is a problem. Not a huge negative but something to consider.

But - If you are okay with your efficiency the kick thing is REALLY impressive but doesn't really change a lot.

I mean - with an Empire youc an rip 25 BPS forever without the barrel moving at all - but if the comparison of a large vol and the Evolution is not a huge difference.

For 150 bucks I was REALLY impressed - but I am not sure if you really need the changes it provides.

TF

[tgaffner]

I ordered one anyway....

I cant wait untill it gets here!

[Stunt10011]

i ordered one too. i cant wait.

[weeman2]

it works like no other i love the thing!

[canyouspellthis]

ill be ordering one soon. :-)

[Marius|Downfall]

Ive been reading througt alot about the evolve kit. And one thing that pops up i my head is that, its the lighthammer who makes the kick go away. So I wander if It would work with out the rest of the kit?

Im not worried about efficency, going from a shocker and being a frontman that is.

(sorry about bad english)

[speedfreakspb]

It's working fine Marius. You can drop the LP so that you get little kick. The Angel shoots completely different after you installed the kit.

[pblcd225]

I would post what I think about my kit and if you want the best out of your marker its a great mod, but Talfuchre's post is as good of a post as anyone!!! you hit the nail on the head bro great post!!!

[fife]

Ive been reading througt alot about the evolve kit. And one thing that pops up i my head is that, its the lighthammer who makes the kick go away. So I wander if It would work with out the rest of the kit?

Im not worried about efficency, going from a shocker and being a frontman that is.

(sorry about bad english)

It's a combination of the light hammer and lower LPR pressure. We have been using custom lightweight hammers since February of 2004 (they are about 10 grams heavier than Evlove's), LPR's set at 60-65 psig at 200 psig out of mini-reg, dwell 10 mS. No kick at all! We did initially have a problem opening the exhaust valve with the lighter hammer, a lighter spring solved that. We now use Cobra's valve and it works great with the lighter hammer. Evolve must have had the same problem I had initially had with the lighter hammer, that's probably why they use a newly designed valve.

The only thing I don't like about their kit is the o-ring used on the valve, that is taking a step backwards from the stock cup seal. I have heard that they might have changed that already? :dunno:

[pblcd225]

It's a combination of the light hammer and lower LPR pressure. We have been using custom lightweight hammers since February of 2004 (they are about 10 grams heavier than Evlove's), LPR's set at 60-65 psig at 200 psig out of mini-reg, dwell 10 mS. No kick at all! We did initially have a problem opening the exhaust valve with the lighter hammer, a lighter spring solved that. We now use Cobra's valve and it works great with the lighter hammer. Evolve must have had the same problem I had initially had with the lighter hammer, that's probably why they use a newly designed valve.

The only thing I don't like about their kit is the o-ring used on the valve, that is taking a step backwards from the stock cup seal. I have heard that they might have changed that already? :dunno:


Na it still uses a o-ring there(are atleast my kit does and it is brand new)