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silent but deadly
12-25-2004, 05:06 PM
whats the difference between the normal speed and the speed demon besides the milling? also is that cinversion thing from angel force worth it and dose it make your gun faster? sorry im making the switch from cockers to angels so im an angel newbie i guess.................................btw-merry christmas
firemedic30
12-25-2004, 05:18 PM
I can't really help you with the difference between Demon vrs. the regular Speed. Sorry!
BUT...the conversion is worth if you have the money. I do believe that the BPS do go up a bit. I have seen fine tuned SENSIs that are fast. But the eyes are a better anti-chop system.
silent but deadly
12-25-2004, 05:32 PM
does the speed come with rechargable batteries? can you use normal batteries in the speed? and also will the speed still shoot fast even tho it has sensi? will it chop even if i have a halo? sorry for all of the questions at once.
firemedic30
12-25-2004, 05:57 PM
Right, the Speed comes with a rechargable battery stick. You will need to give it a charge of 8 hours, two four hour sessions.
Like I said, I have seen sensis that rock. Mine was pretty fast. I was getting into the red zone on the meter. It is like anything else, with a little fine tuning, it will purr.
The HALO issue with the Speeds with Sensi is a major hit or miss. Some of the guys had nothing but bad luck with that combo. Some nothing but great success. The main issue with the two are rather or not the pressure of the balls will break the sensi rod or not. WHY?......couldn't tell ya. With the hit or miss and why, there does not seem to be a reason.
Never worry about the questions, that is what we are here for!!!!
El Pirata
12-25-2004, 05:59 PM
I can't really help you with the difference between Demon vrs. the regular Speed. Sorry!
BUT...the conversion is worth if you have the money. That goes against the laws of reason. You don't know the difference (the improvements) but you say the conversion is worth it. Am I the only one who found this comment a little, hmmmm, well you'll understand.
acoenfam1
12-25-2004, 06:01 PM
Good explination Firemedic. haven't heard from you in a while how's your gun workin'? As for the differences they are purely cosmetic. If you are going to get the gun eyed it is worth the money and now I'd get the laser eyes if I were you.
firemedic30
12-25-2004, 06:11 PM
That goes against the laws of reason. You don't know the difference (the improvements) but you say the conversion is worth it. Am I the only one who found this comment a little, hmmmm, well you'll understand.
The demon speed and the regular speed are different guns. There are slight differences between them.
The conversion is another issue all together!
So, I guess not!
firemedic30
12-25-2004, 06:15 PM
Good explination Firemedic. haven't heard from you in a while how's your gun workin'? As for the differences they are purely cosmetic. If you are going to get the gun eyed it is worth the money and now I'd get the laser eyes if I were you.
It's funny Austin, I was thinking of having him contact you since you have one. Congrats on the IDF present!!! LOL.
My gun is rippin. I added the conversion since we last talked! Again thanks for the info. Be safe.
BTW, congrats on the soon to be promotion.
El Pirata
12-25-2004, 06:21 PM
The demon speed and the regular speed are different guns. There are slight differences between them.
The conversion is another issue all together!
So, I guess not!
I guess my point is that if you don't know what the difference between the two how do you know it is worth the money for the conversion?
firemedic30
12-25-2004, 06:25 PM
I know that the Demon has the Sensi. As far as all the little differences I can not help. But the Sensi on the Demon is a Sensi on the regular.
Sorry. I try to help where I can.
PakmanRevd
12-25-2004, 06:53 PM
I guess my point is that if you don't know what the difference between the two how do you know it is worth the money for the conversion?
What does knowing the difference between the demon and speed hafta do with recommending the conversion?
Maybe I missed something..
El Pirata
12-25-2004, 07:15 PM
What does knowing the difference between the demon and speed hafta do with recommending the conversion?
You'll recommend something you know nothing about? Personally I try not to blow money on any product I don't know about. Maybe I'm being a but frugal but logic would suggest to me I should not recommend something I don't know about. Now I could very possibly just do a bit of research on a product and recommend it based on the information I found but taking a blind leap, or in this case, telling someone else to buy something I know very little about seems wrong. It's like asking a deaf person to explain the difference between the music of Tom Jones and Ozzy Osborne. It just seems wrong. I remember seeing people buy many products over the years thinking because it cost more so it must be better. Sometimes it is the case but not always. I always felt the Dark series markers were nice but not nice enough to warrant their price.
Maybe it's just me but that's my thought.
PakmanRevd
12-25-2004, 07:28 PM
okokokok I see what you are saying... my bad
Jetwing@Impactpaintball
12-25-2004, 07:52 PM
as you stated in your first post...ur question about the difference between the two guns and the conversion question are seperate issues... therefore not knowing much about the difference in guns is irrelevant when recommending the conversion... therefore i do not see the same flaw in logic as you do...maybe you read it wrong. if i am mistaken because i missed something lemme know... =)
firemedic30
12-25-2004, 10:54 PM
Sorry my vocabulary was not exact enough or that I was unable to fully explain myself.
BUT...I may not know the difference between Ozzy and Tom, or I may know that they can either use a guitar or take a trash can and kick it while they sing and just not feel comfortable enough to comment on it.
Either way, the main issue is that the guns fire the same way!!!!! The conversion is an adjunct that alters the firing of the gun. Sensi rod or a laser eye.
I was trying to help. At least I helped. You just jumped in and tried to insult me and put me down.
silent but deadly
12-25-2004, 10:59 PM
so you cant use normal batteries in a speed? if you lose the charger youre screwed then
firemedic30
12-25-2004, 11:00 PM
You could always get a new charger. But no, you have to use the battery that comes from WDP.
silent but deadly
12-25-2004, 11:06 PM
that stanks
firemedic30
12-25-2004, 11:11 PM
that stanks
HUH?
El Pirata
12-26-2004, 05:55 AM
I was trying to help. At least I helped. You just jumped in and tried to insult me and put me down.
You call objecting to someone's else's logic and giving reasons an insult? You might not agree with that or not but it is helping people letting them know that everyone on the internet is not necessarily giving them helpful info that they actually know about. Whatever, I said my peace, I'm done.
04Speed vs. Speed Demon:
Mostly cosmetic differences....both use SENSI
SENSI vs. Fly conversion:
Change in ball-detection/anti-chop system....Fly being the better of the two
To sum it up.....if you want a different look from the normal Speed with the same detection system go with the Speed Demon....if you want a different system go with the Fly conversion.
Maybe that answered your question with no opening to attacks on my logic.
Zinn, I'd like to add on to your conversion explanation.
The fly conversion is explained, shown in vids and pictures, and raved about in it's section on this forum.
The basics are: The speed's Sensi System is removed, if it is a speed/a4 that you are doing the conversion on. The LPR->Solenoid passages are enlarged, allowing lower LPR pressure, and smoother operation and performance virtually equalling that of the new A4 fly's.
The sensi rod hole is plugged, and the new a4 fly board is installed. I am not sure if the Euro Speed boards are available for a cheaper price, since they lack the features of the a4 fly board, just like the 04 speed lacked the features A4.
Feel free to attack, I like challenges.
Well, if I've typed this much, I guess i'll explain the demon and speed differences.
The speed demon is just like any other Warped Sports gun. It has different colors, and their "Shank" volumizers were available, as well as a snatch grip. There is NO difference in performance, it is purely cosmetic.
You call objecting to someone's else's logic and giving reasons an insult?
You are objecting to something that doesn't exist. He answered the man's questions, stop trying to start arguments where they aren't necessary.
"Is the conversion worth it?" It's all relative. Now that you know more about it, you may soon be able to figure that out for yourself.
Yo SkeL....thanks for the more in-depth explanation, some of which is new info to me. :worthy:
PakmanRevd
12-27-2004, 01:51 AM
You are objecting to something that doesn't exist. He answered the man's questions, stop trying to start arguments where they aren't necessary.
Rephrase - This isn't PBN.
Excuse me? What are you trying to say?
PakmanRevd
12-27-2004, 05:09 AM
Excuse me? What are you trying to say?
I said exactly what you said..lol
(don't worry, I am on your side)
Yo SkeL....thanks for the more in-depth explanation, some of which is new info to me. :worthy:
'tis what i'm here for :angel:
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