Attention to all owners of cheater boards

[Presto333]

Just made a thread on pbn and figured it would be fair to put it on here too....


Hi, i'd like to adress all of you. I am not one of these people that jumps on the hater bandwagon just for the hell of it. I think this is a VERY seriuous issue. I'm going to adress 3 types of cheating. PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING BEFORE RESPONDING!!!

ROF Ramp: first is rof ramp. This is when someone shoots to a certain point, usually 8-10 bps, then the gun goes into full auto mode. I have one thing to say to ppl using this, get some skill. Just because you don't have the skill to pull your trigger xx amount of times doesn't mean you have the right to download your skill. I advise practicing walking your fingers on something, anything. Just because you can't pull the trigger fast doesn't mean some random kid should get bonus balled for ur lack of control on your rof.

Speed Ramp: i don't know the technical term for this, but this is the ramping that is done when you reach high rates of fire and your velocity goes up. For these ppl i have nothing but hate. You don't realize the extreme danger in this. Paintball masks are mean to hold 300fps balls, NOTHING MORE. this is what will happen to little johnny if he gets bunkered in the mask by someone using this ramp...
1st-2nd shot: break his goggles
3rd shot: take out his eye
4th §§§§: this will enter the now empty eye socket and hit his brain.
Just something for you guys to think about.

Bounce: this is something that i hate a little less than ramp. Sometimes this can just be accidental because of a bad trigger or tr setup. But when someone knowingly uses a gun with bounce it is wrong. Another example of someone not having enough skill to pull the trigger xx times that has to resort to their gun doing all the shots. There is no excuse for some unsuspecting baller to get bonus balled to the max just cause you can't pull the trigger fast enough.

I do see that sometimes ppl want to show off their guns capabilities, that is perfectly fine. But when someone takes these on the field and uses them, thats when i get pissed off

That is all i have to say to ppl that knowingly use cheater boards. I expect to get flamed and ragged on a bunch so go ahead. And to the ppl that do support my opinion, thanks.

[kk209]

I couldnt agree more

[Presto333]

i figure after putting 6 years into the sport it would be wrong of me to not say anything before i watch its downfall

Edit: also if anyone knows of an all timmy board or all dye board or sumtin, could u please copy/paste this thread in there or give me link to the site. I think ppl just don't know the dangers of cheater boards yet.

[Paintballjc]

I agree with everything he said! Its really gay how people are runing our sport and are getting rules changed just because they cheat. No thanks to cheaters, we are only allowed to shoot 15BPS in some circuit tourneys.... :pat:

[Presto333]

lol, its funny how one opinion of mine has turned into a 5 page flame war of my word against everyone elses on pbn. I have decided to make a vid proving my point that at excessive velocity the lens can break (please dont flame me hear, i alrdy have 5 pages of it), i alrdy have masks to do it, but if anyone would want to donate an old mask so i could do more tests that would be very appreciated.

[Crazy4Paintball1]

I agree 100% with what you say. At my local shop timmy's and trix's are extremley popular and they all bounce or ramp and everyone is proud of it. It is rediculous. This sport has been getting out of hand, and I have been playing for 9 1/2 years and things just seem to get worse. PBN is filled with a bunch of kids, most of which just like to argue, thats why the only reason I use PBN is to sell stuff, becuase there are so many people on there...lol

[crashdan]

there's no reason to flame....... you're completely correct....... they're probably just trying to look cool on pbn.... i cannot agree more with you on this

[Zinn]

I agree with you Presto, as do most people on my local site. So, don't worry you're really not alone on this issue. I'm looking forward to those vids.

[WARPED1]

I agree completely. I've been playing this game for 14 years, and within the last 10, I've seen skill levels decline. I hate bounce, it never should've been a user adjustable thing. Ramping is just dumb, learn how to shoot, don't let the marker play the game for you. When I play tourney, I usually shoot around 5-9 BPS, and I get more eliminations as the kid with the DM4 thats bouncing and ramping!

[crashdan]

same here warped.... i get teh same number of elims with my fly than i do with a stock cocker... i just shoot way more paint with the fly

[WARPED1]

I mean, there are times I've unloaded, shot like 15bps.
Another thing, shooting lanes and hoping an idiot walks into your stream is not skill, it's a stupid waste of paint.

[boathouse]

I have a cheater board and I'm glad I do. The only thing I agreed with you about is the velocity going up which really is dangerous. A few bonus balls aren't going to hurt anybody even from close up. Until everybody else takes their boards out I'm keeping mine.

[big azn]

Can I get a link to the pbn thread. I would like to read what they wrote.

[boathouse]

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=759786

[Presto333]

its funny how i left the thread after page 6, yet 2 more pages flaming my opinion r still going.

[RaistlinsLegacy]

what you call speed ramp is actually called dwell ramp, the faster you shoot the higher your dwell goes up, meaning at the same time your velocity can go to like 350 the Oakland assassins have a board like that on their timmies

[Presto333]

ya, i couldnt remember the name for it when i typed that up, since it is possible for it to ramp up to 350 that's probably the velocity i will be using for the ramping gun when i make the vid.

[Paintballjc]

I see nothing wrong with a little bounce during recball and stuff like that, but using it in a tourny.... where it says in the rules that bounce, ramp and crap like that.... is more then unacceptible :stooges:

[three fut nuthin]

i agree 100 percent...sometimes the refs are a bit to uptight about markers bouncing though, like Dales...o well
neways
this is my favorite thread now...besides the hot babe one NEWAYS thanks for this thread.

[Presto333]

neways
this is my favorite thread now...besides the hot babe one NEWAYS thanks for this thread.

lol, try as i may there is no topping the hot babe thread

[thog94]

lol, try as i may there is no topping the hot babe thread


That's right Presto, never gonna happen.

FYI, it's the most popular thread on AOG if you couldn't already tell...

[Furby]

Jeez, what'd I start?!

[Paintballjc]

I think this should be stickied....

[C.Carles-AOG]

Anyone making, buying, installing or using a cheater board should be removed from the sport beginning with bans at the local field level and escalate on up. Period.

[boathouse]

I'm tired of people who keep saying "cheater boards give players an unfair advantage". Umm... sorry to say, but pretty much everybody has a cheater board these days so everybody is pretty much on the same playing field again.

[boathouse]

Anyone making, buying, installing or using a cheater board should be removed from the sport beginning with bans at the local field level and escalate on up. Period.


So you're saying everybody with 05 Speeds should be banned?

[paintreliever]

i dont think that bounce is bad, but ramping and that velocity thing is pitiful..and as long as the bounce isnt out of control its fine by me...i dont like anything that just completely ruins the fun

[Zinn]

Umm... sorry to say, but pretty much everybody has a cheater board these days
Who exactly is everybody? Everyone at the field I play at doesn't use cheater boards. I'm sure no matter how much ppl on this site complain or state their opinions, it won't change your mind on the subject and that's fine. But there is no need to take their statements as a personal attack, because again they're just opinions.

[dragon32]

you're absolutely correct,
cheater boards are only going to ruin the sport for everybody because fields are going to have to shut down b/c insurance agencies will not want to have to cover injuries made by ramping, full auto, and velocity spikes.
ppl with cheaters take skill out of the game!

[WARPED1]

I'm sorry to say, but like 95% of pro players have no skill whatsoever. Just good software.

[Presto333]

Jeez, what'd I start?!

Don't worry, I have been thinking about this for a long time, it's just the recent events in the big paintball leagues that have sparked me to write this.

[dynastySSS]

Jeez, what'd I start?!

dale.... i was thinking the exact same thing lol

[PakmanRevd]

My gun outshoots my buddies tadao'd DM4... everyone laughs at his gun.. It's funny

[RaistlinsLegacy]

the Tadao board isnt that bad, it is pretty moderate, what really sucks is the crap that Advantage PB makes now, enter a code to set ramp, and a quick switch to stop the ramp so you cant be called, that is just kind of sad...

[paintreliever]

my teammate is getting one.......

[mamba_juice]

well, let's look at it this way...your never going to get rid of cheater boards without getting rid of electro's alltogether, simple as that. what is currently being set in place by a few circuts with the 15bps rule is the second way to get rid of them, because the field of play is level on nearly all grounds. the third and final one is simply to allow them, because they can't be called cheater boards if there legal, right?

however, it does give a fake "skill boost" if you can't hit anything with your current ROF...there are people who can hit somebody with 2-3bps, and there are people who can't hit anything unless there up there above 15. as said, it's taking most of the skill out of the game...anybody can sit in a bunker and spray paint everywhere, but not everybody can hit a person on a snap or post with one ball.

in fact i'll tell a little story, in a recent game (rec-ball btw) a person about 17 years old with an intimidator made a move on me through some brush. he got around the bush at me and must have shot an entire hopper. mind you this was during a firefight with 3 other people using my poor little phantom. now that person unloaded near 100 rounds at me and didnt hit me ONCE! I shot 3 times with the phantom and hit him each and every single time. I dont mean to brag, but it's a true story.

perhaps i'm just looney, but i see these ramping and bouncing boards as another excuse to join the stock class circuts :)

[WARPED1]

I bunkered a "pro" in a rec speedball game/practice, with me using a PGP. He had a fancy Matrix of some sort, he cried :)

[Presto333]

the only thing that worries me is that paintball is alrdy disliked and looked down upon as a war game by most of the media and the government. And all it takes is one little kid to have a freak accident from some accidental bonus balling or dwell ramping, and as there is more media, there is more coverage, and cheater boards are getting more and more popular, making it more likely for these freak accidents to happen. All we need is one over-protective mother to hire a very good lawyer and take it to supreme court before paintball guns r looked at as deadly weapons and u'll need to have a permit to start buying them. I dunno if it could get that bad, but even in the midst of all this lawsuit action going on, with all the companies money going into defending from other companies, it just takes a few lawsuits from injuries to drive companies bankrupt. Ruining paintball as we know it....

Edit: and i just wanted to assure u that im not stepping on any find of bandwagon against cheater boards to be "e-kool" and im not just trying to use dale's opinion (no offense to dale), this is all my own opinion and my own words.

[mamba_juice]

your fears are very well founded...paintball is critisized so because of what it is basically. your shooting projectiles at other people out of a paintball gun. there's more to it than that, but for the most part paintball is not a well accepted game (it's not a sport, it's a game).

for me, paintball died before i even got into it...it used to be about fun...not how cool you are, what marker you have, how fast you can shoot, etc...but that's exactly what it's become now. large industries are starting to see potential, and suddenly everything's about money. very few remaining companies want to watch the industry grow just for that reason, and the ones that do aren't very popular in the least bit. To tell you the truth because of those reasons i dont mind playing in an area that's for the most part still back in '93.

[Presto333]

i hear ya there, its way too much about money nowadays. Now it's almost like any big tourney u hafta have a sponsorship to even consider entering because of all the expenses. And wit the recent lawsuits (not throwing any names out there) its become even more about money. It's just a matter of time before you get a Bill Gates type that figures out a way to control most of the industry. But until then I will do everything in my power to keep paintball about fun.

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

i kinda see aog as the civilised town... and pbn as the city u see in movies with bikers zoomin down the street... newspapers flyin everywhere, trashcans used to make a fire for the homeless and people gettin drunk in the streets with hookers on the corner... lol

[WARPED1]

http://cleedo.com/pbnation.html
NUFF SAID...............

[sharps990]

lovin all the furby talkshow quotes

i agree with you totaly but i think that bounce it being cracked down on too much... it is so easy for a gun to add like a shot or 2 at really high rates of fire and that many times is not the users fault, its the guns; i dont think the team should be DSQed mby the gun and the person but not the entire team... unless its unbilivably(sp) illegal like the one that enutrage(sp) was usuing that was one of the most illegal that the judge had ever seen

sharps

[Presto333]

http://cleedo.com/pbnation.html
NUFF SAID...............

haha, and to think, for some reason i thought i could have an intelligent convo on there......boy was i wrong :stooges:

[El Pirata]

http://cleedo.com/pbnation.html
NUFF SAID...............
That brightened my day.

[Barber]

I really don't care about bounce all that much, but that dwell ramp crap is just plain retarded.

But, no matter what we do, people will still ramp, bounce, wipe, and play on.