05 accuracy

[Stunt10011]

well, after using my 05 for the first time I decide to upgrade that stock infinity barrel so I get a .691 stiffi. i had a few cases of premiums so I slide it through the barrel and notice it slide through pretty easily, and there is a super tiny gap cuz the paint must be a little small. on the field, I was amazed at the innacuracy. i couldnt hit §§§§. i had people with tippmans laughing at me. does the paint matching make that big a difference? i am thinking about getting a freak. any ideas?

[davew]

well, after using my 05 for the first time I decide to upgrade that stock infinity barrel so I get a .691 stiffi. i had a few cases of premiums so I slide it through the barrel and notice it slide through pretty easily, and there is a super tiny gap cuz the paint must be a little small. on the field, I was amazed at the innacuracy. i couldnt hit §§§§. i had people with tippmans laughing at me. does the paint matching make that big a difference? i am thinking about getting a freak. any ideas?


paint to barrel match to most is imporntant
speaking of freak i have a whole angel freak kit for sale in the classifides section:)

[winter001]

paint to barrel match makes all the difference in the world, I was amazed when I first got a barrel kit the difference it made.

[seven]

bore size will have precious little if any effect on ur accuracy.... only difference it will really make is to ur efficiency and even then its pretty negligible.... i think the problem probably lies elsewhere

what paint was it?

[Stunt10011]

it was PMI premiums. the paint was in perfect condition. lol davew btw i was the one who offered you 100 for it on pbn.

[Trigga Nometry]

To me, paint to bore match is "kinda" important. I think the main advantage you'll get with a good match is slightly better air efficiency. That doesn't mean that you're accuracy will not get better. It can get better in rare cases.

I did a bunch of testing of paint to barrel match when I had my Aradus barrel on my Tippmann A-5. I looked at both Evil and Marbs. I used a digital caliper to measure both the seam and the shell diameter before I did any testing. What I found that even the most expensive and/or high quality paint is not even close to being as perfect as you'd need it to make a difference all the time.

What the heck does that mean? It means that if you take the time and measure say 100 paintballs, you'll find that diameter (both the seam, which is larger, and the non-seam side) varies much more than you'd ever expect. That is the reason I never follow the paint size charts that you'll find out there. For me, they are not even close to being accurate. In the real world there are just too many process variables that have an effect on the final paintball's diameter.

Even if the paintball varies say a mere 3% in diameter (and that isn't much to expect), that would mean that a batch of perfect 0.68" (68 caliber) paintballs would vary as much as 0.66" to 0.70" diameter. You won't find a perfect barrel for that variation.

Anyway, those were my findings. And this is coming from a guy that uses a St!ffi Sw!tch Kit. Like I said, a paint to bore match can help, just not all the time and it'll GREATLY depend on the batch of paint you happen to get.

To many things can effect accuracy like: flow in the marker of HPA reg, inline reg, paint ball quality and fill, the barrel itself, how much you or your marker moves when you fire, etc...

Also check your velocity and see how consistant it is. How does it change for five shots in a row? If you get a lot of variation, expect a lot of accuracy problems.

[speedkills]

i know that they're smart parts, but dynasty shoots .695 barrels. would a team as good as dynasty do it if it would hurt their performance?

[ASU_BALLER]

try using the stock barrel with the pmi i do that and it shot darts

[davew]

it was PMI premiums. the paint was in perfect condition. lol davew btw i was the one who offered you 100 for it on pbn.
I sent you a pm

[aLLkILLERnOfILLER]

well, after using my 05 for the first time I decide to upgrade that stock infinity barrel so I get a .691 stiffi. i had a few cases of premiums so I slide it through the barrel and notice it slide through pretty easily, and there is a super tiny gap cuz the paint must be a little small. on the field, I was amazed at the innacuracy. i couldnt hit §§§§. i had people with tippmans laughing at me. does the paint matching make that big a difference? i am thinking about getting a freak. any ideas?

I have an evil pipe kit for auction on ebay. 12 inch, username is gjeffrie. A bit cheaper than a freak and just as good IMO. With a freak you have 4 or 5 inserts you'll almost never use, the pipe kit only has 5 backs, but they are the most common bore sizes. I have a black mamba switch kit on the way, that's why I'm selling the pipe kit, not cause I didn't like it. I just have an inside source at the north pole.

[RatJ313]

hey bro, i was shooting 5 month old paint out of a timmy with an UL and it was excellent. i had a few breaks but the UL just cleans them up and keeps shooting excellent ropes. i would honestly buy an UL if i was u with a .688 back because that sounds small, but a lot of different paints will shoot out of it fine and when u get money, buy the .692 and u will have one of the best barrels out there IMHO.

[speedkills]

dont get down man, prolly just a bad batch of paint. i occassionally got batches where i couldn't hit anything with my freak. paint would seperate from oil or something and they'd fly all over. shoot it a few more times with new paint and see what happens. good luck

[Stunt10011]

does accuracy really rely so heavily on paint? i always thought it was mostly gun and barrel...

[Trigga Nometry]

does accuracy really rely so heavily on paint? i always thought it was mostly gun and barrel...I would say yes. As far as accuracy, when you shoot crappy or low end paint, you cannot expect perfect results.

You can have the best, super consistent gun/HPA combo and barrel, but if the paint is all different sizes in the box, has dimples, or the fill has settled to one side, it won't be very accurate at all.

Again, those are just my beliefs.

[Snowfire]

all killer of iller, do you know that in your sig it says "evil pipe kit, but usually use my 12" boomy."? lol
anyways, ya I was wondering if I should upgrade the speed's stock barrel.

[speedkills]

trigga is prolly right. what makes evil that much more expensive than other paint. cuz its "made better and rounder"

[chirogator]

Could be a rumor, but I heard that pmi and evil are being made with the same shell. Hmmm?

I just shot a case of PMI premiums this weekend with fairly accurate shots. Some were round, some were not... Some of the seems appeared deeper than others.

I shoot a 12" Freak, with the .691 insert to reduce posssible beaks in the barrel.

Not too sure if the matching idea is all it has been cracked up to be.

[ZoomZoom]

well pmi is evil and evil is pmi but no the premium is not the same shell but however allstars are the same shells but a different fill same as the premium so the allstar is an evil shell and a premium fill also the midevil is the same as the allstars but cost more cause they say evil on them i myself shoot mostly allstars and evil when i find them for a good price

[TrashDoG]

my experience with premiums is basically like 50/50. One box is great, few dimples, fairly consistant size, etc.

Then the next box is friggen snowflakes, no 2 pballs alike.

I'd try better paint, Depending on how cold it is near you, (id say below 50ºF) you might try Polar Ice. If its normal temp, or indoor, try Marbs or Draxxus Heat (cheap but good paint).

[Stunt10011]

haha i live in florida. normally i shoot midnight and yes its cheap but ive never had any problems with it. i figured id try some "better" paint so i got some premiums. oh how wrong i was.

[nolimit2481@aol.com]

yeh i only use blaze and midnight i dont really got the money for liek a 55 box a paint cuz i go through cases liek there nuthin but i have only had like 1 or 2 barrel breaks with them on my 5peed and ive just upd to a stiffi kit
and no breaks through 2 cases every once in a while itll shoot some lil ball that flys 40 feet to the right lol but i can live wth that

[thatdude]

nolimit, where did you get your stiffi kit?

[ZoomZoom]

i use a i piece stiffi and i have never had a barrle break yet oh and its a .691 bore dont see the need for a kit feel its a waist of money

[nolimit2481@aol.com]

www.actvil.com
i got it there i wanted to get a stiff tip and a freak or ul back that would be tight but it ends up costin alot 2

[Snowfire]

So, really kits are not any more accurate than a .691 barrel. But they are more efficient. The question is are they more consistant?

[chirogator]

After speaking with some techs at the local store, the consistency comes with the tigther seal of the ball/barrel match. Meaning, that the balls will all drop off together, where as with a poor match some may drop a foot or 2 sooner or later. Accuracy in other directions (to the sides) really does not apply to the barrel, but the roundness, and consistency of the roundness of the paint used. :secrets:

[ZoomZoom]

yes finely some one who gets it thank you chirogator see its not the barrle and that would mean that kits are not needed