heres some more info on the 05 locking up

[KEN CRANE]

after some more long testing and discussions with the mts and the factory.


Speed 05 chopping issues.


1. You do not need to stretch the springs on the detents.

2. The rams are all set at the factory; they do not need to adjust them when they get them.

3. In cold weather paintballs become more brittle, people will be more prone to loader breaks, barrel breaks and balls breaking in the feed tube due to the force of the loader. Little known fact winter formulation paint was invented by WDP due to problems they had on their field during the colder winter months when they had their Forest paintballs made by Pharmagel in France. Wdp used to introduce the change in formulation at the end of September, all their paint from September till March was made as winter formulation.

4. If you run with a halo you will need to make sure the loader works as it should and is not over driving the paint and crushing the paint that is waiting to be fed in. we would recommend that you empty out the loader, turn it on and then use a sharpie marker and push it up the feed tube to simulate blocking the eyes, if the loader continues to carry on spinning for any time after the eyes are blocked this can break or damage the paint waiting to be fired. Also the halo boards have a little known torque(sensitivity) setting at the top of the board. A slight reduction in torque(sensitivity) will help also.

5. Sound activated Halos ,these things will pulverize fragile paint, they have no sensor to tell them when to stop driving once a ball has been loaded, they simply hear a bang and spin, the duration of the spin and therefore how long the ball is driven for has no real control so therefore they will crush the paint in the feed stack.

People constantly refer to chopping; well let’s break it down for you. Balls break in 3 places, 1 down the barrel, 2 just in front of the bolt, 3 the bolt actually cuts the ball in half.
In our opinion only 1 of these is chopping. If the gun has eyes it will not begin to cycle until the eyes are blocked and a set amount of time has passed (normally referred to as ball in place delay time) this makes it very hard for a gun with eyes to actually chop, not impossible but very hard.
A ball that breaks down the barrel is caused by a poor paint to barrel match, or poor quality paintballs that suffer from weak spots, and or weak seams, changing the brand of paint or finding a better paint to barrel match will correct this kind of ball breakage for the user.
The balls that break just in front of the bolt are caused by any of the following, super fragile paint that simply cant take the force of the gas blast used to fire the ball, or take the initial impact of the bolt, if the paint is OK it is possible that the LPR pressure is super high (over 100psi) and this pressure pushes the bolt forwards with an impact force that is able to break the paintball, lowering the LPR to its correct pressure will fix this(aprox 65-70 lbs). If the loader is breaking the paint in the feed stack due to the paint being too fragile or the loader malfunctioning and over driving the balls causing them to break or crack, or in some cases the loader is able to over drive just enough weaken the ball just enough so that the ball breaks under the impact of the gas blast or the bolt.

Guys, we are determined to help you with this but remember this is a fly in sheep’s clothing. Nothing is different in the mechanism of the gun except the LCD display and the trigger. We do not have any issues of this kind with the fly nor should we on the 05.

[speedkills]

ken your my hero

[Trigga Nometry]

This has to be stickied! That is some great information.

[maxout]

Ken -

While these are good tips, I have to disagree a bit.

I used my Speed 05 for the first time this past weekend and still don't have it working correctly. The ram was a full 360 degrees away from clicking on breech open. And even now that it clicks I still get a 2 or 3mm gap between that and the detents (is that correct?) Also, the 2nd stage was faulty and had to be resealed.

You can say paint is the problem, but I shot over 500 of Draxxus white box, Evil, and Marbelizer trying to make sure it isn't the problem.

I spoke with a local store owner, and he said that WDP initial quality is nowhere near what it used to be. I'm a newb to these guns so I don't have a frame of reference, but they've been open something like 10 years so they at least have greater insight than mine.

I'm confident I'll get my gun to work, but it really is discouraging to not have it work out of the box - and by reading this forum it appears that more people have problems than don't.

When you by an Alienware computer, you expect that you can play games right away. It doesn't randomly crash, leaving you to ferret out that its a driver problem (and good luck fixing it). When you buy a Ferrari, you don't expect that one of the spark plugs was inserted incorrectly so the engine doesn't run so well. Heck, even Tipmann claims they shoot at least 20 balls through every gun that comes off the line. If that had happened with my Speed, the air leak would have been fixed, the ram adjusted correctly, and the trigger set.

And of course I still have the problem with the gun turning off in the middle of games. And no, I haven't touched the trigger since I pulled it out of the box.

I'm very thankful for this web site that allowed me to read about how to solve the issues I've been having. It'd be great if someone made a FAQ/sticky that addressed the common problems and gave detailed fixes.

On a different note, I thought the POT on the Halo was for the sensitivity for the ball detector, not feeder power.

[KEN CRANE]

Ken -

While these are good tips, I have to disagree a bit.

I used my Speed 05 for the first time this past weekend and still don't have it working correctly. The ram was a full 360 degrees away from clicking on breech open. And even now that it clicks I still get a 2 or 3mm gap between that and the detents (is that correct?) Also, the 2nd stage was faulty and had to be resealed.

You can say paint is the problem, but I shot over 500 of Draxxus white box, Evil, and Marbelizer trying to make sure it isn't the problem.

I spoke with a local store owner, and he said that WDP initial quality is nowhere near what it used to be. I'm a newb to these guns so I don't have a frame of reference, but they've been open something like 10 years so they at least have greater insight than mine.

I'm confident I'll get my gun to work, but it really is discouraging to not have it work out of the box - and by reading this forum it appears that more people have problems than don't.

When you by an Alienware computer, you expect that you can play games right away. It doesn't randomly crash, leaving you to ferret out that its a driver problem (and good luck fixing it). When you buy a Ferrari, you don't expect that one of the spark plugs was inserted incorrectly so the engine doesn't run so well. Heck, even Tipmann claims they shoot at least 20 balls through every gun that comes off the line. If that had happened with my Speed, the air leak would have been fixed, the ram adjusted correctly, and the trigger set.

And of course I still have the problem with the gun turning off in the middle of games. And no, I haven't touched the trigger since I pulled it out of the box.

I'm very thankful for this web site that allowed me to read about how to solve the issues I've been having. It'd be great if someone made a FAQ/sticky that addressed the common problems and gave detailed fixes.

On a different note, I thought the POT on the Halo was for the sensitivity for the ball detector, not feeder power.

i corrected the post as you are correct.i used the wrong terms. i have spent quite a bit of time on the phone with jed at halo who is their main tech.jed has given us some suggestions on sensitivity of the halo. on the pot or adjustment screw on your halo board located on the top,turn the adjustment counter clockwise. it should be set at the 9 oclock position. slowly move the adjustment counter clockwise and see if this will help.the easiest way to do this is to leave the halo back plate off until your happy.NEVER NEVER NEVER GO PAST THE 11:30 POINT.YOU WILL RUIN YOUR BOARD. you will find happyness between 8 and 9 oclock on the board.they come set at 9.

i wont take the comments personaly about quality but i will strongly disagree with the dealers comments. sometimes i seem like i run to the companys defense and seem bias. i for a fact have seen the testing that every gun goes thru before it leaves the factory.if anything the quality has improved. beleive me when i tell you the angel force guys were their toughest customer when it came to quaility. every gun or air has a build sheet that says who,when,and what time the gun was tested as well as the position where it was on the line when tested.after this is all done the final thing is to shoot paint thru EVERY gun made. as well say lprs, after the lprs are made they are individualy tested for proper operation before they are put into the production bins. ok lets say rams, each ram is put into a jig and fired to make sure it works as designed this goes for every part made.ok lets go to the shutting off issue. i have spoken with 10 people that say their gun is shutting off.we have given them all the ideas we can to try and find the problem.i offered to pay shipping both ways as we cannot duplicate the problem so we want them badly.guess what ?as of today noone has send me or any of the other techs. their guns.we cant even begin to find this issue unless we can see the guns. my rant is over until later.

oh on 1 other note wdp runs 40 balls thru each gun when testing them.

[headiebean]

more people have problems than not? well, i think that is just that people who have problems, post about them and try to get solutions.

if every happy customer posted about their satisfaction, this site would probably crash from volume. lol.

but for the sake of argument......

EVERYONE POST IF YOU ARE HAPPY AND PROBLEM FREE WITH YOUR ANGEL

J/K

[headiebean]

i am happy and problem free

[maxout]

LOL. Fair enough point.

[Trigga Nometry]

EVERYONE POST IF YOU ARE HAPPY AND PROBLEM FREE WITH YOUR ANGEL

J/KMy 05 had NO click when I opened the breech block. That was what it was like out of the block. I did have a chopping problem using a Halo B. I brought it to Ken where he checked out the Halo B and it was fine, he also re-adjusted the ram for me because I tried to adjust it myself but did it the wrong way.

I no longer have a chopping problem.

[speedkills]

no problems with my 05 and a halo b

[Snowfire]

Ya, I definately have to say my speed has NO problems, and for people to say WDP has bad quality is silly. They make the best built guns, IMP. I mean, my old bushmaster was made very well, and every day when I look at my speed I almost faint, I mean its an amazing piece of machinery. And even if you do have a problem when you first get one, from what I have seen all of the friendly MTs are here to help out, and they will do more than enough toget it working again.

[speedkills]

if your worried about wdp's quality control just buy a timmy
i hear there very reliable guns :lol:

[davew]

if your worried about wdp's quality control just buy a timmy
i hear there very reliable guns :lol:
LOL
before i went and got an angel ( thank GOD) I actually called over bob longs shop
just to inquire about the markers they do sell
( as being out of pb for a few years i wanted to hear something from them as all my friends were telling me to get a timmy) well I called and asked how their markers were
the person that answered did not seem to know much other then the barbs break a lot
then need a lot of o rings and the eyes short out
i quickly hung up
called a local shop asked more questons and they recomended an angel they also work on angels there
I made a visit and i had to have one :)


I have to say everyone here is devoted and you don't see the 3rd grade actions here you actually GET help and answers !!

And the MT's do not get enough credit for their hard work and tips and tricks and endless hours they put in for us all
all


Yes I had a chopping issue, I read the manual and asked a few questions and I had the answer

I then adjusted the ram a tad and just got done shooting 500 paintballs that were all mixed, dimpled, all colors, and brands
( these were left overs my kid picked up on the indoor field 3 weeks ago) and guess what ?

NOT one break in 500

Thanks to all and many thanks to all the Mt's as well
I am sure i may have other marker issues but I find looking here and reading as much as i can will keep my marker in great running condition

[chirogator]

Once tuned, I love my 05 speed.

Previous guns: Tippmann 98 custom, then A-5, then e-mag (then supe'd up to karta emag/x-mag) then the Angel.

I will say it is the best. After speaking with local techs at a shop it was down to an angel or a timmy. While both are exceptional guns, when it came down to reliability, as well as CUSTOMER service, I was steered to the Angel. Glad I did.

By the way, Ken Crane, do you check your PM's?

[speedkills]

I will say it is the best. After speaking with local techs at a shop it was down to an angel or a timmy. While both are exceptional guns, when it came down to reliability, as well as CUSTOMER service, I was steered to the Angel. Glad I did.

nuff said angels mow faces

[ORRACLE GANGSTA]

when I first opened the box and saw my black dust 45 frame 05 speed. I silently said to myself, OH GOD THANKYOU!. I did not even touch it for like a minute. I just stared at it. I felt like I was 7 years old again on xmas day. What a great feeling. The trigger felt good. I scimmed through the manual and set my dwell up to 10 and my hopper setting at 3. I loaded up my halo ( which functions perfectly) shot shot shot chop chop shot shot shot chop shot chop. I instantly got a huge cramp in my stomach and said OHHHH NOOOO. I immediatly jumped on the forums in search of answers. Turns out that the ram issue was very popular. So I adjust my ram to the ever so popular click where there is a big amount of resistance when opening the breech door. THe bolt pin clicks on the back part of the groove in the ram. I then dry fired about 3000 times for reg break in. Then I loaded up my hopper again. It was so fast and so clean. I then shortened the pull but made sure it does not bounce. Loaded up my hopper again and then magic happened. I almost cryed. Then a very evil grin was left of my face. This gun is so fast that I think I might accidently hurt someone with it.

Thanks ken for the work and the engineers at WDP for creating such a magnificent trigger design. I know feel confindent in the fact that I have a weapon of pure chaos, evil, and complete domination.

Chris in San Diego

[KEN CRANE]

Once tuned, I love my 05 speed.

Previous guns: Tippmann 98 custom, then A-5, then e-mag (then supe'd up to karta emag/x-mag) then the Angel.

I will say it is the best. After speaking with local techs at a shop it was down to an angel or a timmy. While both are exceptional guns, when it came down to reliability, as well as CUSTOMER service, I was steered to the Angel. Glad I did.

By the way, Ken Crane, do you check your PM's?

yes i do, i get about 30 or so a day it takes me a while to get thru them so i usely do it at night. did i miss one you sent ? lol heres my login screen from nov 1 to today, sometimes i look at them and forget to go back and answer them all. my bad .

Welcome, KEN CRANE..
You last visited: Today at 09:27 PM
Private Messages: 89, Total 672.

here is the last one i sent to you on 11/22
05 Speed Lube / Maintenance

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hey Ken,

Where should you put the oil?

Where does the Extreme grease go?

I have both, but don't know where each should go...How Often...

Thanks in advance for the help!


Joe
__________________

a few drops in the asa where your bottle screws in
the grease goes on the ram orings and any other non moving oring to keep them from sticking.

[Angel05]

I am happy and problem free after trigger adjustment, only bad -back plate from top of solenoid is 2mm high on left side when right is flat with body.
??Ken is there a way to exchange top plate to proper miled one ?? Can post a pic if needed

[chirogator]

Thanks ken! Figured you were busy with lots of em', sent you 3 with no answer till now. Better late than never. MT's rock!

This might be a dumb Q, but what other "non moving O-rings" are you referring to?

Thanks.

[f2f4]

The rams are all set at the factory; they do not need to adjust them when they get them. That's the only part I don't completely agree with.
Other than that, GREAT job!

Oh, and you can rest assured, if my '05 ever has these problems, I will take advantage of that free 2-way shipping offer. :D

[KEN CRANE]

Thanks ken! Figured you were busy with lots of em', sent you 3 with no answer till now. Better late than never. MT's rock!

This might be a dumb Q, but what other "non moving O-rings" are you referring to?

Thanks. ram orings ,lpr piston oring,crack pipe orings mini reg piston and sealing ring.anything that seals but doesnt move. this keeps the rubber from sticking to the metal.

[TrashDoG]

I was also wondering abotu the lube.

Im assuming the greasegoes on the bolt very lightly, as thats where i put it and it works good, but what's the lube that comes in the box for?? I havent seen a use for it in the manual or anything, every tiem the manual mentions something its about the grease (which I had to get seperatly)

[davew]

I was also wondering abotu the lube.

Im assuming the greasegoes on the bolt very lightly, as thats where i put it and it works good, but what's the lube that comes in the box for?? I havent seen a use for it in the manual or anything, every tiem the manual mentions something its about the grease (which I had to get seperatly)

the oil is for your asa adapter a few drops where your air tank goes into

grease if for o rings

bolt?
its not needed to be greased at all
its derilin

[aLLkILLERnOfILLER]

I'm having no problems now that I've got my Halo. I was running a reloader, but the Halo does much better.

[winter001]

I was also wondering abotu the lube.

Im assuming the greasegoes on the bolt very lightly, as thats where i put it and it works good, but what's the lube that comes in the box for?? I havent seen a use for it in the manual or anything, every tiem the manual mentions something its about the grease (which I had to get seperatly)


You really shouldn't grease the bolt, since it is delrin it will absorb grease and oils and can swell. In fact it tells you not to grease or oil the bolt. The oil that comes with the gun is for putting a few drops into the bottom of the mini-reg, just to keep the gun oiled every 8,000 shots or so. You only need to lube every 20,000 or so.

-Chris

[chirogator]

Thanks Ken.

[TrashDoG]

Odd, my gun came with grease already on the bolt whe i first opened it

[Trigga Nometry]

So what's the REAL story on Love Juice (oil) in the ASA. I read somewhere else that oil in the ASA can gum up the minireg.

I guess I will follow the MT and put some oil in there anyway every 8,000 shots or so.

[Rover-rich]

Hey Ken, just wondering what effect cold weather has on the ram setting? I seem to find that out in the cold, my speed loose it's "click". Inside, good solid click.

I wonder if people with chopping issues (including me) have them in colder weather?

I did reset my ram which was not clicking at all out of the box; and set it to a firm click indoors. After shooting outside (30deg F) no click and one chop/break. This is much better than a week ago before I reset the ram.

SOOOOO, what do you think Ken?

[JesusM.D.]

I do believe that any marker would chop paint in 30 degree weather. The paint just becomes like glass. Also, I live in pittsburgh, and know how you feel. Burrrrr.
Ice, snow, freezing rain, all bad for paintball.

[Rover-rich]

I'm playing Sunday and the temp is suppost to go up to 50F--- a veritable heat wave!!!

[TrashDoG]

Polar Ice, try it. It works wonders. I too was breaking paint like glass cus of the cold, shot a case of polar ice with 0 ball breaks

[speedkills]

polar ice huh?
and the crowd goes boo!

[CIrrob]

i corrected the post as you are correct.i used the wrong terms. i have spent quite a bit of time on the phone with jed at halo who is their main tech.jed has given us some suggestions on sensitivity of the halo. on the pot or adjustment screw on your halo board located on the top,turn the adjustment counter clockwise. it should be set at the 9 oclock position. slowly move the adjustment counter clockwise and see if this will help.the easiest way to do this is to leave the halo back plate off until your happy.NEVER NEVER NEVER GO PAST THE 11:30 POINT.YOU WILL RUIN YOUR BOARD. you will find happyness between 8 and 9 oclock on the board.they come set at 9.

i wont take the comments personaly about quality but i will strongly disagree with the dealers comments. sometimes i seem like i run to the companys defense and seem bias. i for a fact have seen the testing that every gun goes thru before it leaves the factory.if anything the quality has improved. beleive me when i tell you the angel force guys were their toughest customer when it came to quaility. every gun or air has a build sheet that says who,when,and what time the gun was tested as well as the position where it was on the line when tested.after this is all done the final thing is to shoot paint thru EVERY gun made. as well say lprs, after the lprs are made they are individualy tested for proper operation before they are put into the production bins. ok lets say rams, each ram is put into a jig and fired to make sure it works as designed this goes for every part made.ok lets go to the shutting off issue. i have spoken with 10 people that say their gun is shutting off.we have given them all the ideas we can to try and find the problem.i offered to pay shipping both ways as we cannot duplicate the problem so we want them badly.guess what ?as of today noone has send me or any of the other techs. their guns.we cant even begin to find this issue unless we can see the guns. my rant is over until later.

oh on 1 other note wdp runs 40 balls thru each gun when testing them.

Ken, My 05 and Halo b should arrive on tuesday - certified mail. As we discussed, it shows all the affore mentioned symptoms. I hope it helps you track down these issues and work out an easy fix for those of us experiencing these problems (chopping and shutting off).

I also hope for a quick return :) I am already going through withdrawls as I sit here on an angel website instead of shooting people with my angel this weekend :(

[ZoomZoom]

thank god i have my angel 4 for back up

[TrashDoG]

polar ice huh?
and the crowd goes boo!

It's awsome winter paint, marbs suck in the winter as well as any other paint I tried.

[Neo]

hey ken, im also wondering about that guess about what makes that click go away - cold weather. so what do you think?

[esandov]

Angel 4 Life! Period.

You purchase a piece of heaven everytime you buy one of these.

Ken and to all the MT...BIG UPS!

This is a personal thank you for all your work and effort.

05 Speed rrrriiippppss....enough to get a couple of astonished faces on the sidelines.

[Vuuduu]

Before adjusting the ram and the trigger as specified by Ken, I had some occasional chops and many shut downs during games.

I adjusted the trigger and the ram as advised.

I just came back from www.thefreefinale.com and shot about 2.5 cases thru the 05. (my first full scenario with the 05)No chops and no shut downs. There were more firefights and quick action skirmishes than I have ever seen in a scenario. Over 750 ballerz attended.

The Angel 05 speed helped me to achieve a ~15:1 kill ratio(mostly due to a sneak suicide attack by me and one other teammate on about 35-40 opfors...facing the other way!) My best previous was ~10:1.

The angel kept a smile on my face.

KEN---do I NEED the lazer eyes? I want them...

[davew]

after some more long testing and discussions with the mts and the factory.


Speed 05 chopping issues.





1. You do not need to stretch the springs on the detents.

2. The rams are all set at the factory; they do not need to adjust them when they get them.

3. In cold weather paintballs become more brittle, people will be more prone to loader breaks, barrel breaks and balls breaking in the feed tube due to the force of the loader. Little known fact winter formulation paint was invented by WDP due to problems they had on their field during the colder winter months when they had their Forest paintballs made by Pharmagel in France. Wdp used to introduce the change in formulation at the end of September, all their paint from September till March was made as winter formulation.

4. If you run with a halo you will need to make sure the loader works as it should and is not over driving the paint and crushing the paint that is waiting to be fed in. we would recommend that you empty out the loader, turn it on and then use a sharpie marker and push it up the feed tube to simulate blocking the eyes, if the loader continues to carry on spinning for any time after the eyes are blocked this can break or damage the paint waiting to be fired. Also the halo boards have a little known torque(sensitivity) setting at the top of the board. A slight reduction in torque(sensitivity) will help also.

5. Sound activated Halos ,these things will pulverize fragile paint, they have no sensor to tell them when to stop driving once a ball has been loaded, they simply hear a bang and spin, the duration of the spin and therefore how long the ball is driven for has no real control so therefore they will crush the paint in the feed stack.

People constantly refer to chopping; well let’s break it down for you. Balls break in 3 places, 1 down the barrel, 2 just in front of the bolt, 3 the bolt actually cuts the ball in half.
In our opinion only 1 of these is chopping. If the gun has eyes it will not begin to cycle until the eyes are blocked and a set amount of time has passed (normally referred to as ball in place delay time) this makes it very hard for a gun with eyes to actually chop, not impossible but very hard.
A ball that breaks down the barrel is caused by a poor paint to barrel match, or poor quality paintballs that suffer from weak spots, and or weak seams, changing the brand of paint or finding a better paint to barrel match will correct this kind of ball breakage for the user.
The balls that break just in front of the bolt are caused by any of the following, super fragile paint that simply cant take the force of the gas blast used to fire the ball, or take the initial impact of the bolt, if the paint is OK it is possible that the LPR pressure is super high (over 100psi) and this pressure pushes the bolt forwards with an impact force that is able to break the paintball, lowering the LPR to its correct pressure will fix this(aprox 65-70 lbs). If the loader is breaking the paint in the feed stack due to the paint being too fragile or the loader malfunctioning and over driving the balls causing them to break or crack, or in some cases the loader is able to over drive just enough weaken the ball just enough so that the ball breaks under the impact of the gas blast or the bolt.

Guys, we are determined to help you with this but remember this is a fly in sheep’s clothing. Nothing is different in the mechanism of the gun except the LCD display and the trigger. We do not have any issues of this kind with the fly nor should we on the 05.


Ken, has anything been looked into about recharge of the reg?
i was reading elsewhere about this may be an issue for chopping?
seems 05's loose the fast recharge

inline was dropping off in pressure...which would be the #1 cause for the 05 speed choppage issue??

can this be conformed?

[Trigga Nometry]

davew - Ken killed that rumor and misunderstanding a few days ago. See his post HERE (http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=27624&page=9&pp=15&highlight=PGI) for what he had to say about it. The recharge rate had to do with what someone thought the LPR and/or minireg was doing.

There is nothing wrong with the LPRs of miniregs in the 05's. They were just being used in conditions that they were not designed for. His post explains it much better. Check it out.

[davew]

davew - Ken killed that rumor and misunderstanding a few days ago. See his post HERE (http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=27624&page=9&pp=15&highlight=PGI) for what he had to say about it. The recharge rate had to do with what someone thought the LPR and/or minireg was doing.

There is nothing wrong with the LPRs of miniregs in the 05's. They were just being used in conditions that they were not designed for. His post explains it much better. Check it out.


Thank you my appoligies

[aLLkILLERnOfILLER]

Before adjusting the ram and the trigger as specified by Ken, I had some occasional chops and many shut downs during games.

I adjusted the trigger and the ram as advised.

I just came back from www.thefreefinale.com and shot about 2.5 cases thru the 05. (my first full scenario with the 05)No chops and no shut downs. There were more firefights and quick action skirmishes than I have ever seen in a scenario. Over 750 ballerz attended.

The Angel 05 speed helped me to achieve a ~15:1 kill ratio(mostly due to a sneak suicide attack by me and one other teammate on about 35-40 opfors...facing the other way!) My best previous was ~10:1.

The angel kept a smile on my face.

KEN---do I NEED the lazer eyes? I want them...

I'm not ken, but I think you just answered your question. You WANT them. 50 bucks is a cheap upgrade IMO. And the bling factor is huge. Hopefully the USPS has mine on the way.

[TrashDoG]

Plus Ken already said you dont NEED the eyes. But hey if you got $50 burning a hole in your pocket (I dont, cus I need $50 for paint) then the eyes sound cool. Now when people say their guns shoot lasers... you will actually have a laser oOoooo.

[KEN CRANE]

Plus Ken already said you dont NEED the eyes. But hey if you got $50 burning a hole in your pocket (I dont, cus I need $50 for paint) then the eyes sound cool. Now when people say their guns shoot lasers... you will actually have a laser oOoooo.

what will be the best part of the new eyes is that you can visably see that they are on. as well the spectrum the light is using will allow you to see if your fouled.

[KEN CRANE]

without any extra info please, a few of you are saying your 05 is shutting off. please without adding a quote explain exactly what is happening and anything that leads the gun to shut off.

[CIrrob]

without any extra info please, a few of you are saying your 05 is shutting off. please without adding a quote explain exactly what is happening and anything that leads the gun to shut off.

I know we discussed it by phone, but as I said:

Once I have stopped firering the weapon for any length of time, the gun simple stops responding to trigger pulls. The lights indicate a ball in chamber, and my air is always above 1500.

The last time I played, and when I finally gave up and decided to ship the weapon to you, I did an initial rush, leaned on a bunker and sited a target. When I went to pull the trigger nothing happened. I turned off the weapon, and turned it back on. Wiated for the indicator lights to cycle through its "Boot-up" process and fired one round into the dirt near my feet to ensure it worked. Then sighted another target, drew aim and pulled the trigger. Again nothing. The time from the shot in the dirt, and the second trigger pull was about 5-7 seconds. Again, I repeated the process, however this time, in order to particpate in someway with the current game (other than killing the dirt), I kept on cycling rounds as I drew the weapon over the bunker to shoot at my previous target. It is only after I continue to shoot that the weapon functions semi normally.

The above scenario has been semi consistent. Happening almost like clockwork at the beginning of each game. However, there are a few times each day that the gun trigger pull fires a round normally... but then there is the chopping :pat:

In anycase, my Angel 05 speed should have arrived yesterday along with the Halo you asked me to send with it. Have you had a chance to look into it?

PS: I accidently sent my cellphone charger, and PDA charger in the Halo box with the Halo (ran out of hands). When you ship it back, could you include those as well :smiley:

[TrashDoG]

please without adding a quote explain exactly what is happening and anything that leads the gun to shut off.

UGH! Every time I flip the switch on the back to the right, my gun shuts off.. Is this normal?




Ok fine not funnny but I tried. :biggthump

[KEN CRANE]

ok guys were working hard here and need you to try something and report back.

reset your trigger so it has the pull you like but add forward play and re try this.add the extra play even if you dont like the feel so we can do this test. the biggest trouble with this is that its really hard to catch. i have now seen it happen 2 times in 2 cases of paint. and its way too hard to catch so i ask those of u that this has happent to please help out and let me/us know

[maxout]

I can describe how I (think I) fixed it...

I reset the pull to the maximum length pull. I moved the toe up to the front of the pull, then moved the back end of the pull up to the front. My total pull is something like 2 or 3mm, with the toe at the beginning. No shutdowns after 2 cases.

My first day of playing it shut down at least a dozen times with a MUCH longer pull with the toe in the middle.

[Rover-rich]

Hey Ken, just tried the trigger readjustment. Seems to me that my adding trigger play up front, you allow the switch to "reset". Things seem better to me now, but hey that is dry firing in my house. I'll try it this weekend and see if it make a difference.

Am I right in thinking that the problem with the shut down is that the opto switch is thinking that the trigger is still "pulled" and therefore the marker wont recycle?

[TrashDoG]

Hey Ken, just tried the trigger readjustment. Seems to me that my adding trigger play up front, you allow the switch to "reset". Things seem better to me now, but hey that is dry firing in my house. I'll try it this weekend and see if it make a difference.

Am I right in thinking that the problem with the shut down is that the opto switch is thinking that the trigger is still "pulled" and therefore the marker wont recycle?

mine did that, loosen the screws that are in between the wheels. I leave those screws loose, without any problems, and it also makes the trigger a little lighter too.

The way my trigger is setup and works perfect and fast as hell:

pull is fairly long, but it shoots RIGHT when you tap the trigger, i mean basically hairline, but there's tons of extra pull after.

the tightening screws in between the wheels are loose, the one on the right side is in almost all the way, and on the left is very loose.

No problems whatsoever, shoots awsome and fast, no bounce, but it does do that thing where if you shoot fast it takes 4 or 5 shots extra at the end.

[Wing Nut]

No problems whatsoever, shoots awsome and fast, no bounce, but it does do that thing where if you shoot fast it takes 4 or 5 shots extra at the end.

That'll be the bounce............ :nono:

Tournament ILLEGAL.

[black flag]

Ken - you should receive my 05 Speed on Monday to test the lock up issue. I also want the new eyes installed. Feel free to keep it as long as it takes to fix it - I have backups. I just need the gun to work so I don't have to worry about it on the field.

thanks - Eric