Ram Questions

[speedkills]

Is it possible for the ram to adjust itself?
i took my 05 speed out yesterday, and when i opened the breech the usual click was gone. whats up.

[Okto]

I guess it could happen just from being used... all that movement could displace it a little I guess.

[davew]

Mine is new as of last nght
and I get no click?

shoots like a dream
and almost every hopper i get a load of SOUP ozzzing out the barrel
makes the freak look trick....
Ive tried
Halo B and a egg with the fancy board in it

guess ill have to read more about a new loader...

[bunkerking8073]

Re-set the ram and see if that helps.

[davew]

Re-set the ram and see if that helps.
what do i reset it to?
i am new to angles

[bunkerking8073]

Check the manual that came with it.

[davew]

ok page 17 found it
but.
lookie page 21
it seems to have 0 effect in troubleshooting on the paint breaking issue
seems the ram adjustment in their theory
is for
velocity issues
( again page 21)

[bunkerking8073]

Oh, I'm sorry dave, i was talking in my first post to the starter of the thread.

[tgaffner]

After awhile the Ram may turn itself out alittle bit.

[Trigga Nometry]

I had the same issue when I first got mine. Every now and then it would chop. I didn't even realize that you were supposed to feel/hear a lick when you open the breech block. I adjusted it (the right way) and now I do not have a problem at all.

You can over adjust it. If you go over the "click", you have to back the ram out again and start over until you feel the click. The book sucks on actually how to do it, at I thought it sucks. Anyway, Ken Crane showed me the right way how to adjust it. Works perfectly now.

[Rover-rich]

Hey trigga, just curious why you have to adjust it from the clockwise direction only? Did Ken Crane explain why? The manual does emphasize this point and I plan on doing it exactly that way, just wondering why?

[Trigga Nometry]

Well from what I gather, you can over adjust the ram and make it "too forward". If you look into where the bolt goes into the ram (the pin) you'll see that there is a kinda wide opening. You want the pin cliking on the front of the grove (closest to the barrel). At least that is what I get out of it. If you go in too far, it'll be clicking on the back end of the groove or slot. When it is aligned correctly, it will allow only one ball in the breech and not one ball plus a part of another and cause a chop.

If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

[Rover-rich]

Hmm, I wonder if mine is hitting the back of the groove. If this is the case (ie: hitting the back of the groove), will the bolt be too far forward to close the breech or something like that?

[Rover-rich]

just checked, there is very little play in the groove, the fit is with in a few thous of an inch, so I guess the point is moot as to whether it is hitting the front or back of the ram groove. I'm going to let her rip in the am and if not better, I'm going to adjust the ram to the point where I can just barely close the breech. More to follow.......

[winter001]

Davew: definatly adjust the ram till you get the click, whats probably happening is that the ball is rolling back into the breach and the ball above it is partially feeding. Its the partially fed ball that is being chopped when the loaded ball fires.

-Chris

[davew]

Davew: definatly adjust the ram till you get the click, whats probably happening is that the ball is rolling back into the breach and the ball above it is partially feeding. Its the partially fed ball that is being chopped when the loaded ball fires.

-Chris

ok the ram has a slit
as stated by another above.. the book does not explain where the bolt pin should touch?
is it supposed to hit the slot in the front or back?

so u have a pin

+
and you have a gap

(___)----- < BARREL END HERE

( trying to get this as best as i can)

Does the + ( pin from the bolt) catch the end of the slot closest to the barrel or farthest back towards the rear of the marker?


(+___)----- Barrel


OR

(___+)---- Barrel

this would be a huge help to all

[thog94]

The bolt pin need to rest on the groove in the back, away from the barrel.

[Rover-rich]

Hey Davew, there is little play, at least in mine so the point is moot. I just adjusted mine this weekend to a "firm" click. I now feel resistance when closing then a little more push and "click" all set. RIPPING NOW>>>>>>>>>>>

[davew]

Hey Davew, there is little play, at least in mine so the point is moot. I just adjusted mine this weekend to a "firm" click. I now feel resistance when closing then a little more push and "click" all set. RIPPING NOW>>>>>>>>>>>
I will adjust mine tonight
I also found a post by Ken explaining how to do it as well
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part 3 adjusting your ram

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ok let me start by saying i dont call this adjusting the ram stroke.to me were adjusting the hammer.ok for starters you will need the tool from your angel tool kit.(its the one with the 2 metal points ok ok the 2 tits.)remove the breach rod knob.then remove the 2 screws holding the back plate.carfully pull some slack on the wire harness and let it hang.open the breach and oops!i forgot to say de-gas the gun.go back and do that first.ok lets go back and open the breach.start turning the ram clockwise a tiny bit at a time and close the breach.what you want to have happen is the pin in the bolt to click into the brass hammer.now in saying this it could click if its too far to the rear as well so keep this in mind.the reason for keeping this adjustment correct is 2 fold.first is to allow the ball to rest in the cup of the bolt and not to let the bolt slam the ball befor it leaves the breach.this will help in ball breakage or balls "blowing up"in the breach.and secondly it will keep the ram from chipping and leaving brass shavings in the ram area.hope this helps.

also i am going to remove the stickys as soon as i can get matt to give me a technical heading under the led,lcd,ir3 section

So Ken it should "click" against the front part of the hammer?


NO THE REAR OF THE HAMMER

thread is here

http://www.angelowners.com/showthread.php?t=4846

[ORRACLE GANGSTA]

Well from what I gather, you can over adjust the ram and make it "too forward". If you look into where the bolt goes into the ram (the pin) you'll see that there is a kinda wide opening. You want the pin cliking on the front of the grove (closest to the barrel). At least that is what I get out of it. If you go in too far, it'll be clicking on the back end of the groove or slot. When it is aligned correctly, it will allow only one ball in the breech and not one ball plus a part of another and cause a chop.

If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

If you are allowing the bolt pin to just barley tap the front groove of the ram, then you are setting your bolt too far back and allowing a ball to roll in the chamber with a ball is fed into the chamber. By having it set up this way, then that will allow the following ball to be partially fed into the chamber as well causing a chop.

So what I did was adjust the ram while the breech door was closed. I would slowly turn the ram clockwise then open the door. When I got the most resistance without the breech door locking up, I knew I had it set right :clap: Then I loaded up my halo b and ripped on the trigger. I got one break. BUT IT WAS A BARREL BREAK :smile:.

By not having the ball roll back as least as possible you are not letting the bolt smash into the ball or let the following ball be partially fed.

I hope this helps

Chris in San Diego.

PS.... I WAS THE ONE TO FIRST REPORT ON PB NATION ABOUT THE NEW G7 GUN. IF YOU LOOK IN THE G& THREAD YOU WILL SEE ITS ME :)

PSS...... I FEEL SO SPECIAL :patriot:

[headiebean]

what is this "ram click" you are talking about. mine has no click and it works awesome

[Trigga Nometry]

If you are allowing the bolt pin to just barley tap the front groove of the ram, then you are setting your bolt too far back and allowing a ball to roll in the chamber with a ball is fed into the chamber. By having it set up this way, then that will allow the following ball to be partially fed into the chamber as well causing a chop.

So what I did was adjust the ram while the breech door was closed. I would slowly turn the ram clockwise then open the door. When I got the most resistance without the breech door locking up, I knew I had it set right :clap: Then I loaded up my halo b and ripped on the trigger. I got one break. BUT IT WAS A BARREL BREAK :smile:.

By not having the ball roll back as least as possible you are not letting the bolt smash into the ball or let the following ball be partially fed.

I hope this helps

Chris in San Diego.

PS.... I WAS THE ONE TO FIRST REPORT ON PB NATION ABOUT THE NEW G7 GUN. IF YOU LOOK IN THE G& THREAD YOU WILL SEE ITS ME :)

PSS...... I FEEL SO SPECIAL :patriot:Thanks Chris.

You said what I was trying to say. You just said it so much better. Thanks!

[ORRACLE GANGSTA]

NO Trigga I did not post what you posted. In your post you stated you want to have the bolt pin clicking up against the front groove on the ram ( closest to the barrel) that is wrong. That causes a lot of ball movement in the breech. You want to have the bolt pin clicking up against the back groove of the ram. (closest to the end of the gun)

[f2f4]

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned this:

To stop the ram from backing out over time, stick a regular tank O-ring between the back of the ram (where you adjust it) and the back plate. The extra friction from the O-ring being there will keep the ram exactly where you set it.

Let me know if my explanation was clear...

[Trigga Nometry]

NO Trigga I did not post what you posted. In your post you stated you want to have the bolt pin clicking up against the front groove on the ram ( closest to the barrel) that is wrong. That causes a lot of ball movement in the breech. You want to have the bolt pin clicking up against the back groove of the ram. (closest to the end of the gun)Yes, I know. What I meant to say to you is "You said what I intended to say." My words came out completely wrong. You were right, I completely described it wrong.

Thanks for the correction.

[Snowfire]

ok, yall say you are supposed to here a click when you open the breach, right? Well, with mine, the ram stays back, and if it comes forward I have to push the bolt back. Is that when you are supposed to hear a click?

[winter001]

You are supposed to hear a solid click when opening and closing the breech

[ORRACLE GANGSTA]

Close the breech door with the bolt in the the gun. Move ram forward just a bit at a time. Everytime you ajust the ram forward try to open up your breech door. Adjust the ram forward until you have a very good amount of resistance whan trying to open the door. Make sure you dont overadjust it to where you are unable to open the door. If you do happen to over adjust you need to completly back out your ram, and start all over again. After completing this you will have your ram set correctly. And by the way just to let you know, the bolt pin should be clicking and getting resistence from the back part of the groove of the ram. The groove that is closest to the back of the gun.