G7 Angel Putting the 05 Speed down, IMO

[xxpaintballxx]

Here is A thread on pbreview:

"GENTLEMEN hold on to your jock straps! There is a brand new gun in town and let me say OH MY GOD!

1. Called the G7.

2. It has laser break beam eyes. This means no more extra light disturbing the current eye system (and causing the 05 Speed to shut down, and then having to be turned off then turned back on).

3.The G7 looks very similar to an 05 Speed but has a more sleek-looking body. The back end of the gun curves downward for a very sleek and fast looking aerodynamic look.

4. All new internals. The guy who says "it doesn't get any faster then that" from the Angel Speed videos on the WDP.TV website told me that the 05 Speed works on a 1/8 of a second delay. The new G7 works on a 1/16 delay. So in essence the gun is twice as fast. But in reality he said the gun cycles at 39bps. Wait... or was it 49bps? Crap, I can't remember!

5. Estimated to be released by Jan. or Feb. of 2005 at a price tag of around 1,500 bucks.

6. Same trigger frame as the Speed 05 but it has a huge LCD display in it.

7. Re-chargeable battery that is very efficient.

8. The new trigger frame with LCD and the new laser break beam eyes will be an upgrade for the Speed 05. The reason why the Speed 05 did not have the new version of the eyes was because they could not get the patent out fast enough.

9. The DM5 doesn't have a damn thing on this gun!



Chris in San Diego"

Then it has the pictures and blah blah blah. This thread is kind of putting the 05 Speed down, it says how things are better and it compares it to the 05 Speed making it sound bad. IMO.

If you're interested to see the pictures, they are here: http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=269558

[gx3man]

Well, in some ways it is better, but to me it doesn't seem to be nearly enough to justify a 600 dollar increase over the 05 speed. If what I'm hearing is true the 05 speeds are performing beautifully, what this offers is mainly more bells and whistles, kind of like the 03 speed vs. the A4. When I saw the information on the G7 and realized it wasn't that big of a jump it made me look forward to picking up an 05 speed that much more. Plus, I really hate that rechargeable battery.

[xxpaintballxx]

Another thought is that they shouldn't have even pre-released it since they just came out with the 05 Speeds not too long ago.

[Luke!™]

I agrree with gx3man, the G7 is like the luxury model of the 05. Sure it has small preformance upgrades but its mainly just a high end model. The 05 has a realatively low price tag, it is the affordable preformance machine. The G7 has a few upgrades and costs a lot more, the bragging rights model for those who have some extra cash to throw around.

[Bored]

i agree with all of you. :)

[ASU_BALLER]

not worth it i will stick with my speed 05

[shaq787]

where did u see this?

and what other sites have u seen it at

[Collier]

not worth it i will stick with my speed 05

Nice avatar......
THIEF! :samurai: ;) :D

[SlasherXII]

Hey if you got the money, go for it. As for me, if it's hot, then it's going to be in my hands as soon as it comes out! I wanna look at the board and hope they left the hopper slot there so I can hook up my iHalo! :puzzled: :x:

[ufcd98]

The new G7 internals will be available for purchase/installation into your speed05s. So you can keep the instant on/9v ease of use with the speed05 AND put in the newer valve/hammer/eyes. Frankly, i'd rather do that than be stuck with a rechargable battery, slower LCD on/off time, etc.
steve

[shaq787]

well depending on the cost the conversion looks nice

its prob just a new board battery grips and possibly an eye cover

[ZoomZoom]

the the newton kit is better

[Collier]

the the newton kit is better

Better eh?....

[gutshot]

One of the best things about the speed over others, like the fly and etc..;its simplistic, no frills, down to business shoot the balls quick attitude (yep, attitude).

[xxpaintballxx]

The pictures are in that link overthere up on the original post, down at the bottom. That thing has a big LCD screen and I'm not sure what that thing is on the front where the regulator is. I don't like the milling, it kind of ruins the look of the Angel. :pisss:

[speedkills]

i hate my 05 speed...i've had to buy so many more pods.

[shaq787]

that is a good thing, if you are not worried about the cost.

if you have noticed an increace in the "kills" you get per game it is well worth it.

u can't expect an angel to shoot slow, u wnat that get a timmy :evilgrin: or a tippy

i know im gonna get it for that comment but what can i say WDP PRIDE

[ZoomZoom]

the 05 speed is better for the money

[shaq787]

i can't diecide right now because i dont know what has been upgraded internaly, ram, valve and other mechanical workings of the g7

[speedkills]

i know that it's a good thing....sarcasm
g7 may be nice cuz i'll keep my speed

[andresfait]

I believe that it is impossible to be twice as fast, like the double this is blablablabla its youre fingers, when you have a gun of 1000 dollars and up its youre fingersss

[bos_2005]

Actually there are more upgrades than what you have stated. You know how halos sometimes cause chops on angels? Well with this model it pretty much eliminates chops becuase they moved the bolt forward to completly prevent roll back and chops all together. So i think it is a great improvment :tup:

[andresfait]

I have a MASTER TECH FORCE FORCE=NO CHOPS

[corrupt123]

so the speed had a 1/8th second delay?

so, in total it can have 8 delays per second, one delay per cycle...

so the 05 speed is thus rated at 8bps, and the G7 at 16? we seriously need some real numbers.

[shaq787]

from what ive heard it may have teh fly board in it with upgraded software.

[f2f4]

Haha... that was my thread you linked to...

[shaq787]

the milling is a nice change and the thing on the regulator seems to be a rubber grip

[Crazy4Paintball1]

I think that it is good that WDP is bringing out new guns....however I think they are bringing them out a bit too fast, and that they would be able to sell more if they would slow down...I mean the speed came out and then right away the A4 and then the Fly then the MT Fly and then the Speed 05 and now the G7...that is a lot of guns in a short amount of time...but I really can't complain they are the best guns in the world...

[FencerSMS]

UGLY is all i have to say - its like they tried to rip off some of the matrix millings, ugh - older angels have way nicer millings that thing... - just my opinion though

[canyouspellthis]

I like the milling, in the back must hvave some reduced weightage.

and i'd buy it if
a. it came out b4 christmas
b. it wasnt over $1200

[Hep]

I still think some people fail to realize that the G7 is WDPs flagship model where as the 05 Speed is the entry level (if you can call it that) marker. Like most car manufacturers have a mid sized sedan thats nice but they still got a faster, nicer Sport Car model. People need to stop comparing apples to oranges. Even though the Speed is fast the newer G7 is faster and has more options just like a more expensive car does. Look at it that way and you can understand their platform.

[52brandon]

I still think some people fail to realize that the G7 is WDPs flagship model where as the 05 Speed is the entry level (if you can call it that) marker. Like most car manufacturers have a mid sized sedan thats nice but they still got a faster, nicer Sport Car model. People need to stop comparing apples to oranges. Even though the Speed is fast the newer G7 is faster and has more options just like a more expensive car does. Look at it that way and you can understand their platform.
well put

[headiebean]

personally, i like the look of the 05 speed myself. i think my main plan is to put some of the G7 internals in my 05. b/c i like my 05's body style more.

lets face it, the 05 speed's performance is there. i dont know how it can get better.

besides, do any of you really like the G7 body? i think it is kinda ugly, coming from something as smooth and sleek as the 05. just my opinion...

[wipersmustdie]

05 speed= sexy
g7 = fugly
i don't know performance-wise, but as for milling ewww.

[Vinny3299]

1500 bucks for just another angel.. you can say how much better it is but honestly nothing is going to make me want to forke over that cash for it. only can keep up a reloader b or halo b just as good as any other high end out there... SO HOW ABOUT WDP SACKS UP AND MAKES A LOADER FASTER TO TAKE OUT THE COMPETITION EVEN WORSE

[ZoomZoom]

now that is a goos idea wdp needs to make a kick butt loader designed for the needs of the angel owner

and no i dont like the milling on the G7 but love the milling on the 05 speed

[speedangel69]

Im sure this gun kicks ass, but i dont like the milling that much. It just doesnt look like angel. Really weird.Kinda like this> :bouncer:

[Chaos_Lord]

I like. but if not the G7 then speed 5 for me.

[wolfram075]

the MTs are workin on a halo mod right now so ittl keep up with the guns

[thog94]

SO HOW ABOUT WDP SACKS UP AND MAKES A LOADER FASTER TO TAKE OUT THE COMPETITION EVEN WORSE

How about WDP keeps doing what they doing and the loader companies make something that keeps up with the Angel???

[ZoomZoom]

yes but who knows what the angels need better than wdp

[52brandon]

I think the new G7 is tight looking. I think it looks better than the 05 Speed, not saying the 05 Speed looks bad or anything like that, just the G7 looks better

[emoasian]

im not sure if you guys know, but the angry board is out for the halo. it says that the halo can feed 50 bps but im not sure. and what about this dark paint the halo doesnt sense? they need to go back to the drawing books or a hire a better industral designer.

[PouringPaintOn]

I like the simplicity of the 05. I have one and it's dust black and it just looks plain. After I tricked my a-5 out big time I was looking for something a little less fancy (and A LOT less heavy lol). I've seen all the other angels and I didn't like the little screen in the handle. The 05 was perfect for me. No fancy gadgets, no fancy milling like that alien intimidator. Just smooth and sleek.

[ZoomZoom]

pouring on paint i have a dust black 05 speed and i dont think there is any thing plain about it it looks like a sexy sleek killing machine

[ZoomZoom]

as far as the g7 not so sure yet but the more pics i see of it the more its growing on me i will need to see one in person and hold it in my hands before making my final opinion on it

[- KEVIE -]

I think the new eye system looks to make this marker really efficient(?) having seen it in person. I kinda like the way it looks they should look into redesigning the AIR to match the small markers they are coming out with. And a loader too......:)

[PouringPaintOn]

pouring on paint i have a dust black 05 speed and i dont think there is any thing plain about it it looks like a sexy sleek killing machine

I didn't mean plain like it wasn't nice. I meant plain like there isn't any shiny things or there isn't a lot of knobs and stuff. It looks like a gun, that's it. It doesn't have scopes or whatever or a cocking knob. No doubt that it's sexy and sleek, and my friends know about how well it performs as a "killing machine" lol.

[speedkills]

emo asian, as far as the halos not reading dark paint, some people say theirs wont read it but mine do. we went to a tourney and shot some diablo, half gloss black half ornage, and my v35 had no troubles.

[SlasherXII]

You are probably one of the lucky few with no problems. But for ppl that are having difficulty with dark shells should increase the sensitivity of the eyes.
I've seen and held the G7 myself, and to tell you the truth, all the angel will perform the same. The G7 introduces new advances in the angel lineup, which I might add are there to just make the gun more effecient. JR himself said that. For the money, get the speed now! It's at a great price with almost all the same features as the Fly. As far as the new eyes consuming more batt. that is totally untrue. It uses the same amount of energy as the current ones.
There might be a good chance that a newer AIR redesign is in the process. It seems only logical to be because of the insane rof WDP is turning out. Can anyone say 35+? :smile:

[PouringPaintOn]

I can't even reach 30 bps I don't think. How am I gonna reach 35+?! I think instead of working on how fast you can make the gun shoot they should maybe work on something different? I think the speed 05 shoots damn fast already, pretty soon people will be able to unload an entire hopper in like 2-3 sec. Wouldn't be any fun if everyone was just blasting the crap out of eachother.

[ZoomZoom]

most players cannot move there fingers fast enough to shoot 35bps if you can i want to see that on a chrony but i do understand making the guns faster if the gun is able to shoot that fast and you cant that means that the gun is going to be that much more dependable all i know is if you are shooting 20bps you are hauling ass

[flash5165]

20bps isn't that fast ne more...i can ez get 24-26bps wit my rasta fly. and man that thing rips! cant wait for the new g7...gonna be soo tight

[Speed Ninja]

I haven a red 05 speed and i love it. But the g7 i think is really ugly it kinda looks retro but not a good retro as for the internals i think ill just put some in my gun. Like the thing on the mini reg on the front! The gun reminds me of my refegerator to many usless buttons

[tgallo]

it has just as many buttons as the previous angels

[SlasherXII]

It's not that i'm saying 35 bps in attainable, but there will be that time when you are walking the trigger that it will pick-up those faster pulls more acurately.

[speed demon 666]

its probly a great fast gun but it missing sumthing,,,,u know its not the wdp angel anymore its missin sumthing

[|3@NZ@1666]

the foregrip is not my cup of joe. i still like the removable minireg and vert adapter better. not to mention it is hideous in my point of view

[ZoomZoom]

if you can shoot 24 to 26 bps with out bounce i need to see a vid on that over a cronny

[speedkills]

everyone shoots 24-26 over the chrono EASY. i think your just a little jealous zoom zoom. i mean i max my board out every time i shoot. LOL.

[PouringPaintOn]

everyone shoots 24-26 over the chrono EASY. i think your just a little jealous zoom zoom. i mean i max my board out every time i shoot. LOL.

Well, I don't know. I have some pretty fast fingers because I used to camp out on time crisis and I think I probably only hit like 20-22 bps. I've never done it over the chrono though. BUT, I just got my 05 speed like a couple of weeks ago and this is my FIRST gun that was actually able to hit those kinds of numbers. My gun before was an A-5 with e-trigger. Plus, this is my first time ever getting to mess around with a double trigger. I practice nearly every chance I get with it so if it is possible to do 24-26 bps then I should be able to get that soon out of my gun. I'm a newb though so I might not even know what I'm talking about lol

[FrontManDan]

if you can shoot 24 to 26 bps with out bounce i need to see a vid on that over a cronny

exactly if you can crank out 30 bps then it means you moving each finger 15 times a second, i think that is unlikly

and if u did manage it i bet you couldnt sustain it within 1-2 bps bet it wil be jumping from 17 -30 because your just getting lucky as you manage 2 hit the trigger twice very quickly

[JesusM.D.]

I can't see the improvement over the speed. Then again at the time when I owned my led, I couldn't see the improvement of the IR3. When I owned the IR3 I couldn't see the improvement of the old speed. When I owned my old speed, I couldn't see the improvement of the a4. And when I owned my a4, I couldn't see the improvement of the new speed. But I bought them all anyway, and then I knew how much better each model really was. So being an angel, and being a new angel, I would have to say that yes. It will be better

[pb_planetERIC]

and what about this dark paint the halo doesnt sense? they need to go back to the drawing books or a hire a better industral designer.
its called a reloader b.

but im looking towards it. ill have the dough. if i dont like it, it can always be sold and an 05 speed can be bought.

[XXPaintDemonXX]

i still like the 05 speed...if there really isnt much of a BIG change then the 05 speed then i dont see why paying the extra wait mm $600 for a LCD? I read the other post saying it can shoot what 39 or 49bps..i was told by some people that its impossible to shoot over 32bps bc the paintballs will be to close...so what would the need for 39, 49bps be? fun dry firing?

[SlasherXII]

I hope you guys know there really is no loader that can feed more than 25 bps unless you guys go the intellifeed conversion. The Speed 05 does not have this HOP port which is a feature that the other Angels do have. The G7 operates at a much lower 37 psi without dropping. If you also wanted a voluizer with your Speed, you'd have to buy it seperately. It still looks like an Angel, it still has the same layout though things have been moved around to decrease the size.If you don't like the milling, they will have other versions that have much nicer milling I garuantee it.

[PouringPaintOn]

I hope you guys know there really is no loader that can feed more than 25 bps unless you guys go the intellifeed conversion. The Speed 05 does not have this HOP port which is a feature that the other Angels do have. The G7 operates at a much lower 37 psi without dropping. If you also wanted a voluizer with your Speed, you'd have to buy it seperately. It still looks like an Angel, it still has the same layout though things have been moved around to decrease the size.If you don't like the milling, they will have other versions that have much nicer milling I garuantee it.

So I won't ever be able to shoot 31 bps like it says it can?

[SlasherXII]

So I won't ever be able to shoot 31 bps like it says it can?
It will, it's just that there isn't a loader that can feed that fast that I know of right now except the iHalo (intellifeed conversion). The Speed 05 doesn't have the socket on it's board designated HOP. This controls the signal that activates the loader. So you are only limited to the speed of your loader. If your loader feeds 24 bps, the gun will only fire 24 bps. If you can find a loader that feeds 31 bps, and only if you can pull the trigger that fast, then you'll get 31 bps.
i still like the 05 speed...if there really isnt much of a BIG change then the 05 speed then i dont see why paying the extra wait mm $600 for a LCD? I read the other post saying it can shoot what 39 or 49bps..i was told by some people that its impossible to shoot over 32bps bc the paintballs will be to close...so what would the need for 39, 49bps be? fun dry firing?
There's the price different between the Speed and the G7 because the G7 is fully loaded. You get whatever the latest technology that WDP has to offer in the G7. You still get a great deal with the Speed 05.
You'll be suprise to see how many ppl actually convert to Angels because of the little feature called Demo mode. I've had guys once commited to Timmies switch to Angels. If I get the G7 to cycle even faster that what we get with the Flys, what better way to get everyone to switch to Angels.

[PouringPaintOn]

Ok, thanks for answering my question. Sooo, does anyone know what the max bps is on the G7? Is it really 47bps?

[flash5165]

So I won't ever be able to shoot 31 bps like it says it can?

get the new board for the halo B n it will load 36bps

[flash5165]

Ok, thanks for answering my question. Sooo, does anyone know what the max bps is on the G7? Is it really 47bps?

i heard it was 49bps

[lazerman2182]

plain an simple the gun doesnt look like an angel an its ugly as hell
but im sure it can rip an is smooth but still im sticking with the speed 05

[SlasherXII]

get the new board for the halo B n it will load 36bps
Are you talking about the Victory board or the Angry board? I have both, the Victory board I have maxed out at 25 bps, Angry board at 27 bps. Not anywhere around 36 bps if you ask me.

[tgaffner]

Imagine this with an IHalo Kit!

[- KEVIE -]

I will get the G7..force G7 maybe?

I can also get the Mamba G7..Walter told me he has all the cad designes ready for the new body..

brand new milling style..not the old one..

I will for sure get the G7, only if it is aftermarket.

Edit: Paki on Kevie's name..AGAIN!

[tgaffner]

I will get the G7..force G7 maybe?

I can also get the Mamba G7..Walter told me he has all the cad designes ready for the new body..

brand new milling style..not the old one..

I will for sure get the G7, only if it is aftermarket.

Edit: Paki on Kevie's name..AGAIN!

Jesus, an aftermarket G7 will cost around 2 grand. VERY expensive.

[PouringPaintOn]

I don't know. I got my brand new 05 speed like 3 weeks ago with the halo belt drive series hopper and it shoots incredibly good stock just as is. This is the first high end gun I've ever shot or owned so I could be bias. I've only played with an A-5 and a winchester before I bought this but this thing just blows my mind on how everything is so accurate and everything seems to be perfect for me. So I don't know how much more the G7 could be better than this.

But I'm a newb and I don't know much about any other high end gun but for me, the angel 05 speed is awesome.

[Podz1968]

does any one know what the pricing on these things will be? I would imagine around 1400

[Neo]

I don't know. I got my brand new 05 speed like 3 weeks ago with the halo belt drive series hopper and it shoots incredibly good stock just as is. This is the first high end gun I've ever shot or owned so I could be bias. I've only played with an A-5 and a winchester before I bought this but this thing just blows my mind on how everything is so accurate and everything seems to be perfect for me. So I don't know how much more the G7 could be better than this.

But I'm a newb and I don't know much about any other high end gun but for me, the angel 05 speed is awesome.

the newb speaks the truth! everything on the g7 - for the most part - doesnt really make any SIGNIFICANT difference, why spend 600 more for something that is only slighty better than the 05 which, by the way, performs wonderfully IMO, g7 sounds like overkill to me...

[Neo]

does any one know what the pricing on these things will be? I would imagine around 1400

$1600

[Sparco]

Sounds like $1,595.00

If that's the case, I don't see how someone could say that the G7 is putting down the Speed at price point of $600 more dollars. Remember when the A4 came out soon after the Speed? Man there were a lot of upset people. Then the Fly comes out and the A4 owners were upset.

I think WDP is doing the right thing by keeping the price differential so much greater, it shouldn't make any '05 Speed owners upset. Yes, the G7 will feature newer features and what sounds to be more advanced technology. But for those of us that can't justify a Porsche 911 monthly car payment on a paintball marker, I believe that the '05 Speed is the best Angel yet in terms of value to dollar ratio.

[gutshot]

I don't know. I got my brand new 05 speed like 3 weeks ago with the halo belt drive series hopper and it shoots incredibly good stock just as is. This is the first high end gun I've ever shot or owned so I could be bias. I've only played with an A-5 and a winchester before I bought this but this thing just blows my mind on how everything is so accurate and everything seems to be perfect for me. So I don't know how much more the G7 could be better than this.

But I'm a newb and I don't know much about any other high end gun but for me, the angel 05 speed is awesome.

You might be a newb, but your on the right track. The 05 speed directly out of the box is major killer. In the field when the paint is flying, it will stand head to toe any day.

[Chopper Olz]

Im not to shore about the G7 in looks but i think its just the new fly if you know what i mean thay just think Fly 2 sounds crap lol and if you can shoot 35bps + you must be bouncing all over the place and you must carry more paint than BQ o and be loaded .

i do like it that WDP bring new guns out and that thay keep up to date well in front of the rest i just with ppl would stop going on about G7 against the speed 05 as i think the G7 is just a new fly

i get lots of kills and muggings with 20 bps i cant shoot any faster with out making it bounc i think if you need 40bps you need to stop playing lol

[PouringPaintOn]

Im not to shore about the G7 in looks but i think its just the new fly if you know what i mean thay just think Fly 2 sounds crap lol and if you can shoot 35bps + you must be bouncing all over the place and you must carry more paint than BQ o and be loaded .

i do like it that WDP bring new guns out and that thay keep up to date well in front of the rest i just with ppl would stop going on about G7 against the speed 05 as i think the G7 is just a new fly

i get lots of kills and muggings with 20 bps i cant shoot any faster with out making it bounc i think if you need 40bps you need to stop playing lol

Exactly. No more than 5 sec and your entire hopper will be gone, depending on what kind of hopper you use. I think that's like ....incredible, but at the same time really only for people who expect to waste atleast a case on one game. Think about it, that's 2000 rounds in ONE game. That's a lot of paint flying one way.

[IronmanSS25]

35+BPS = quick case into hospital surgery room for carpol tunnel.

To be honest that also = 300$ for paint and gas. Granted it is probley like muchos better on the gas part but still. I have to agree with some of the posts. they dont make markers 600$ more and it just be a "Add-on" to the current. This thing is gonna rock the house, soon your gonna see the Ironmen change to WDP's Ironmen and the timmys are gonna be out the door and in the trashcan. Or on ebay...

Also i stand behind the, its not the marker but the player behind it. Like "pouring paint on" said...ironicly, "thats alot of paint flying one way". Also if your gonna buy the G7 i would wait a bit, cause Paintball markers are just like computers, eventually after something new comes out, in a month or more, something newer and better is gonna come out and suck your attention into it.

[TrashDoG]

lol 35+ BPS is practically 2$ a second..... If you can aford to blow off 2$ a second for a 5 minute game, daaaaaaaaamn, share plz.

I dont like the cut off end of the G7, or the price tag. I agree with all those who said that the G7 wont effect 05 Speed owners. It's a $600 difference so if it "puts down" the 05 speed, you still have to consider the huuuge price difference.

Personally I think I'd liek to buy any G7 intenrals that will increase air efficiancy for my 05 speed, save about $400, and have an insanly kickass gun.

Does anyone know approx how much (even a guesstimate) the LCD trigger will go for to get it for an 05 speed?

[Eclipse55555]

i agree that it sounds like the G7 vs. 05 Speed i like a Micheal Jackson story. He tried to make himself look better, but in the end, he just made it worse. Although it is SUPPOSED to be a lot better, like all of you said, it just looks like a glaified 05 Speed. And if you can get the internals for it on an 05 Speed then why spend so much more money when it will cost you less to just get the conversion (depending on how $$$ it is) But even now the 05 Speeds come out with lazer eyes, and thats all that it really looks like the G7 has except for LCD (which i dont care for) and a rechargable battery (which i dont care for either) So im sticking with my 05 and just waiting for the interanals. Sounds like a plan.

[gutshot]

i agree that it sounds like the G7 vs. 05 Speed i like a Micheal Jackson story. He tried to make himself look better, but in the end, he just made it worse. Although it is SUPPOSED to be a lot better, like all of you said, it just looks like a glaified 05 Speed. And if you can get the internals for it on an 05 Speed then why spend so much more money when it will cost you less to just get the conversion (depending on how $$$ it is) But even now the 05 Speeds come out with lazer eyes, and thats all that it really looks like the G7 has except for LCD (which i dont care for) and a rechargable battery (which i dont care for either) So im sticking with my 05 and just waiting for the interanals. Sounds like a plan.

I agree 100%

[TheAngel_Guy]

stupid G7 haturz... lol j/k

well, i was debating over a 05 speed or the G7, but i want an lcd screen lol. plus, i don't think the internals will fit in the speed. unless i am dumb and havent read the thread that says they fit... but if they do, then all the better for you

[jesus]

you love scrotum

[SlasherXII]

Most of the internals do NOT fit. Ive spoken to JR myself about that already at SD.

[dusted]

well if the g-7 shooots like a dm4/5 im buying. what i mean is if there is no kick like the dm4/5 and maintains air efficency, which the dm4/5 dont im all for spending the extra money. i loved the way my dm4 shot, no kick at all, but air efficency was horrible. i bought a speed 05 loved how efficent it was but didnt like the kick, i even had a hammer machined out of titanium that weighed less than a third of original weight and still kicked more than my dm4.

long story short im buying if it can give me the best of both worlds.

[-Suicide-]

all i can say is, from my sources in britain the G7 has been brought out as the Flag Ship model marker of WDP for the time being, this was designed to beat all opposition and current Angel markers including the speed 05, the speed 05 is a hunk of shi* compared to the G7, aparently thats what its going to be like! Can't wait, and I hope you can't either!

Luke.

[wahoo]

if it has no kick like my dm4 than... maybe :notsure:

[Studmuffin]

in the pics i've seen wof the g7 i didn't see any place for the chager to plug in...does anyone know where it is or will be?

[SlasherXII]

I think it won't have any kick at all. If I can recall correctly, it operates at 38 psi. :ph34r: And it will cycle fully even at higher bps at the pressure.

[angelguy3]

Yo xxPaintballxx are you SURE it's going to be $1,500. Cause I don't think I can get it if it's that high. Damn it. Maybe I'll get a Speed '06 if they even have one. :thumbsdow

[-Suicide-]

in the pics i've seen wof the g7 i didn't see any place for the chager to plug in...does anyone know where it is or will be?

lol dude, you obv dont know much about the speed 05 then, there will be no charger, just a simple 9volt battery!

Luke.

[Trigga Nometry]

Unlike the Speed 05, the G7 does need to be charged. Take a look at this pic:
http://www.angel-owners.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17175

and this one: http://www.angel-owners.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14790

[angelguy3]

Wait is the G7 Definantly going to be 1500 bucks?

[colonel frank slade]

ok im gonna sound like a retard....but, how the heck does anyone shoot that fast?? Is there some kind of assistance high end guns give you? I can only do like 11-14bps with my stock impy. Im gonna get a g7 when it comes out though. will it help me shoot faster? like what is this bounce you all speak of?

[angelguy3]

That's becaue the Stock Imp trigger sucks, I can only do about 18 on my friends, then he got a blade and it rips.

[colonel frank slade]

but how do other guns shoot so fast if u cant pull the trigger that many times? and what is bounce?

[FrontManDan]

i smell bs

[ZoomZoom]

That's becaue the Stock Imp trigger sucks, I can only do about 18 on my friends, then he got a blade and it rips.
why does every one think they can shoot over 20bps.........and every time i say prove it and there is a croney around and even offer to pay for the paint they have a bad excuse when they cant got over 14 to 16bps.........my guns not shooting rite, batteries in my loader are going dead, the croney must be off, my freind was messing with my trigger settings WHAT EVER

[colonel frank slade]

well, can someone tell me what bounce is anyway?

[TheAngel_Guy]

why does every one think they can shoot over 20bps.........and every time i say prove it and there is a croney around and even offer to pay for the paint they have a bad excuse when they cant got over 14 to 16bps.........my guns not shooting rite, batteries in my loader are going dead, the croney must be off, my freind was messing with my trigger settings WHAT EVER

do you mean w/o bounce? w/o bounce i can do 20 or so. not anything rediculously fast, but i can do around 20.


well, can someone tell me what bounce is anyway?

bounce is trigger bounce. it basically lets you shoot faster then you are pulling the trigger. a high trigger bounce means it will shoot more then once per trigger pull(if you are pulling semi-fast)

[Trigga Nometry]

well, can someone tell me what bounce is anyway?Sure.

What Trigger Bounce is:

"Bounce" is short for "Trigger Bounce" which means that the electronics on the gun take the noise that exists when a gun's microswitch is activated and interpret it as a legitimate trigger pull by the player. The bounce adjustment filters out the electronic noise generated by the switch so as to prevent the gun from firing from these spurious signals. All fine and well, until companies allow users to adjust their "DeBounce" down to a point where these spurious signals are once again triggering the gun without direct input from the user. The end result is a very fast gun without any talent being required of the user.

[colonel frank slade]

ok and is "ramping" the same thing? And are these looked down upon by others? Also, will the g7 have bounce or "ramping"? or are these some kind of an upgrade you buy?

[kayn_OS]

BPS is all relative to what is happening around you. I have a hard time believing that in the middle of a game ANYONE is sustaining or even approaching 20 BPS. I can see 10-16 but even that under fire is being pretty generous. Shooting 25+ BPS over the chrony really means squat. It's like doing tricks standing still on a skateboard. Never understood it, never will.

[speedemon]

G7 = 05 speed with lcd and diff milling, not much more to justify the price jump in my book. Thats just my opinion

[maybachgt]

I totally agree

[Trigga Nometry]

G7 = 05 speed with lcd and diff milling, not much more to justify the price jump in my book. Thats just my opinionHave you guys even been reading what the differences are with the new G7 over the Speed 05? It's not just the LCD and milling :again:

[maybachgt]

deffinatly. WHoa it has lazer eyes that don't do anything. New internals that probably wont be much better. and thats about it

[speedemon]

lol trigga nometry, sweet name... also the name of our three man team. huh. check the logo. If you want a free window decal holla at me. word. proper. um... thats all I got.

[ZoomZoom]

Have you guys even been reading what the differences are with the new G7 over the Speed 05? It's not just the LCD and milling :again:
im starting to wonder if some of these guys can even read :notsure: :stooges:

[speedemon]

zoom zoom what is the bore size on your um... how do I put this... stiffi?

[SlasherXII]

...

[ZoomZoom]

zoom zoom what is the bore size on your um... how do I put this... stiffi?
.691 to me is the best bore size made IMO :bouncer:

[NO_NAME]

Have you guys seen the 05 speed with G-7 laser eyes on www.bradyspaintball.com

[SlasherXII]

Have you guys seen the 05 speed with G-7 laser eyes on www.bradyspaintball.com
NO_NAME please stop spamming. This is the 4th time you've posted the same thing.

[FRED-D]

so i guess you can upgrade the (SPEED) to perform like the (G7), except for the bolts. am i correct? i was reading something about the (G7) bolt of how its not going to fit on the (SPEED).

[SlasherXII]

Well its all speculation right now if they will have a upgrade kit for past Angels. But from what I gathered from the San Diego tech class, its very limited. I believe the bolt is noticably longer than the previous soft-face.

If you guys are familiar with the Newton Evolve kit, the G7 has a setup similar to it but without the obtrusive volumisers. Plus it can run at much lower psi that the former. I also believe that JR said that some air passages have been changed to allow for better refresh rates.

Hey ppl take the time and read the previous threads before you start another one that has already been posted. You'll find your answers pretty fast.

[FRED-D]

hey, do you think will be able to upgrade the SPEED to perform like the G7?

[SlasherXII]

If they will have it you'll see it here in the AngelOwners forums. Until then, you gotta wait my brother...

[speedemon]

what do you mean "to perform like the g7"? what is your speed lacking?

[FRED-D]

nothing realy.....i thought maybe i can put the g7 grip frame on the speed with the the g7 opto board. i think the only thing that would not fit, is the bolt....what you think?

[speed2much911]

lol "dm5 has nothin on this gun" dude i've shot and owned about every gun you could think of. the 05' cant possibly be much worse than the g7. its the same gun, basically except 4 the lcd and the "internals which are probly the same" the dm5 is 2x the gun the 05' is..

[gutshot]

lol "dm5 has nothin on this gun" dude i've shot and owned about every gun you could think of. the 05' cant possibly be much worse than the g7. its the same gun, basically except 4 the lcd and the "internals which are probly the same" the dm5 is 2x the gun the 05' is..

Really. How old are you??

[angel or die]

ya i dont think u could tell the difference in internals+ g7 does not look that cool i like the a4 look better and the A4 has good enough technology for me except eyes

[angel or die]

gotta get the eyes

[speedemon]

dm5? you have to be kidding me... talk about a baby step up from the dm4. I would (and did) pick and angel over any dye marker every time. Also tell me how much you like your dm5 in the cool weather when that dye lube starts thickening up. Fred. I have to get my G7 first to tell you the real differences, but as I understand (this could be wrong) but the bolt, ram, and exhaust set up are all diffrent, just to name a few things. Does anyone have a G7 yet?