The New wdp G7 Info Released !!!!!!

[KEN CRANE]

ok this is the low down
wdp has released the info and has a prototype in s/d of the new g7.the new gun will be avail. the beginning of 05.(JANUARY OR FEB.)
the gun has been in development for quite some time, the desicion to show the gun was only decided today at about 10 am. the specs of the gun are as follows
lighter hammer. different valve system that allows faster rate of fire, no kick, visable lazer eyes, even faster eye logic software (faster than 3.7) 4.8 rechargable battery that is smaller than existing 4.8v batery.the gun has a very low rear profile as the 14 way is mounted sideways for added room to remove more body mass.this makes for a very light body.more info as we can tell you.. dont you hate when we do this???

heres more
14 way is side mounted to allow lower profile. same trigger system that is used on speed05, rubber grip pannels on front of mini reg & on the front of the gripframe. on the back of the ram there is a leaver that is used to open the breach rather than a pull pin.the eye will be retrofittable going back into all previous eye versions

[MM77X]

Sounds sweet!!! Any idea of approx release date? :feed:

[Hep]

Just gets better and better. Downfall is going to hear all the winers complaining about a decrease in their current Angel, blah blah wah.

[third lobe]

i can hear the heavens opening up and shining down on us!!!!

i cant wait for the pics

[Furby]

http://www.68caliber.com/news/industry/story04526.php

[FATBACK]

Sounds sweet!!! ARSENAL edition anyone!?!?!

[tgaffner]

Why would they call it a G7?

[dailyluttrell]

>>>>>>>>probably reffering to the revision level of the engineering prints<<<<<<<<<<
this new design sounds revolutionary not surprised really just a matter of time before the great minds of WDP unleash another industry altering marker as they did with the LED back in the Day.

[Raoul]

Not to bash WDP in any way, (well kinda) but why do they release half of an initial gun design and then 6 months later release the final product?

First the Speed then the A4 and finally the Fly. All based (somewhat) on the same design.

Now... 05Speed which is leading to the "G7"

It's like they release a prototype, sell it to make money, then release the final design and make more money.... It's like we (the consumer) are being used as testers for their un-finished designs.

Sorry to sound like I'm bitchin, but it just seems that way.

[Raoul]

BTW, it doesn't matter, I'm still a WDP-4-Life-er! :D

[WARPED1]

Better sell my other kidney to afford it!

[dynastySSS]

hey ken paki told me he saw it at cup today any chance you could post some picks

[Sparco]

There are a few photos on WDP's website that I found... looks wild!

[Raoul]

Wow, it looks like a freaking spaceship!

[oregonballa]

omg that is soo sick i wish i could buy it.

[third lobe]

mixed feelings

[Sparco]

FYI, I wasn't at the venue today so I can't comment but I'd imagine (based on what Ken has stated) that this is a prototype. So everything you see may not be what is seen/available on the final consumer model.

[dynastySSS]

looks alot diffrent.........and i to have mixed feelings

[C.Carles-AOG]

That looks amazing, pricing info yet? Details?

[Who?]

wow that thing looks ill. I am soooo glad I didnt rush in and buy a speed O5 now!!!

Will this have the LCD like the fly???

[PakmanRevd]

Hey guys I was at cup today and I saw this freakin sexy beast.. I have been hangin out in the WDP booth pretty much the entire day.. I took a lot of pictures with my phone and will have a lot better pics tommorrow.. The new G7 is freaking sexy..that's all I have to say..

I also met Rocky and he is the most chill guy.. I will make a thread in the General Chat area with all my pics..

G7 - AMAZING!@!#@#$@

Bob hope you like the shirts ;)

edit: they said it will be released at EARLIEST January for $1600 ish..

I will post pics of the G7 tomorrow..

-Paki :peace:

PS: Furby were you there? I wanna meet you duder.

[KEN CRANE]

FYI, I wasn't at the venue today so I can't comment but I'd imagine (based on what Ken has stated) that this is a prototype. So everything you see may not be what is seen/available on the final consumer model.

nope thats a full version.how come no ones noticed the knobbie thing on the "volumiser"





















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[KEN CRANE]

There are a few photos on WDP's website that I found... looks wild!
notice the reddish glow? thats the lazer eye system.no more ball drop test.if shes glowin shes a goin

[Musashi]

I personally hate the look of it. I find that the angel is starting to lose it's distinctive look. The milling is way to simple. I also don't know how they can justify charging people $1600 for this gun when it's really not that much more advanced. For a better choice of words, it's not significantly better then previous fly models. Sure the valve is different, guns smaller and faster, but does speed really matter when the hoppers currently can't even keep up with the speed we have now? Plus when do you ever shoot 31 bps during a game with no bounce? Not me, and unless your a freak, not you. Yay, you might get a whole two more pods out of a tank of air but do you really ever walk off the field with no air and no paint anyway? I'd say, save your money and start buying the first gen fly's because people will now start unloading them because of this preview. It's not the gun that makes you a good player. While I do agree that a gun will improve your game a little, I don't think it's the key factor. Plus the difference between the fly and the G7 are minimal when it comes to reality. This is just my opinion. Don't flame me cause I still love angels, I just don't like new ones that have the image of being better then they really are.

[PakmanRevd]

notice the reddish glow? thats the lazer eye system.no more ball drop test.if shes glowin shes a goin

Yeah Ken I saw the red glow.. Guy was tellin me all about that.. You gunna stop by the WDP booth? I'd like to meet you..

I like the gun a lot. I'd definatly put my money into it..

[Blackadder]

Sexy looking mechine!!!! Be nice if they could get it out with the boards to work properly. Buddies 05 is already getting the board replaced 1500 rounds through it
outta the box. He loves the gat but had the same problem with the 2 IR3's he had
lowered his standards to a timmy til the 05 caught him.

[BuNkErEd]

mixed feelings.

[thog94]

Here are a few more including a pic of the lcd window.

[RaistlinsLegacy]

WEIGHT NOW MUCH DOES IT WEIGH??!?!?!??! if it si 2 pounds or less I AM THERE!!!! HAHAHA

[PakmanRevd]

I wanna meet up with all the AOG people..

[pookai]

Wow that looks hot indeed. Futuristic, but NO other marker looks even close to that. Can't wait to see, if there is, how the MT version turns out. *wink wink nudge nudge*

[Paintballjc]

:clap: I get to go sunday and see it!! yay!!!!

[PakmanRevd]

Thye said it wil be thre top of the line gun for all of next year...

Which means another angel in a year!$@#$

[Benfrain]

Is it just me or does it look front heavy from the side? Front is still the same depth but because the back end has been cut back so much it's looking like an Ego??

[garycarrot]

I dont think its radical enough, still got the three tube design, still looks like an angel to me.....I quite like it!!!!

[KEN CRANE]

Yeah Ken I saw the red glow.. Guy was tellin me all about that.. You gunna stop by the WDP booth? I'd like to meet you..

I like the gun a lot. I'd definatly put my money into it..

i am home , robert and trevor are maning the booth

[dynastySSS]

the back reminds me of a free style....so ken this is the "finished product"

[whiskeybusiness]

is the knob at the end of the volumizer for an externally adjustable lpr?

[PakmanRevd]

They were telling me that the volumizers were not needed.. The gun already has virtually no kick wiithout them..

I'll take some good pics for you guys..

[thatdude]

anyone have any ideas on how much a lazer break beam eye conversion will be for a speed05 or something... guesses or anything?

[sharps990]

if you tilt ur head to the right in thogs second pic it looks like the curves of a woman

just a thought

sharps

[tgaffner]

I knew that they would start to look like this....

Also, what is that on the reg?

I send an email to Frazer a couple months ago saying that they should maybe think about putting in the Angel A.I.R's electronic pressure sensors (I dont know what they are actually called) so you can see the Reg's Out-Put Pressure on the LCD Screen when they came out with the 05 Fly...

Is this something like that?

[f2f4]

I defenitely like it.
A lot. :)

Here are some more pics:
http://img114.exs.cx/img114/6338/PICT0168.jpg
http://img114.exs.cx/img114/7271/PICT0169.jpg
https://home.comcast.net/~thog94/g73.jpg
https://home.comcast.net/~thog94/g74.jpg

[thog94]

Those are the same pics that were already previously posted in this thread, got any new ones??

[Leo Robinson]

Im actually in san diego at the nppl event right now i have a bunch of pics of it from this morning ill post when i get home. the guy in the tent was like why so may pictures is this for a website. LOL be back monday with pics and vids from the event.

[f2f4]

Those are the same pics that were already previously posted in this thread, got any new ones??
Oh crap. :yikes:
I didn't see those thumbnails... just scrolled through really quickly...

*sheepish*

[2k2lcd]

looks like a retarded jam ball in the breach area.
Looks sick.

[p8ntballer73]

Cosmetically, I am not too impressed. It seems like everything is starting to look the same. Almost like the car industry. "Is that a Honda, Toyota, Ford, uh I don't know?" I would like to see this in action and see if it is better than it's predecessors. I still haven't had my hands on an 05 yet.

[Winnebago]

lol... it's LASER... not lazer... whenever i see lazer i think of dr evil in austin powers.

Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation


muppets whine when WDP comes out with new guns... muppets whine when WDP whines when WDP doesn't come out with new guns... looks like WDP just can't win for losing.

[ufcd98]

Ken-
Will the new G7 valve and hammer fit existing speed05/a4's and if so will it be available for purchase?
steve

[- KEVIE -]

All i have to say is i saw it in person and the back of the marker looks very cool i assume the little dial on the back is some kind of new breech knob, cant really remember much once i stepped foot onto the Nppl grounds it was all a blur. So if the MTs could clarify what i am saying that would be great(New Arsenal Fanboy got to meet the whole team in person and they are a great bunch of guys)

[Paintballjc]

Hey, does anyone want to come and pick me up??? I want to see this! Paki, do you want to give me a ride??

[tgaffner]

Dammit. This has happend two time on me. I got an A4, week later the Fly came out. Bought an 05 Speed, month later there is a new one....

Oh well, §§§§ happens...

[Paintballjc]

Dammit. This has happend two time on me. I got an A4, week later the Fly came out. Bought an 05 Speed, month later there is a new one....

Oh well, §§§§ happens...
Cant you just be happy with what you have....???

[Who?]

Dammit. This has happend two time on me. I got an A4, week later the Fly came out. Bought an 05 Speed, month later there is a new one....

Oh well, §§§§ happens...

this new gun is going to cost around 1600 from what I Read somewhere.

Speed is only 995. WOuld you have really spent the extra 6 beans?? :)

[sie2050]

hmmmmmm guess i got to get rid of my ir3 and get speed 05 then get laser eyes and new ram and hammer and it will be unique in uk hahahahahaha jus got to get sum one who lives in us to send it too me so customs dont bite me in the a$$ and charge me like 400% tax lol stupid british customs

[peegee]

yes and yes as well as the new lazer eyes

hmm interesting if this valve and hammer comes out for the aftermarket

peegee

[PakmanRevd]

Here's some new pics ;)

[Raoul]

I have yet to see a pik of the LCD side.

Paki, focus? :fade:

[pookai]

Cosmetically, I am not too impressed. It seems like everything is starting to look the same. Almost like the car industry. "Is that a Honda, Toyota, Ford, uh I don't know?" I would like to see this in action and see if it is better than it's predecessors. I still haven't had my hands on an 05 yet.


I think all angels have a distinct look from other brands. What do you think this new angel looks like?

[PakmanRevd]

I have yet to see a pik of the LCD side.

Paki, focus? :fade:

:pat:

Will post pics of the LCD tomorrow :P

[$J-MAL$]

u know how much there gonna run?

[Reborn]

I like the looks of it. Wouldn't mind seeing one in person.

[Xaitan]

don't get to hung up on the milling of the gun. It's a prototype.

[PakmanRevd]

u know how much there gonna run?

1600 ish

[BuNkErEd]

yes and yes as well as the new lazer eyes thats awesome news!! hopefully now i dont gotta sell my fly..

[p8ntballer73]

I think all angels have a distinct look from other brands. What do you think this new angel looks like?

It is not that it looks identical to another marker already on the market. Prior to the increase in electro markers, the angel stood out in a crowd and had a significant different appearance. It is a nice looking marker, but I am more interested in how it performs over the other Angels. Don't get me wrong if I could afford one and they made a silver to blue fade or a red white and blue, I would highly consider this. I am an Angel fan forever. I want to get a new rig soon anyway, but just haven't gotten around to shopping.

[dwylie75]

is it me or does the frame seem longer in the back? the fly and the 05 seem to be a lot shorter. It could be just hte photos but it seems long like the old style angels. thoughts?

d

[WDP ir3 2k3]

The new eye in it look sweet

[p8nt_junkie]

Man, and I thought the Speed looked sweet. I may have to seriously consider this gun. Interesting that WDP think that their rechargable battery is da bomb. I kind of thought that the 9v was a good idea. But oh well, my Dad's 2k Dark LCD is still kicking. I really have finally warmed up to the vernier wheels. The trigger is the BEST in paintball. The flush eye covers are second only to the DM4s eye covers (as soon as WDP come out with a way to submerge the ribbon cable under the "skin" of the marker, then they will have the penultimate marker). I say penultimate b/c they will never build the "P8nt_junkie Edition Angel.

[alleng]

Have some quick questions for Ken, hopefully he has the answer.

I assume it is an LPR gun, correct?

Next question, what other colors/fades/anodzing will they have.

[dynastySSS]

LPR...try LP :)

[angelobsessor]

Nice gun. I think I will just get my A4 flied though.

[BuNkErEd]

i dont see how much better you can get than a fly. so for that reason im just happy with what i have and will stay with my fly. i possibly might get the new ram upgrade thing thats it. IR eyes are faster than hoppers can feed so why would i need laser??

[sPeEdY_aNgEl]

ah! I'm at the NPPL right now... I saw the G7... its pretty hot.

[corrupt123]

i dont really understand how the lazer eyes work... yeah, i can understand one eye sees the others lazer, or the one lazer reflects, similar maybe to how a scanner works for barcodes.

but than check the response time of IR eyes, the diffrences and/or advantages are probably so minute, we'd have to be shooting a case of paint per second to see the difference.

infact, judging from some of the pictures... i'd be so bold as to say the new eyes were just put in to make it more flashy. having the same rection time and/or effectiveness, but looking better. not bad in anyway, hell, i might pick myself up a pair, because a nice red glowing breech is pretty cool:P however, with a smaller batter and another glowing light, i cant see the battery effiency going up.

and the faster eye logic... yes, this is definetly a plus, but what makes it faster? i am curious. i am also curious to the guns electronic engine, the 05 speed and fly, and the fly's with LED displays all seemed to run off of the same software, with minor changes to accomodate display, so is it not possible it is the same deal with this one? i am also curious what the max bps is set at. obvious it is probably much too early in the production to be sure, but with faster cycle time, faster logis, and the same old loader, i'm really curious as to what you guys think necessary.

and.. i dont soppose there is any chance at all for a foregrip similar to that on the G7 or speed avalable after-market to the fly threading & hole locations... if you even know.

lastly, i'd like to point out, i am not flaming in any way. i honestly dont think WDP will be able to effectivly top the fly. few changes here, additions there, so new markers like this are definetly respectable. but everyone will have their questions.

*edit*

im beginning to understand why the laser eyes might be better... harder to clog them up? still not sure though

i am curious however, as to how the breech locks. from the pictures i can tell there is the knob at the back, which is turned rather than pulled, but from the views of the breech there doesnt appear to be anything for it to lock into, or aganst ?

[gx3man]

I saw that the reason the 05 speed didn't have the new eyes was because they couldn't get the patent fast enough. So here's a question: now that the patent is theirs and the eye system is working, will future 05 speeds built be using the new laser eyes? Seems like they'd intended to do that with the 05 speed from the beginning.

[Hep]

Some of you are still not understanding WDPs marketing or marketing in general. Ok here's the easiest breakdown I can make. Chevrolet releases a '04 Apple Camaro (out of production by the way) in early 2004 then releases the '05 Orange Vette in November. Damn them for releasing a better/faster and also more expensive car months later making my Apples not worth crap. Apples and oranges folks besides that how many times has it got to be said. If you don't improve/evolve then your lost in the dust. So for the complainers and winers out there deal with it.

[1boobfromSector 7-G]

I love the WDP stuff, but this company is like all others in the paintball industry. They have figured out that a newer vision of an old gun will sell every year. So will the G7 be the last WDP gun? No.
Will the G7 be the only gun even released by WDP for the 2005? I am saying no, because they want to make money so they will release more guns that make people think there old gun, which runs great and is much faster then they can shoot, is slow and out dated. What I do expect is something like "gx3man" says is a changing over to the new laser eyes on the speed.


I can't blame WDP at all, if I was president over the company and releazed that money could be made by even releasing a new gun every 4 months you can beat your life on it I would release one. Then another, and another, and another. Also don't forget about thoughing in a few special ano's in there. So me and everybody else out there is just going to have to deal with it, you can't always have the new hot gun, unless you are willing to spend 4-5 grand a year on markers.

Still a WDP fan for life.

[tgaffner]

There will always be new stuff comming out.

That was the purpose of my other post, to show that is is ALWAYS going to happen. Get used to it...

[shaq787]

has anyone else creamed thenselves??


LAZERS!!!!!

[IwanaANGEL]

this thing is awsome! very nice in person

[laysomepaint]

ok, i guess ill have to ask it. Whats with the knob on the volumiser? or is it a volumiser? ken?

edit: doesnt look as good as my 05 speed. low back is...awkward.

[SQUID_warrior]

Got to see this beast in person in San Deigo. Must say it's one nice lookin' gun. The tech there explained all its features to me and all in all I'd say most were good improvements. IMO, I think the new eye system is more for show than anything else. The red eyes are pretty cool and its nice to have a visual cue that the eyes are working, but I don't think they serve any real purpose (at least none was expalined to me) or advantage over IR eye systems.

I like the increased reg porting and laying the noid on its side. More airflow is always better. I also liked the new breech release. The little switch is much better than the pull knob.

Overall, it was one damn cool marker. But for $1600, I'll stick with Speed 05.

[Raoul]

ok, i guess ill have to ask it. Whats with the knob on the volumiser? or is it a volumiser? ken?

edit: doesnt look as good as my 05 speed. low back is...awkward.

My guess is that it's like the Evolve equalized low-pressure valve thingy.

As far as looks, it's just a natural evolution of the Angel design. Look how boxy and bulky the initial Porsche design was compared to how sleek the latest Porsche looks now.

[KEN CRANE]

i dont really understand how the lazer eyes work... yeah, i can understand one eye sees the others lazer, or the one lazer reflects, similar maybe to how a scanner works for barcodes.

but than check the response time of IR eyes, the diffrences and/or advantages are probably so minute, we'd have to be shooting a case of paint per second to see the difference.

infact, judging from some of the pictures... i'd be so bold as to say the new eyes were just put in to make it more flashy. having the same rection time and/or effectiveness, but looking better. not bad in anyway, hell, i might pick myself up a pair, because a nice red glowing breech is pretty cool:P however, with a smaller batter and another glowing light, i cant see the battery effiency going up.

and the faster eye logic... yes, this is definetly a plus, but what makes it faster? i am curious. i am also curious to the guns electronic engine, the 05 speed and fly, and the fly's with LED displays all seemed to run off of the same software, with minor changes to accomodate display, so is it not possible it is the same deal with this one? i am also curious what the max bps is set at. obvious it is probably much too early in the production to be sure, but with faster cycle time, faster logis, and the same old loader, i'm really curious as to what you guys think necessary.

and.. i dont soppose there is any chance at all for a foregrip similar to that on the G7 or speed avalable after-market to the fly threading & hole locations... if you even know.

lastly, i'd like to point out, i am not flaming in any way. i honestly dont think WDP will be able to effectivly top the fly. few changes here, additions there, so new markers like this are definetly respectable. but everyone will have their questions.

*edit*

im beginning to understand why the laser eyes might be better... harder to clog them up? still not sure though

i am curious however, as to how the breech locks. from the pictures i can tell there is the knob at the back, which is turned rather than pulled, but from the views of the breech there doesnt appear to be anything for it to lock into, or aganst ?

as soon as we are able to spill the beans one of us will .we will be able to answer all of the questions as we are waiting to be able to tell you.

[headiebean]

i actually do not like the new body look. i think the 05 speed looks the best. now it seems like they are trying to hard to mod the body.
therefore, i like my 05 speed better interms of cosmetics, so i will be buying the new internals of the G-7 and putting them into my speed. --if they are really worth it

:dunno: :dunno: lol lol

[spider]

No clue as to how intense the ir beam is, but if I were to guess on the new laser beam effectiveness I'd say it's a brighter beam providing more of a difference for the sensor to spot... making it possible to set it so direct sunlight hitting the eye doesn't affect the sensor enough for it to fail. But what do I know... just a guesstimation.

[pimpinsaylor]

it looks sweet but will it be an ange or something else

[KEN CRANE]

ok the question has been asked about the battery life with the new brighter "lazer" eyes.the battery usage will be negligable. all that has been done is shift the non visable portion of the light spectrum to a visiable beam.

the bolt is now 5mm longer in its length and travel.

when the breach closes it moves the bolt 3mm forward to prevent ball rollback.

the feed neck has now gone to a 1 piece rubber collar instead of the orings.

the mini reg uses a slightly different spring style and now flows 3x more air.

the 14 way is mounted sideways and uses no manifold plate for a lower profile and more direct air flow.

the ram shaft and hammer are now made of aluminum for lighter reciprocating mass.the exaust valve assembly is totaly redesigned.

the board is the same as the fly with the speed trigger system and totaly new faster software.

the exaust port opening is double what it was in the fly.

the g7 uses the same 4.8 volt nmh battery that is aprox 2 oz lighter and smaller in profile.

more if i remember.

[pimpinsaylor]

This looks like an Angel to end all angels anyway looks sweet

[pimpinsaylor]

Man, and I thought the Speed looked sweet. I may have to seriously consider this gun. Interesting that WDP think that their rechargable battery is da bomb. I kind of thought that the 9v was a good idea. But oh well, my Dad's 2k Dark LCD is still kicking. I really have finally warmed up to the vernier wheels. The trigger is the BEST in paintball. The flush eye covers are second only to the DM4s eye covers (as soon as WDP come out with a way to submerge the ribbon cable under the "skin" of the marker, then they will have the penultimate marker). I say penultimate b/c they will never build the "P8nt_junkie Edition Angel.
i hope that wdp never makes internal eyes. i think the eyes add a unique look to the marker

[thog94]

What about the knob on the end of the volumizer??

[Hep]

The breach moving the bolt forward is ingeneous, man just when you thought that WDP had thought of everything they give you a left hook across your jaw!!

[RaistlinsLegacy]

only 2 ounces lighter? :( i dont know it looks so beautiful, but i dont know if i want to spend the money for it...

[SlasherXII]

only 2 ounces lighter? :( i dont know it looks so beautiful, but i dont know if i want to spend the money for it... I believe that is the weight reduction for the battery only. Ken, how heavy is the G7? I'm pretty sure that Arsenal will be getting a special edition version of this gun. I'm loving the new Angel! I'll probably pick one up as soon as it comes out. Though as some ppl have said, i'm worried that it would be too front heavy because I usually run and gun with one hand. But hell if it's a lot more lighter that any previous Angel I probably won't notice.

[KEN CRANE]

I believe that is the weight reduction for the battery only. Ken, how heavy is the G7? I'm pretty sure that Arsenal will be getting a special edition version of this gun. I'm loving the new Angel! I'll probably pick one up as soon as it comes out. Though as some ppl have said, i'm worried that it would be too front heavy because I usually run and gun with one hand. But hell if it's a lot more lighter that any previous Angel I probably won't notice.

not avail. the gun still will have some small changes to it so that might effect the final weight.

[autocane]

In another forum, someone posted that the "delay time" was cut in half compared to the 05 speed. 1/8 second - 1/16 second were the figures given. I assume that delay time means the time between the board recognizing the trigger pull to the time that the paintball exits the breach? If that is the case, I could only imagine how smooth this marker feels while shooting. I thought my Fly was insane!!!

[spider]

Having looked at the pics and specs for a while I've come to the connclusion that wdp is evil.... just when I thought I had my mind mad up on getting the speed 05 and come a bit on my way to saving up to it.... they go ahead and release this info... man... dunno if I missed it somewhere but is there a planned proximity of price for this beauty?

[thog94]

They say around 1600 for the G7.

[spider]

ugh..price...wallet hurt.... well... the 05 is nice too.... but all them specs really look impressive... and I really like the breach lock... could do without the lcd though.... milling looks fine to me, but thats just personal opinion.... I'd really love the g7 speed... skip lcd and rechargeable battery... keep milling, breach lock, eyes and all the other nice improovements...
Does Ken know if such a thing is planned? (or anyone else for that matter)

[welted]

will the G7 have the new Version2 speed logic software?? the kind they had on the blue 05 speed on display. the guy there we talked to said that it was brand new, so that even the new speed05's (my friend had bought one the day before) didn't have them?

i'm talking about the software that has like store-demo-mode and stuff like that...

[Raoul]

...the bolt is now 5mm longer in its length and travel.


What does that mean? I get the part about the bolt being longer (and it *still* moves forward 3mm when the breech is locked?) but the bolt *travel* is +5mm too?

/me is confused, the bolt moves forward 3mm when locking the breech *and* there's 5mm more travel when fired? Does that mean the breech is 5mm longer too? I assume then that the bolt will be unique to the 'G7' and won't fit any other Angel.

Am I getting that right?

[RevBubba]

I like the ideas that they are changing...especially the new Speed frame.

However, I really gotta wonder how much the performance improvement will be realized? i mean a properly set up Fly can rip insane paint now. Unless we all go to Q Loaders i doubt I will see a performance difference.

[KEN CRANE]

What does that mean? I get the part about the bolt being longer (and it *still* moves forward 3mm when the breech is locked?) but the bolt *travel* is +5mm too?

/me is confused, the bolt moves forward 3mm when locking the breech *and* there's 5mm more travel when fired? Does that mean the breech is 5mm longer too? I assume then that the bolt will be unique to the 'G7' and won't fit any other Angel.

Am I getting that right?

yes,yes yes and YES

[Raoul]

Lol

[Chaos_Lord]

what was the blue marker in the pic with the G7? Is that like a special edition speed or something? new? specs?

[paintballbum]

i hope that wdp never makes internal eyes. i think the eyes add a unique look to the marker
knowing wdp, no. the angel will only get smaller and better, every new angel gun proves this



the gun is mamba04

goto www.cobrapaintball.com for more info

[kangaroodent]

i dont really understand how the lazer eyes work... yeah, i can understand one eye sees the others lazer, or the one lazer reflects, similar maybe to how a scanner works for barcodes.

but than check the response time of IR eyes, the diffrences and/or advantages are probably so minute, we'd have to be shooting a case of paint per second to see the difference.

infact, judging from some of the pictures... i'd be so bold as to say the new eyes were just put in to make it more flashy. having the same rection time and/or effectiveness, but looking better. not bad in anyway, hell, i might pick myself up a pair, because a nice red glowing breech is pretty cool:P however, with a smaller batter and another glowing light, i cant see the battery effiency going up.

and the faster eye logic... yes, this is definetly a plus, but what makes it faster? i am curious. i am also curious to the guns electronic engine, the 05 speed and fly, and the fly's with LED displays all seemed to run off of the same software, with minor changes to accomodate display, so is it not possible it is the same deal with this one? i am also curious what the max bps is set at. obvious it is probably much too early in the production to be sure, but with faster cycle time, faster logis, and the same old loader, i'm really curious as to what you guys think necessary.

and.. i dont soppose there is any chance at all for a foregrip similar to that on the G7 or speed avalable after-market to the fly threading & hole locations... if you even know.

lastly, i'd like to point out, i am not flaming in any way. i honestly dont think WDP will be able to effectivly top the fly. few changes here, additions there, so new markers like this are definetly respectable. but everyone will have their questions.

*edit*

im beginning to understand why the laser eyes might be better... harder to clog them up? still not sure though

i am curious however, as to how the breech locks. from the pictures i can tell there is the knob at the back, which is turned rather than pulled, but from the views of the breech there doesnt appear to be anything for it to lock into, or aganst ?
The "lazer" (for gods sakes people, it's LASER!) eyes work the exact same as the breakbeam eyes, just look a hell of a lot cooler. A beam is projected from one eye to the opposite eye, when a ball gets in the way of it, it then breaks that beam and allows the gun to fire.

Just so you know, light moves fast enough you won't have to worry about it :)

Well what do you expect WDP would do? Go along like the rest of the croud? Hell no. They made flashy in paintball. There are very many ways you can improve battery efficiency. A smaller battery has nothing to do with it, as efficiency is looked at in ratios and not units so unspecific as "batteries."

I sincerely doubt WDP will release specific details about their one-of-a-kind design, and why should they? You can't expect, say, Microsoft to release the inner workings behind Windows' security (or lack thereof :) ), so why would WDP release the information of a part that critical to their design so as to be compared with that? And if you're gonna bitch about Angels, then do the same with Intimidators, Matrices and every freaking other high end gun on the market. The changes made to their design are minimal, and always will be. I honestly don't expect WDP to announce any day that they're getting rid of the third tube. Why? Because that would kill their business. Would Bob Long decide to ditch the Clamshell? Or would Dye decide to get rid of the ridiculous bounce? Hell no. That's what made those markers what they are, and they're gonna stay that way, and improve in the same direction, forever. And max BPS stops mattering as soon as you hit 25BPS.

It's a possibility, but I'm sure most Angel users would rather stick with what they have, as it doesn't really make a difference.

This is the most perfect incarnation of the Angel yet. All the small imperfections are completely done away with, and this will result in the best Angel until the G8. :)

Nope, no difference. It looks, though, from what I see in the picture, that they do broadcast a wider light than the IR ones. Whatever the case, it doesn't really matter at all.

I honestly don't see the point in knowing such a fact, but there's probably a spring pushing the rod connecting to the breach backwards (towards the back plate) and when when the knob is switched then the rod is pushed back by the spring and the breach can flop open. Much less problematic than the older breach knobs haha (read "won't break, thank god.")

[kangaroodent]

I love the WDP stuff, but this company is like all others in the paintball industry. They have figured out that a newer vision of an old gun will sell every year. So will the G7 be the last WDP gun? No.
Will the G7 be the only gun even released by WDP for the 2005? I am saying no, because they want to make money so they will release more guns that make people think there old gun, which runs great and is much faster then they can shoot, is slow and out dated. What I do expect is something like "gx3man" says is a changing over to the new laser eyes on the speed.


I can't blame WDP at all, if I was president over the company and releazed that money could be made by even releasing a new gun every 4 months you can beat your life on it I would release one. Then another, and another, and another. Also don't forget about thoughing in a few special ano's in there. So me and everybody else out there is just going to have to deal with it, you can't always have the new hot gun, unless you are willing to spend 4-5 grand a year on markers.

Still a WDP fan for life.
And you're saying the corporation is bad for this? That is the entire point of the corporation, to make money no matter what. Do you think that they will be deliberately stomped on because they refuse to evolve? They made the switch to eyes, really !@#$ing awesome eyes, they made the switch to lighter, faster and kewler looking, and they're going to continue to improve on everything they do forever and ever and ever. WDP evolves, others do not.

And in the end, like always, you have a gun that's basically just the same as the last one. Like every other company out there. Who needs better eye logic? Who needs a slightly more efficient engine? Who needs a faster hard drive? WHO NEEDS ANY OF THESE THINGS?

The answer is, no one. That's the brilliance of the corporation.

[1boobfromSector 7-G]

Kangaroodent, I think you read my entire post with the wrong impression.
Read it again not as a flame, like I think you read it, but more of as a statement of facts. I only said good things about them, at the end I even talk about how if I owned the company I would do this as often as I could to make a profit.
If I owned WDP new guns for you every 4 months!!!!!!!!!!

"WDP evolves, others do not" the company is great, but that is alittle on the crazy side. hahahahhah, just screwing with you man.
Also who is this Till Lindemann????? And does he have any spots open for an butthole? Because I think I qualify well.

[autocane]

The G7 is certianly a nice machine, but I know that I'm definately satisfied with my current Angel. When it comes down to it, they all have the same function. Is anyone here honestly dissatisfied with the way their current Angel throws a paintball at an opponent at 280+/- fps? At a certian point 'innovations' become little more than improvements. I remember watching product videos on the WDP homepage, the guy demonstrating always says something allong the lines of: "can't get any faster than that." But it does get faster...

I give praise to the WDP engineers and staff who continue to refine a wonderfull product in ways that I could not have guessed.

[Emmit]

not reading the entire thread

yes that was a working prototype model at the WDP booth, it was however missing a few items for "Industry Security" ie Ram, valve, LPR etc.

I was told that the LPR would be available for use in the Fly models.

The minireg has 4x the porting as the Speed 05, which supposedly had 4x the porting over the conventional minireg, this means 8x the porting for increased flow.

The valve has undergone some major changes as well.

Retail price according to the guy at the tent is supposed to be 1600.

[dynastySSS]

:( i wish i had enough money

[Won Hunglo]

The G7 is sexier than a dirty mag in band camp.

[SlasherXII]

Is the G7 going to be at this coming tech class? I wanna take a few pics of that beauty for myself.
If a company ceases to innovate, they get left in the dust. IMO it's always best to stay ahead of the pack even if it does come a price. WDP for all I know will only make the best quality products.

[pimpinsaylor]

i like how they made a twist knob instead of a pull knob to open the swinging breach this gun is gonna be sweet plus i cant imagine a gun better then the force fly so i cant wait for the force g7. Next year is gonna be sweet!

[pgaglio]

Maybe I missed it somewhere earlier in the thread, but what purpose is served by the knob on the end of the volumizer?

[Emmit]

Maybe I missed it somewhere earlier in the thread, but what purpose is served by the knob on the end of the volumizer?

if it's similar to the Evolve it's for making some adjustments in the valve chamber.

[KEN CRANE]

if it's similar to the Evolve it's for making some adjustments in the valve chamber.

no it doesnt adjust,it is an atmosphere equaling device.

[aerotcus]

Ok, what does that mean?

[Emmit]

no it doesnt adjust,it is an atmosphere equaling device.

that's why I said if...because that's what the Evolve seems to be doing, and what I got out of talking to someone tweaking on it Saturday night:dunno:

[autocane]

I was told that the LPR would be available for use in the Fly models.

The minireg has 4x the porting as the Speed 05, which supposedly had 4x the porting over the conventional minireg, this means 8x the porting for increased flow.
So the new minireg can be installed into the '4' fly, meaning the minireg was changed... not the reciever body (for the new minireg design).

[Emmit]

So the new minireg can be installed into the '4' fly, meaning the minireg was changed... not the reciever body (for the new minireg design).

no...the LPR and the minireg are different. The LPR used in the G7 is supposed to be compatible with the LPR from the earlier models. They made some design changes to the spring stack etc and it will work on the Fly models.

[gomergomes]

I like the refinement of the feed neck,yet glueing the stock o-rings together creates a nice collar just the same,anyway I hope the g7 parts are available SOON after it comes out of the pearl gates.

[autocane]

no...the LPR and the minireg are different. The LPR used in the G7 is supposed to be compatible with the LPR from the earlier models. They made some design changes to the spring stack etc and it will work on the Fly models.
Sorry man, I know the difference between LPR and the minireg...

Thats just what happens when I post before the coffee is done brewing. :pat:

But I am interested in the improvements made to the LPR, not the minireg.

[tgallo]

they should have included the gauge in the minireg

[kangaroodent]

Kangaroodent, I think you read my entire post with the wrong impression.
Read it again not as a flame, like I think you read it, but more of as a statement of facts. I only said good things about them, at the end I even talk about how if I owned the company I would do this as often as I could to make a profit.
If I owned WDP new guns for you every 4 months!!!!!!!!!!

"WDP evolves, others do not" the company is great, but that is alittle on the crazy side. hahahahhah, just screwing with you man.
Also who is this Till Lindemann????? And does he have any spots open for an butthole? Because I think I qualify well.
Then read the facts in my post. Meh.

And honestly, I can't quite recall the last time Intimidators have had an improvement to their design. Well, if you include chopping off as much metal as possible a design improvement, sure, then they're progressing, but there are one hell of a lot of bugs that need working out in Timmies.

Till Lindemann is Rammsteins' lead singer. Watch one of their concerts, then you'll understand the dildo reference. hahaha

All in all, I thought I'd just attack people for imagining WDP is mildly bad. haha. But honestly, they're the smartest people in paintball right now.

[Tally-Ho]

I touched it and held it .......................thanks Jeff

It sure is sweeettt and as long as it mows Muppets as good as it looks I am getting one. :drools:


Thank God my wife does not read these forums as I just got my Joy and that rocked all through the SD tourney. Mind the Joy and the Rasta were tested at least 3 times each by Refs and they all were visibly impressed when they could not get them to bounce, ramp or whatever. :evilgrin:

Also many thanks to the Ref who decided he needed four hoppers before he was satisfied. :clap:

MANY THANKS to Trevor from Badlands Paintball. :clap:

It was so great to see the support from the Master Techs and WDP. :mt:

BTW great :boobies: at the Angel Tent

[Jouster]

The minireg has 4x the porting as the Speed 05, which supposedly had 4x the porting over the conventional minireg, this means 8x the porting for increased flow.
That'd be 16x.

And Ken--"atmosphere equalizing device": a PRV, or a zero-basis for a gauge or pressure transducer of some sort?

Jouster

[pookai]

Nice gun. I think I will just get my A4 flied though.

maybe you can get your A4 G7'ed

[NCpaintballer]

I'm confused. Ken said that the G7 Hammer & Valve system would fit A4/Fly/05 Speeds and would be available for purchase. He also said the bolt travel is 5mm longer and will only fit the G7.

Isn't the bolt travel tied into the hammer stroke? If that's the case then how will the G7 Hammer fit in the older model Angels w/o the bolt???

Maybe I'm having a brain fart or someting but I'm confused.

[aerotcus]

I hope they make the a back plate for the 05 speed that uses the new breach opener instead of the cheap gay breach knob.

[smasher41]

I think the hammer is a halve derlin/SS combo, or literally a super shaved down a4 hammer. It sounds like the valve and hammer will go into the fly, but the way the ram is rotated for the breach closing (and to push the bolt farther into the breach) i think is what brings the extra 5mm length of the ram so it will NOT go into the fly etc.



I'm confused. Ken said that the G7 Hammer & Valve system would fit A4/Fly/05 Speeds and would be available for purchase. He also said the bolt travel is 5mm longer and will only fit the G7.

Isn't the bolt travel tied into the hammer stroke? If that's the case then how will the G7 Hammer fit in the older model Angels w/o the bolt???

Maybe I'm having a brain fart or someting but I'm confused.

[Spedracer]

anyone notice the anno is white? it didnt think white annos were possible.

[Winnebago]

anyone notice the anno is white? it didnt think white annos were possible.


looks silver dust to me...

[esandov]

Quick Questions;

Aside from valving, have there been any major modifications to say the bolt design?

Will the previous toolkits still work to make adjustments?

Will the the new valving system be retrofittable to the Speed 05 or have there been changes to the internal chamber diameters?

Ultimately is this a design overhall or complete redesign?

[ufcd98]

if you'll read the entire thread, Ken Crane answered that the new valve and eyes will be available for installation into existing speed05s and angel 4/flys.
steve

[SQUID_warrior]

anyone notice the anno is white? it didnt think white annos were possible.

It is silver dust, I saw it in person in San Deigo.

[apellon]

Atmosphere equalization sounds to me like an on/off. degass device.

[Paintballjc]

I hope they make the a back plate for the 05 speed that uses the new breach opener instead of the cheap gay breach knob.

Nope, wont happen. Because its not operated by a long metal piece anymore. It uses the bolt by pushing it forward to keep the breech closed.

[AngelFourKid]

Not to bash WDP in any way, (well kinda) but why do they release half of an initial gun design and then 6 months later release the final product?

First the Speed then the A4 and finally the Fly. All based (somewhat) on the same design.

Now... 05Speed which is leading to the "G7"

It's like they release a prototype, sell it to make money, then release the final design and make more money.... It's like we (the consumer) are being used as testers for their un-finished designs.

Sorry to sound like I'm bitchin, but it just seems that way.

I know this is kinda late, seeing as I just registered(im new to the Angel family) I agree with what Raoul said here. I still heart WDP and will not go back to any other gun, I love my Angel :)

[ZoomZoom]

im there when it comes up for sale

[Karnivor]

Will I be able to upgrade my 4fly

[three fut nuthin]

looks very nice will somthing simalr to the FLY conversion for LCD's be around for that? im still for the FLY nd it will be mine...when im not broke

[Crazy4Paintball1]

I have mixed feelings about this gun as well....I think it looks pretty cool and has some cool stuff on it...just wondering if it is worth the 1500-1600 As for people saying the milling looks the same as everything else....you can only do so many "custom" mill jobs on guns...people start copying and stuff to them...so all guns look the same...they really cant do anything about that...unless they go back to the old LED style of no milling...that would be something new...

[streetluger56]

i think it needs a lower feedneck

[flash5165]

Better sell my other kidney to afford it!

hey, you only need 1 kidney to still live, right? im down for that

[woogman]

sounds sweet, looks like ill have a new gun next season ;)

[Skinny C]

i wanna know what the red/green led is on the other side of the lcd? i think it looks so sexy.

[p8ntsean45]

in SD the guy said there would be price tag of around $1600!!! I thinkthisisjust way to much for a stock gun, how is wdp going to compete with a price this high?

[pgaglio]

in SD the guy said there would be price tag of around $1600!!! I thinkthisisjust way to much for a stock gun, how is wdp going to compete with a price this high?
The Ripper is actually more ($1,695) on some sites. I'd rather have the G7 than any Timmy.

[SlasherXII]

in SD the guy said there would be price tag of around $1600!!! I thinkthisisjust way to much for a stock gun, how is wdp going to compete with a price this high?
Whoa, whoa! What's wrong with stock? When you buy an Angel you don't need to upgrade it in anyway! WDP put the best there is in the G7. Do you see anyone changing anything in their gun? Not that you should though... but what i'm saying is that you get what you pay for. There is a significant perfomance difference from the Speed 05 to the G7.

[pimpinsaylor]

knowing wdp, no. the angel will only get smaller and better, every new angel gun proves this



the gun is mamba04

goto www.cobrapaintball.com for more info
so haveing internail eyes makes the marker bigger?

[Chaos_Lord]

G-UNIT!!! That is the best name!!! will there be a MT force 7??

[ludo]

Whoa, whoa! What's wrong with stock? When you buy an Angel you don't need to upgrade it in anyway! WDP put the best there is in the G7. Do you see anyone changing anything in their gun? Not that you should though... but what i'm saying is that you get what you pay for. There is a significant perfomance difference from the Speed 05 to the G7.


I'm not sure the performace will be so different... The laser eye will be an upgrade for Speed '05 the rest is a story of LCD board and new cut! However I also prefere to spend my money for an Angel G7 than any kind of timmy!

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

actually the g7 has a few other little tweaks and such that they didnt mention yet, and from wat i hear its worth it

[Crazy Train]

Can't wait to drop some G7 parts in my JD Fly.

[f2f4]

Okay, I'm still really confused about the LPR/volumiser/knob of doom, and it's function.

Someone care to explain just what the "atmosphere equalizing device" does???
Is it possible to replace the volumiser with an aftermarkerket one? Because I really hate the whole assemetric (sp?) look goin' on here.

Please help... someone... I'm so lost right now... :nervous:

[js3324]

Is WDP becoming the kingman of two years ago? coming out with a new gun every like 4 days, lol...seriously what happened to the WDP of the ir3 days..
ugh

[PakmanRevd]

Meh, thought everyone already knew.

I want the G7 to fly :D

[SlasherXII]

:sshh: should you really be saying that? :nono:

[PakmanRevd]

:sshh: should you really be saying that? :nono:

::whistles:: what are you talking about??

:D

[SlasherXII]

ha, you sly little man... you know what I was taking about. thnx for editing LOL
hope to see you in chat!

[Winnebago]

Is WDP becoming the kingman of two years ago? coming out with a new gun every like 4 days, lol...seriously what happened to the WDP of the ir3 days..
ugh


they have made it very clear that they are coming out with 2 new guns a year.

[winter001]

:dito Its not like every gun is the same either, they are constantly improving, and thats a good thing. 2 new guns a year is great if its constant improvement, besides how else is WDP going to keep up with the competition who just produce something milled differently and call it an improvement

[lazerman2182]

ya im stickign with the speed 05 cuz the g7 looks stupid but im sure its tight as hell

[pookai]

6 month product cycle is not bad. most things electronical have the same idea...

[ZoomZoom]

two a year the first is the proto for the second

[Snooky]

Read through the thread however don't understand if the bolt would or would not be compatible with the fly a4. Seemed to me like it wouldn't be but then it was said that the valve and hammer would be retrofit however didn't know if that ment the bolt would be or not.

Thanks

[pimpinsaylor]

Can't wait to drop some G7 parts in my JD Fly.
well thats what im thinkin. i love how they improve there products but 2 guns a year is just retarted lets hope the g7 goes back to the 1 gun a year (or maby 2!!!).

[Angel05]

Kangaroodent, I think you read my entire post with the wrong impression.
Read it again not as a flame, like I think you read it, but more of as a statement of facts. I only said good things about them, at the end I even talk about how if I owned the company I would do this as often as I could to make a profit.
If I owned WDP new guns for you every 4 months!!!!!!!!!!

"WDP evolves, others do not" the company is great, but that is alittle on the crazy side. hahahahhah, just screwing with you man.
Also who is this Till Lindemann????? And does he have any spots open for an butthole? Because I think I qualify well.
Good for us you never own WDP. Some pplz need at least 4 month to save money. I'm shure G7 where on papers at least a year. Imagine you go to web site and look at 30 Angels with minimal diffrence!!

[XXPaintDemonXX]

cant wait to check this out

[tgallo]

well thats what im thinkin. i love how they improve there products but 2 guns a year is just retarted lets hope the g7 goes back to the 1 gun a year (or maby 2!!!).

Even if it is 2 guns a year it's only 1 full blown gun a year. The speed is just the no frills line.

[Angel05]

I like my Speed05 a lot. G7 is Hot no offence. At this point you can go with G7 if you want to spend more money or get more advanced piece. I never had so reliable gun as Angel and haven’t broke a paint from over 10 cases.

[Chaos_Lord]

G7 is teh sexiest angel EVER!

[TrashDoG]

KEN PLEASE, WHAT is that knob on the volumiser? You caused me to read ALL 9 PAGES only to see it asked once a page :) lol. Is it jsut the way the volumiser looks? or does it actually do something?

And as for those complaining about Angel coming out with new guns.. Ive read other people's arguments, and those are good, but most importantly. THE 05 SPEED IS $995 OR LESS. THIS IS $1600. It's better, and with that comes a much higher price tag.

Now I dont know, but Id say some of you complaining may own the 05 speed... Like me (but im not complaining)> Would you rather the 05 speed be as good as this, but $500+ more? I sure as hell wouldnt, or I'd be istting here with a A4 instead of this 05 speed which I love 10000000 times more.

[iwanaspeed]

sounds awesome

[ZoomZoom]

if money ment every thing i would have got a fly before the 05 speed but id rather have the 05 sped that the fly because of the better trigger design

[f2f4]

KEN PLEASE, WHAT is that knob on the volumiser? You caused me to read ALL 9 PAGES only to see it asked once a page :) lol.
Same here, lol.

[pimpinsaylor]

Even if it is 2 guns a year it's only 1 full blown gun a year. The speed is just the no frills line.
thats the thing i dont likemost people think of the angel (no mater what generation) the best high end marker avalible. i dont want wdp becoming like smartparts and makeing a newbie or midclass marker

[pimpinsaylor]

they have made it very clear that they are coming out with 2 new guns a year.
well aslo take into consideration that wdp spent some time on this marker. just like they did with the ir3 so someting revolutionary might happen

[angel4life1]

the bolt is not compatible because its a little longer and also when you close the breach you turn the knob on the back and it pushes the bolt forward more so there isnt all the ball rollback as in all the previous angels. :smiley:

[JackalVR6]

Does anyone know for sure yet when the release date is and what parts of the G7 will fit the fly, minus the lazer eyes?
thanks

[Bloodblade]

Does anyone know for sure yet when the release date is and what parts of the G7 will fit the fly, minus the lazer eyes?
thanks


word, i'd like to see official information on this, not just speculation...ken what are the answers to these questions?

[Crazy Train]

I thought the bolt was suppose to be the same size but the turn knob just pushes it into the breech to keep the breech closed. A longer bolt would require a longer breech.

[SlasherXII]

Exactly! It's visually longer than the original A4 bolt. And as you just said, the turnknob pushes it in, so in theory you can't used the ram for the older angels because it doesn't require the use of the the ram adjuster and I believe it doesn't have the threading. So can't swap bolts and ram. The hammer is most likely swappable. The solonoid is not swappable because it doesn't use the blue plate you'd normally see on the bottom. It's design is different because it was placed sideways so the exhaust ports are located in a different spot.

[shaq787]

first of all, angel should never be compared to kingmann like that. kingman renamed a gun cause it came in another collor. the g7 looks great, it remindes me of what Rosavelt said."speak softly and cary a big stick" it doesnt have to be flashy, just being an angel demands respect on the field(allong with the refs checkin it after every game for ramp or bounce).
it looks like those nubs on the mini-reg are just there for grip. like the ones under the trigger frame.
the name could mean that it will be better than any timmy until atlest 2007?
and so what if wdp just releaces another gun next fall, how much better could it possibly be.

[shaq787]

has anyone else noticed that they made more room around the external trigger adjustments. i noticed it after a few mins of zonin out starin into the moniter. it is my wallpaper(the cgi pic that ken posted somwere around page 10) it makes a real nice wallpaper.

[SlasherXII]

Here's another pix with me in it

[shaq787]

there is so much more milling on this than my speed 05 and old speed. the trigger frame has that hole in it. around the grip. EVERYWHERE

[spider]

The G7 look really hot... But I hope they scrap the twistlock feedneck and slap on a lever clamping one instead like the headklamp from hybrid.
http://www.hybrid-paintball.com/pages/prod-hedklamp.html

[Raoul]

Has the Barrel threading length changed on the G7 compared to other Angels?

Another PbN rumor... Just wondering.

[shaq787]

good question. but i dont think they would do something like that. it would get really confusing and everyone would have to sell all their old stuff just for a new kit. unless they are makin thier own barell kit just for the g7. that would be really cool

[Bloodblade]

its been said the the new threading is backwards compatible

[shaq787]

wow whered u hear that.

[SlasherXII]

Threading is the same. The part of the G7's barrel that goes into gun is shorter and can't be used on older angels. There is going to be a gap in the breech. I've tried my Evil Pipe on the G7 and it just sticks out a bit from where the barrel meets the gun.

[OldManWoodys]

What!?!? Are you saying that the breach is actually shorter where the barrel goes into the gun? Would a regular Angel barrel even be secure in a G7, since all of the threads wouldn't be fed into the gun body?

[pimpinsaylor]

i cant wait till i get ahold of this

[TrashDoG]

so how big of an improvment will the internals be? I just bought my 05 speed but if the G7 internals are much better, whatever can be upgraded I would like to upgrade :)

[TrashDoG]

Will the VOlumiser and the 1 piece collar in the feedneck fit 05 Speeds or earlier models?

I really want a smooth volumiser to match the 05 speed rahter than one of the older ones which have milling

[OldManWoodys]

I know the collar will work for sure. Bob had one in a Force Fly of his about a week ago.

[JTp8ntballer12]

2 years ago speed was released during the summer... this year the 05 speed was released in the summer

the a4 was released around the time of the world cup. this year the g7 was realeased at the cup

last year at hb the a4 fly was introduced. im guessing that a new angel will come out at huntington beach or the second nppl event

[onihc]

I dont know why Angel is doing this
So many guns in so little time

[TrashDoG]

I dont know why Angel is doing this
So many guns in so little time

I dont know why People keep doing this. All comapnies make new guns. Why is the G7 a bad thing, G7 is for people who want TOP of the line, 05 Speed is slightly worse (LED), for $600 less.

And by the way, the company is WDP, not Angel. Angel is the gun.

[onihc]

but now fly's and 05's worth nothing
imagine the a4 sorry for them

[Winnebago]

but now fly's and 05's worth nothing
imagine the a4 sorry for them

your head is not screwed on straight if you're buying guns as investment... and expect them to maintain or go up in value. think of them as cars... depreciates over time.

i love the older guns being cheaper... i can get a cheap a4 or speed and shoot 31bps... get a cheap ir3 or lcd...(edit: predator it) and shoot 25+ bps...

go whine somewhere else.

[captncrunch]

You aren't touching 25+ bps with an ir3 or lcd lol

[onihc]

lol

[Winnebago]

fergot to mention predatored ir3 or lcd...


if the gun is pneumatically capable of 25+ full cycles... then all you gotta do is:

1) install a board that'll let you shoot more than 25+ full cycles. EyeQ and Predator comes to mind...

2) find a loader that'll feed 25+ bps...


next?

[speedfreakspb]

The Q loader, capable of feeding 30 bps :)

Sorry man, just had to ;)

[Assault]

You aren't touching 25+ bps with an ir3 or lcd lol

Where have you been?

My modified ir3 will hit 25bps.

Anyway if you think about how cut throat the Paintball market has become, you have to keep up the quality of your markers otherwise you will get some other company coming out with something and everyone will move to that.
Not everyone is as die hard a WDP fan as the people on here and they will trade up their angel to get the new shocker or whatever because apparently its the latest and greatest thing and therefore WDP will lose out if they dont keep evolving their markers.
To add to that WDP has been at the forefront of marker technology since they started and they are contuously making improvements to their designs. Why not make them available? better than not releasing a new speed or A4/G7 etc. for 2 years when they will easily fall behind in the marker game.
I think its great they are constantly making better models.

[sjammer]

i have been looking for any kind of information of a release date. is there other info other than jan or feb of 05?

[dynastySSS]

no.........

[smasher41]

all i know, is that all my tax return will probably end up gonig to WDP for this gun LOL

[davew]

all i know, is that all my tax return will probably end up gonig to WDP for this gun LOL


same here :)

[TrashDoG]

Where have you been?

My modified ir3 will hit 25bps.

He was prolly reffering to the stock ones, not a custom-modded one

[pimpinsaylor]

Where have you been?

My modified ir3 will hit 25bps.

Anyway if you think about how cut throat the Paintball market has become, you have to keep up the quality of your markers otherwise you will get some other company coming out with something and everyone will move to that.
Not everyone is as die hard a WDP fan as the people on here and they will trade up their angel to get the new shocker or whatever because apparently its the latest and greatest thing and therefore WDP will lose out if they dont keep evolving their markers.
To add to that WDP has been at the forefront of marker technology since they started and they are contuously making improvements to their designs. Why not make them available? better than not releasing a new speed or A4/G7 etc. for 2 years when they will easily fall behind in the marker game.
I think its great they are constantly making better models.
its sad that fewpaintball players are hardcore anymore

[drewbug3]

according to the post it on the original g7 pix the g7 will be out in a couple of days, cause it is hitting mid jan. and another thread said he could reserve his in mid jan, so hopefully next week! :snag:

[Knowledge]

Welp

Dont take the hammer to the piggybank yet...

They had a few setbacks the new release date is mid-late February... That info is from yesterday straight from the WDP...


Peace

[sjammer]

Welp

Dont take the hammer to the piggybank yet...

They had a few setbacks the new release date is mid-late February... That info is from yesterday straight from the WDP...


Peace

Did you get that info from the website? I have been trying to find release date info on wdp's site and cant find s$$$.

[Knowledge]

Welp I got the info from my contact in WDP, Im a customer of theirs and thats what they've said to me yesterday.


Peace

[October Fly]

Is a contact at WDP an ugrade available to all Angel owners?

[JackalVR6]

There is some discrepancy on the barrel threads, can anyone confirm that they actually will be different?

[ralfelor]

:hititraw: Are they discontinuing the A4 Fly with the release of this marker?

[jesus]

I would imagine so.
Nastalgia moment - I was just considering buying this when i remembered my first gun. Gloss black Spyder TL plus, with the ESP frame, what a beast. I also rembered the first time I got shot. It was in the left shin, by my brother. Everyone reads this thread every day hoping for new info to come out but in the mean time someone (thats not me, im lazy) start a nastalgia moment thread where everyone can tell how they got started in paintball. Imagine a young master tech pimping out a Tippman (i've seen a DM4 tippman hybrid before)

[Knowledge]

Is a contact at WDP an ugrade available to all Angel owners?

Welp it sure it is if you buy a lot of their stuff/year. You just call them open an account sell cca. 50 angels & misc a year and they will give you info too :)

Cheers

[SlasherXII]

There is some discrepancy on the barrel threads, can anyone confirm that they actually will be different?
No, the threading is still the same. The only difference you will see is that when you put in a barrel from a post-Speed 05 generation into the G7, it will go in all the way in but the part that goes flush against the gun has some exposure. I think I read somewhere one of the MTs is designing a ring to compensate for this exposure.

[draper_steve]

hey if no one like thought of this already but im sure someone has,

myabe they call it G7 because it is classified. like "G7 classified"

i dont know but its like in movies and stuff.

hah

[draper_steve]

or maybe thats G 14 who knows

[speedmarvelizeR]

ha... haha.... :hitit:

[Outerice]

No, the threading is still the same. The only difference you will see is that when you put in a barrel from a post-Speed 05 generation into the G7, it will go in all the way in but the part that goes flush against the gun has some exposure. I think I read somewhere one of the MTs is designing a ring to compensate for this exposure.

a ring????? Try an o-ring made of rubber

[WDP ir3 2k3]

looks like i might have to sell my rasta to get one

[BATTLESPORTS831]

I believe that the G stands for Genosis.... That was the Project name when they started developement of the marker...... I dont know what the 7 is for.....

[kingrich]

may be the:
angel4 - 4
fly - 5
05 speed-6
G7- 7

its probabaly sopused to be the 7th generation of the angel

[BATTLESPORTS831]

that sounds good to me .....

[shaq787]

itl take the competition till 2007 to catch up to the G7.

[Rogue_Force7227]

i have mixed feelings about the g7, it looks great and will probly perform better. I just dont see the point in buying it tho. I see people wanting to sell their 4 flys, i would kill to get one of those. Im pretty damn happy with my ir3.

[speedmarvelizeR]

some poeple are, i really want to buy it just because it will be hella fast, and i want to put it on demo mode to see it go as fast as it can, and i want it for the bling purpose, i mean cmon man, its a G7.

[BATTLESPORTS831]

I cant wait for the begining of 2006 that going to be the §§§§............ The G8? Maybe thats what its called who knows..........LMAO

[October Fly]

I'll wait for the G9

[masterdebater]

I dont know why Angel is doing this
So many guns in so little time


well not really.. they only release 1 or 2 guns a year...

id have to say,

I dont know why wdp is doing this.
So many guns so little money.

[pimpinsaylor]

well not really.. they only release 1 or 2 guns a year...

id have to say,

I dont know why wdp is doing this.
So many guns so little money.
there always improving there products

[masterdebater]

there always improving there products


lol... do they really need to be improved? i thought angels were perfect? maybe god was wrong lol

[Gx7E10]

This means resale value will go down on current angels, time to buy a backup. :)

[masterdebater]

This means resale value will go down on current angels, time to buy a backup. :)

maybe ill get my angel speed 05 in may...oooo

[AngelBoi]

maybe ill get my angel speed 05 in may...oooo

exactly. Its good for the consumer.

[Switch_SE]

Think of it this way :)

angel speed 5 is new! and its a AWSOME marker if you plan on getting this one u should not be disapointed becouse its a real machine.

just say G7 is its big brother with a few details for ppl like me :)

so either u get bigbrother or u dont :)

[Juggernout]

"The big brother" has so many new features that u nearly can't compare it to the speed 05 !

- new LPR
- new valve
- lighter (!!!)
- new ram
- new eveything !

I love it !

[masterdebater]

"The big brother" has so many new features that u nearly can't compare it to the speed 05 !

- new LPR
- new valve
- lighter (!!!)
- new ram
- new eveything !

I love it !

god damn.... i knew something like that would happen, but im gonna put all the g7 stuff in my speed 05 when i get oh