Force 4 Fly Problem

[BIGWILL]

Ok here is what gun is doing,just got it back a month ago from Ken,he tuned it , greased it,re did trigger job,shot fine the first weekend,went to tourney ,first game fine, second game it was like it was skiping,you go to walk the trigger and you may get 5-6 balls to rip then walk it some more and nothing then 1-2 balls then nothing,yes a ball did bust or chop,I cleaned it out real good with air and still same thing.I thought maybe it was the halo so I tried a total of 4 different hoppers and still skips,I cleaned it again with air into the eyes,still skipping,so needless to say I had to use someone elses gun,I got home,by the way full charge,and I checked the orings in the feedneck and the air was turned on, I called Ken told him what it was doing he said remove eyes and clean,I followed his directions,removed Eyes per all the notes on this site along with Kens info I cleaned them with warm water and used a can of air to blow out anything that maybe in the eye sockets,I cleaned the eyes them selves i used clean tissue and q tips so to get them tidy,I re installed all like it should ,recharged gun ,cked air it was on,cked the orings in feed neck ,did a eye test it passed,fired gun same thing,If I turn eyes off gun dry fires fine ,it rips non stop with eyes off,turn eyes on it skips or stutters,you can single pull the trigger like 1-1-1-1-1-1 and it is fine try ripping and it skips,any help would be nice before I have to ship this puppy off to Ken again.Thanks for any help.

[rix123]

...just for s#i+s & giggles, try backing the TOE screw off about 1/8 or 1/4 a turn, then test it with paint and eyes on....

[az'rail]

i was getting the same problems....i was using a halo b with v-board(on highest setting). i was using some small bore paint i found out the loader was pushing the ball back into the bolt behind the eyes, so the eyes were not detecting a ball present. also when ever i did an eye test it would pass. the way i found out is i put a 3 ball stack in the tube and then applyed some pressure to see if the ball in the chamber would roll back behind the eyes.

[BIGWILL]

I will try both,I will ahve to say that I was using field paint which was a smaller bore and the paint I used after cleaning the eyes was also smaller so with that being said all the paint shoot while this has happeneed the paint is smaller than what I normally shoot,but tht sounds strange that would effect the gun that much,I will try a larger bore and I will adjust the toe,anymore tips before I do anything else,it will be Sunday before I get a chance to do this,Thanks guys

[rix123]

..BigWill, check this out this link --> http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?p=285887#post285887

..assuming you have the MT Mag mod, the 'concept' is the pretty much the same for the 05-Speed triggers..

[BIGWILL]

Thanks for all the help it will be at the end of the week before I can try all the above ideas,this is why I bought and angel,due to the support from fellow angel owners ,I feel like Im at an AA meeting with all this help,thanks guys,I will let you know what happens

[BIGWILL]

My only guess,is that it was the toe,all other ideas didnt fix,reading the 05 thread helped thanks,now the toe adjustment and adjusting the wheels fixed it,maynot be as Ken set it up but hey it shoots now and I can do battle this weekend,thanks all. :worthy: