Angels being pulled at world cup

[r6will]

I heard that all of the angels at cup were being pulled because they cant stop them from ramping.

[C.Carles-AOG]

You can read reports of it at www.68caliber.com

[smasher41]

I was pulled for a ramping fly at cup, it sucked. yet i watched jsut as many dm4's and such p[ass on no problem.

i think the biggest downfall to this was the bias in the refs, i noticed a hekc of a lot of checking on flys and such, where the ignored dm4s and timmies. hell my timmy switch must have worn out yet again, cause when i had to shoot it it was shooting sometimes 3 per pull, yet no ref questioned it. but my fly was checked almost every other game for ramp, and after the intial pull for ramp, they couldnt get it to do it again. hey, its not my fault my gun is capable of cycling faster than any other type out there!

[Sparco]

Smasher, what TR and LP version were you using at the time? I guess I'm curious to hear the settings for each marker when they pulled or questioned.

[emoasian]

is ramping where is fires more than one ball per pull? like auto?

[deamon32]

not like fully auto, the gun will shoot more than your pulling it, but normally when you stop pulling the trigger the gunw ill stop firing. thats with no bounce but ramp. it happens when you start to walk the trigger fast

[WDP ir3 2k3]

not like fully auto, the gun will shoot more than your pulling it, but normally when you stop pulling the trigger the gunw ill stop firing. thats with no bounce but ramp. it happens when you start to walk the trigger fast


Can you stop the Ramp?

[deamon32]

lower bounce, if i run my gun at 1tr i get pretty much no ramp at tr 5 you can feel the ramp kick in

[Scott7d]

I started the day at TR 7 and ended up on 3. When i had it at 5, some pubecent little freak at the chrono told me to turn it down because "it was like.....uhh... shooting 4 balls". I watched him, and it was shooting one ball per pull, but he pulled the trigger 4 times. I have the Mt trigger and magnet mod and my gun on TR 1 is still fast, but i saw some DM4's goin nuts at the chrono and on the field and nothing was done about it.

[Raoul]

Isn't anybody gonna say it? There's already a SP conspiracy theory (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=698880) going around about a game that wasn't played at the Cup, do you think the brothers Gardner had anything to do with this?

[dynastySSS]

if your gun manufacture isnt a big time sponsor of the psp you will have greater chances of getting you gun pulled..

[Raoul]

Hahaha, well put!

[Furby]

My LCD (which has been flyed) went to WC with the TR set to 2 and hopper set to "Fast" on software version 3.5. It got pulled for 'adding shots'....turns out it was a Swedish ref and I caught up with him on P8ntballer...check it out HERE (http://67.19.5.132/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38730&pagenumber=3)

Eventually I got an apology and a half-assed admission that he'd poohed the scrooch, but it was a fight...Bryan did a good job of laying down the smack as well...being arrogant doesn't work when your opponent is as smart as you are and better spoken....tee hee.

[KEN CRANE]

Can you stop the Ramp?

tr1 with any software version and adds NO shots its in a 100% filter mode and true semi.

[bigfootimp]

Well no matter what event it is, that same b.s. is gonna happen. Every tourney that I have been involved with has never checked a timmy for bounce regardless of how obvious it was. I think that really sucks because at NCPA Nationals I was checking out this guy's timmy and walked the trigger really slow and it shot twice as fast as I was pulling it. Thing is that they get away with it all the time because they have been doing it the longest. With my TR set on 1 on my fly I can hit 24 bps and get checked while a timmy doesn't....tell me there ain't something wrong with that. I can respect timmies for their ability to shoot fast (even if it is illegal) and if people want to spend $1000+ on a glorified spyder then that is their business, but if you are gonna check one marker for bounce, because of how fast it shoots, then check all of the markers shooting just as fast or posibly faster also.

[smasher41]

Smasher, what TR and LP version were you using at the time? I guess I'm curious to hear the settings for each marker when they pulled or questioned.

LP 3.5
Dwell 7
hopper SFAST
Tr 2 ( a setting of 7 would not bounce or continue shooting when trigger was let go, so i figured 2 was more than safe after trying it) i honestly had no idea it was ramping, because i dont try to pull the trigger slow, im always walking at a very high rate, on any gun.
I considered TR a "debounce" setting, which is to elimanate mechanical/ electrical bounce, my setting in that cause would be perfectly legal.



Note: the board was replaced by Ken and it was working fine after that, but the last game a team mate used it and walked off and pulled me aside, and said did you not learn your lesson yesterday? I guess it wasnt fixed LOL

Yesterday, i got a case of paint and sat there shooting my gun to set the TR and such up. at Tr 1 with a dwell of 7ms, it still appeared to "add shots" once i hit a steady rof, but couldnt this be attributed to the decreased cycle time allowing the halo to possibly step up and actaully feed the rate at which i was truely pulling? Without that "click" its a gues to the actual ROF your pulling the trigger

I upped the dwell to 8ms, and nothing, a true 1 shot 1 pull to what the refs would say. guess what, i was hitting 19 instead of 21.

dynastySSS,
" if your gun manufacture isnt a big time sponsor of the psp you will have greater chances of getting you gun pulled.. "

very true, I asked if i could pull a dm4 at random that passed on the same field no problems to see if they ramped, he declined, saying its not about another gun.


Edite: im going to play nice about my feelings towards PSP and their ruling.

[BuNkErEd]

psp sux. nuff said. i like to think as psp being national tournaments' retarded cousin.

[bigfootimp]

:pointandl psp sux. nuff said. i like to think as psp being national tournaments' retarded cousin.


That's some funny $hit

[pookai]

Angel haters...

[r6will]

what have i started LOL :lol:

[Furby]

The beginnings of change, hopefully?

[bigfootimp]

The beginnings of change, hopefully?

I certainly hope so...but I will more than likely be out of tourney play by the time it changes. :sad:

[r6will]

yea i hope so too, too much throat slashing in this industry

[Talon]

I was having a strange issue at Cup as well. The first day there didn't seem to be any problems. After the day the only thing I did was use some air in a can to clean out the eyes. The second day I was having serious bounce issues with my TR at 1 and hopper set to SFAST because I was using a Halo. Even changing the hopper to MED still allowed for bounce at the chrono. The only thing that fixed it was lengthing the pull and putting the activation point in the middle of it, which made it uncomfortable and slower than I'm used to. I have the magnetic trigger and I like a short, no nonsense pull.

[KEN CRANE]

LP 3.5
Dwell 7
hopper SFAST
Tr 2 ( a setting of 7 would not bounce or continue shooting when trigger was let go, so i figured 2 was more than safe after trying it) i honestly had no idea it was ramping, because i dont try to pull the trigger slow, im always walking at a very high rate, on any gun.
I considered TR a "debounce" setting, which is to elimanate mechanical/ electrical bounce, my setting in that cause would be perfectly legal.



Note: the board was replaced by Ken and it was working fine after that, but the last game a team mate used it and walked off and pulled me aside, and said did you not learn your lesson yesterday? I guess it wasnt fixed LOL

Yesterday, i got a case of paint and sat there shooting my gun to set the TR and such up. at Tr 1 with a dwell of 7ms, it still appeared to "add shots" once i hit a steady rof, but couldnt this be attributed to the decreased cycle time allowing the halo to possibly step up and actaully feed the rate at which i was truely pulling? Without that "click" its a gues to the actual ROF your pulling the trigger

I upped the dwell to 8ms, and nothing, a true 1 shot 1 pull to what the refs would say. guess what, i was hitting 19 instead of 21.

dynastySSS,
" if your gun manufacture isnt a big time sponsor of the psp you will have greater chances of getting you gun pulled.. "

very true, I asked if i could pull a dm4 at random that passed on the same field no problems to see if they ramped, he declined, saying its not about another gun.


Edite: im going to play nice about my feelings towards PSP and their ruling.

on tr1 your gun cannot and will not add shots . what you are seeing is the true speed of the fly.as the hopper spools up you are now feeding the gun at its true ability to shoot 22-25.it may seem as if its adding shots or "ramping" (man do i hate that word) but uts not .tr1 is a total filter and removes all false signals that would add shots.lets stop using the stupid word ramping please.

[smasher41]

Ken, notice is said "appeared". I dont doubt the posilibity of my halo kicking in and finally feeding my fly what it can do, in fact it makes complete sense, cause my v35 halo really speeds up as paint passes the eyes and it spin the cone to rewind at a much faster rate than when no ball is detected.

The reason I still made an effort to slow it down was the fact that the ranom ref may not feel the same way, and i think he has a slight bit more control on what is and is not legal. bottom line, i dont want any more BS called because some turd-for-brain ref decides its not possible that im pulling as fast as im shooting.

[Maxpayne2k4]

Probably because hes one of hundred of biased a$$holes who sold thier angels and bought a timmy because someone at the field told them timmies were the best, now the trend is going to DM4's
But they wont pull those bitc#e$ because then there wont be any1 left to play. Just keep in the back of your mind what Ken said set your TR at 1 and tell them its in a 100% filter mode and true semi. Dont miss with your trigger settings for noone.

[Furby]

The reason I still made an effort to slow it down was the fact that the ranom ref may not feel the same way, and i think he has a slight bit more control on what is and is not legal. bottom line, i dont want any more BS called because some turd-for-brain ref decides its not possible that im pulling as fast as im shooting.

I loved it when Rosie told me that there are three people in the industry who can legally pull over 20bps...I pointed to the guy who was using my LCD when it got pulled and said "Well, meet #4!"

[smasher41]

I loved it when Rosie told me that there are three people in the industry who can legally pull over 20bps...I pointed to the guy who was using my LCD when it got pulled and said "Well, meet #4!"

wow, that shows true ignorance and stupidity. I doubt rosie knows EVERYONE that plays paintball, granted ive seen some wicked fast shooters, and i know rosie doesnt know them.

I love the smart comment you made, i would have loved to see the look on his face

[Raoul]

Seriously, until the manuafacturers are not allowed to sponser and dictate what goes and what doesn't go at an event, you're gonna have BS like this.

It's just like any other sporting event (Formula1 comes to mind), the sponsers need to be separated from the running of event. The PSP and NPPL or whoever can *say* they're running the show, but there hasta be a lot of back-door favoritism going on, and only because there's no-one there to stop it. There's no overseer (sp?) of the rules, no ruling organization that is independent of the sponsers *and* the event organizers.

Face it, they're all in bed together and the one that throws the most money at the hotel manager, get's the best bed!

[C.Carles-AOG]

In the NPPL a robot is used, no marginal calls from a ref with no method of proving it like the PSP.

[Maxpayne2k4]

as they stated before PSP is NPPL's Poor Retarded brother that they pretend doesnt exist.