GRR! This is making me mad!

[PakmanRevd]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Explanation points aside..

I tried the following:

Dwell: 10/11/12 TR: 1/2/3/ Hopper: SFAST and trigger tweaking.. it is not the hopper, I have tried more then one. Eggy, 2 Halos. no go.

Today after playing with my gun (almost) flawlessly at the tourny the weekend before, i was shooting 13bps max.. :aww:

Vantage helped me before i sent it to bob, we went through all my settings, everything was set fine, but it still wouldn't work right.

Well, I'm really tired and I'd like to get this fixed, if you need any additional info, feel free to ask.

Bob, if you can get me on AIM I'd appreciate it. I think I might be sending it back for you to have another look at it. Thanks man.

Thanks for any help!

[rix123]

I can't help but ask the question..."Did you change ANY setting after getting it back from Bob?"

My own personal experience with my ForceFly has seen it where when I disassembled it, cleaned it thoroughly, re-greased & lubed everything...I had a problem w/the LPR settings. Dropped from 54psi to 38psi after I re-assembled it. That alone seemed to affect it's cps. I couldn't get it above 40 psi until I disassembled it again, found I over tightened the rear portion of the LPR. Re-did it, working fine now. Set my LPR to 60-62 psi, TR-2, Dwell-9 & mini-reg @ 200 psi. It is cooking again!! +24bps is the norm, not the exception (HaloV35)

I can't help but think that as Ken said before in the other thread, most of the problem has been user-oriented. Read that as "tweaking it" after the MT has already tweaked it. Gotta balance ALL the parts of the equation...

[BoB]

Make sure you give it a good charge and re-check your new trigger adjustments. Let me know what happens.

[PakmanRevd]

i had it charging the whole 45 minute drive up there, and while we were waiting for people to show. I'll do more trigger adjustments today. I'll let you know.

[Sparco]

Make sure the TOE isn't backing itself out. I had fixed a problem for a teammate last weekend and it turns out the blue loctite hadn't dried on his TOE screw and it was backing itself out as he shot the marker throughout the day. Finally by the mid-afternoon he couldn't get above 10bps!

[PakmanRevd]

I can dryfire extremely fast, It's with paint when it shoots slow.

So, I'm assuming it's not my trigger.

[Maxpayne2k4]

i never knew the toe backs itself in...

[Sparco]

i never knew the toe backs itself in...

In...? Who said that? I said out. But yes, I've seen isolated incidents where that has happened. Some sort of thread lock resolves that issue.

[PakmanRevd]

rix I did change the trigger settings only cuz there was a ton of bounce, The dryfire speed is still very fast so it's not the trigger. It has to be something with the eyes.

Anyody have an ideas? I ran a billion q-tips over the eyes. And I keep doing a drop test it passes every single one. 10/10 20/20...

[Maxpayne2k4]

i dunno, i feel maybe you need to get the trigger adjusted to your personal preference. You got to get the feel of the gun. I find that my angel shoots faster with paint ran threw it then without. It kinda reacts to the speed my hopper puts paint into my gun.
I never chop so my eyes dont need cleaning except the time i used cheap paint. but if it passes the eye test everytime and you complain about bounce maybe you need to work on walking the trigger or make some adjustments to your liking and to your own fingers. then if that still doesnt work adjust the TR to your desired speed. Remember to keep the dwell as low as possible. it helps the recharge rate.

[Maxpayne2k4]

If that still doesnt help send it to a MT and have them do a look over.

[PakmanRevd]

It is not the trigger. I already adjusted it to where there is no bounce but it will rip in dryfire.. It is WITH paint when it shoots slow.

[DarkHope]

You try turning eyes off and shooting with paint?

[BoB]

There are some other reasons that can also be casuing the issue:
Slow loader
Slow spool and ram caused by a low LPR (LPR that drops down and is slow to recover, this reduction in pressure makes the spool in the 14 way move slower, this in turn slows the ram down, so the cycle time increases.)
Low voltage to the solenoid or some other resistance
The BIP delay then comes in and because the cycle time is slow, the BIP time will reflect this and add more BIP delay time slowing the gun down even more.

What we do know is that the gun was ripping and then just stopped. If the issue has not cleared up after a charge and fresh batteries in loader, I would send the gun and loader and we will run it through the tests again. If it is anything we missed, we will make it right.

[PakmanRevd]

What should my tanks output PSI be at? I have it at 350-375...?

I will charge tomorrow on my way to the field, and i will replace my loaders batteries tonight. If that no worky I'll let you know.

Thanks Bob.

[dynastySSS]

from the tank ur out put should be 450 from the minireg bout 250.

[PakmanRevd]

k i dunno what happened. It was shooting a bit faster today. not as fast as it should be shooting but it's getting there.

[PakmanRevd]

this gun has magical powers..it healed itself..

shooting fast again :)

I may still send it in. iwould like to get this gun to OPTIMAL settings..and im not one to do that.

[BoB]

Maybe charging the battery helped a little?

[PakmanRevd]

Probably. It's usually always at full but when I went I put it on the charger for about an hour longer before I started playing.

If I send it back to you could you adjust it to perfect settings? Something doesn't feel right and I have no idea what it is. Everyone has been pointing out how it sounds funny when I am shooting.

Thanks for the help guys.

[BoB]

Send it in. As for charging, it takes 4-5 hours for a complete cycle.