Speed 05 Halo B chopping. need advice..

[Switch_SE]

Hello. please read the entire post before answering to cut down on quick answers :)

I have been out today and playing with my speed 05 and my Evo II hopper, worked good however then i tried my new Halo B on the field and i putted it on and was happy to finally get it and start playing with it.

Bang, tjoff, tjoff, bang , tjoff , tjoff, tjoff..

Ya first shot ok then like 4 - 8 chops in a row.........

what is wrong? i tried to change the settings on the angel for hopper type to slow, to fast, fastest, etc.. nothing helped.. also tried to clean everything very carefully nothing helped. then i tried shooting again and i chopped 2 balls, so without cleaning anything i put my Evo II back on and i fired like 15 balls no problems..
Switched back and it still breaked the balls..

So i tried the Halo B on another gun and it worked flawlessly..

then i played rest of my day with the EVO II without a single ball break, but i know lots of ppl play with the Halo so i know it works and i do not buy that my halo is broken due to the fact that i let another guy shoot like 500 balls during the day with it (no chopping)

any tips guys im so lost :)
:wall: :wall:

[Switch_SE]

Well i know i said it worked. but i was wrong.. turned the gun off, made some coffey got back out tried it and same freakin error.... this is starting to really tick me, i have owned my angel for a while, and i still think its great but when it comes to this issue with a new produkt that comes AFTER another accessory that they know ppl will use doesent work its poor..

Last tip i just got was drill 2 holes, put in stronger detents and make them stiffer........................... yeah right...

if this doesent work soon or someone comes up with a valid fix that actually helps im going to return this speed 05..

it really s*** when issues like this comes up.

[PBJeff]

My best guess is ram alignment. If the bolt is sitting too far back it will allow a second ball to half feed, causing a chop.


*edit* if its working now i wouldn't touch it tho

[Switch_SE]

My best guess is ram alignment. If the bolt is sitting too far back it will allow a second ball to half feed, causing a chop.


*edit* if its working now i wouldn't touch it tho

Well i did that before it started to work to try it but it didnt help either..

as i said its now not working again and i didnt touch a thing.

[Luzrd]

more often than not (in my experience) chopping is caused by poor ram adjustment.

to check the adjustment, first of all the breech door should click when opened, if it opens without resistance its not adjusted properly!

secondly with the marker degassed and unable to fire put on the halo turn it on with paint present, and look through where the barrel threads in to see how much if any of the second ball in the stack is protruding into the breech. if enough of the second ball is present it will chop! therefore you must adjust your ram. (its easy) also if the halo is double feeding it will chop, which will require "tuning" the ball detents.

now with the barrel removed check the resistance of the ball detents, they should move smoothly without much resistance. however there must be enough resistance to prevent double feeding of paint.

let us know what if anything you find after checking these hints.

LuzRD

[Switch_SE]

more often than not (in my experience) chopping is caused by poor ram adjustment.

to check the adjustment, first of all the breech door should click when opened, if it opens without resistance its not adjusted properly!

secondly with the marker degassed and unable to fire put on the halo turn it on with paint present, and look through where the barrel threads in to see how much if any of the second ball in the stack is protruding into the breech. if enough of the second ball is present it will chop! therefore you must adjust your ram. (its easy) also if the halo is double feeding it will chop, which will require "tuning" the ball detents.

now with the barrel removed check the resistance of the ball detents, they should move smoothly without much resistance. however there must be enough resistance to prevent double feeding of paint.

let us know what if anything you find after checking these hints.

LuzRD

well the detents hold the ball in place, also the ram cant be adjusted any further forward or i wont get the thing opened.

dunno but it aint workin

[Sparco]

Stretch out the detent springs, see if that works. Sometimes the springs don't provide enough counter-balance on the detents and on some HALOs you'll have this problem. If you've already adjusted the ram stroke then that's obviously not the problem. Yes, it is possible to have the ram too far forward and still be able to open the breech. It's a fine line though...

[Switch_SE]

well i solved it.

I drilled a hole in my Halo to get to the screw inside on the circuitboard and tuned it, it works great now thanks...

[Luzrd]

ok so you turned down the halo's sensitivity.

[aerotcus]

I was just going to suggest that. I had to adjust mine.

[bobjim]

also could be that the detents are defective.

[Switch_SE]

also could be that the detents are defective.

no it was the sensitivity on the halo!

[Vuuduu]

Please post on how to adjust the sensitivity on the Halo...with pix, please!

thanks. ( I have a halo b...I am waiting on my 05 Speed to arrive)

[PBsmurf]

^^^^^^
Same here. Please give me and Vuuduu a walk thru. Thanks alot.

[crashdan]

on the halo board itself is a pot dial.... just like the old impulse dwells.... u can drill a hole in the backplate of the halo to access it without having to remove teh shells, etc

[Switch_SE]

well look above the button u see a white knobbeb screw (plastic) drill a small hole and your done. However do not do this untill you tested your halo with your gun becouse it works for some ppl..

i have also recently learned that if you change fron stock loader settings on the angel u will also get ball chopping with halo so do not change that.

u will see what i mean when u look at your halo so dont worry about the little mod :)
Also, its not certain this will help either so dont get your hopes up just yet.

can be ram alignment on angel, can be version of chip on halo, can be the way its inserted in the neck on angel, can be alot of other things.
just dont do the mod first thing you do since it breaks warranty.

first thing u do IF you get problems is set your angel to factory settings and try again if that dont work check the ram allignment, then work your way towards the problem :)

/Switch

[PBJeff]

Or you can just take it apart to get at the screw.. and not drill a hole...

[Vuuduu]

thanks! time to tinker.

[Hathegkla]

ok I know this thread is old but does anybody know if there is a similar mod for the reloader-B? I am haveing the same problem and need to adjust it.

[aerotcus]

I've found it to be almost impossible to take the shells off and tinker then put them back on with any frequency and NOT break the shell. Better to drill if you ask me.

[Frank_McCrank]

how can the hopper be the problem? if you arent using dark shelled paint so the hopper keeps on feeding its not a hopper problem...(know some guys having problems with that, dunno if thats true or not)

anyways

eyes wont shoot unless its a ball well placed in the breech and if its well placed it wont get chopped.. its a marker problem, not a hopper problem...

doesnt they advertise "no delay time" for the eyeQ? so its no delay time. so its impossible to chop even how screwed your hopper is.. its a marker problem...

[flipside]

ok I know this thread is old but does anybody know if there is a similar mod for the reloader-B? I am haveing the same problem and need to adjust it.
I am too. can anyone gimme some insight?

[winter001]

how can the hopper be the problem? if you arent using dark shelled paint so the hopper keeps on feeding its not a hopper problem...(know some guys having problems with that, dunno if thats true or not)

anyways

eyes wont shoot unless its a ball well placed in the breech and if its well placed it wont get chopped.. its a marker problem, not a hopper problem...

doesnt they advertise "no delay time" for the eyeQ? so its no delay time. so its impossible to chop even how screwed your hopper is.. its a marker problem...

Its not a gun problem, whats happening is the Halo is not shutting off when its supposed to because its to sensitive, this leads to cracks in the ball shell, its not breaking it out right but the cracks are enough to cause the gun to destroy the ball once its chambered and the gun fires

[winter001]

ok I know this thread is old but does anybody know if there is a similar mod for the reloader-B? I am haveing the same problem and need to adjust it.

I ended up switching to the 4 battery setup in the reloader instead of the 6 battery setup and that seemed to help out a lot, now 0 breaks

[Frank_McCrank]

Its not a gun problem, whats happening is the Halo is not shutting off when its supposed to because its to sensitive, this leads to cracks in the ball shell, its not breaking it out right but the cracks are enough to cause the gun to destroy the ball once its chambered and the gun fires


dark shelled paint...

[DarkHope]

errr...Dark shelled paint?...reloaders are sound activated, what would that have to do with anything?...The angel eyes?

[Frank_McCrank]

errr...Dark shelled paint?...reloaders are sound activated, what would that have to do with anything?...The angel eyes?

he is using a halo b....

[Vuuduu]

I picked up a evo eggII with Z board and it works flawlessly. I also have a Halo B...I have not used it yet with the 05 Speed. I will try it out tonight.

My 05 Speed is at factory settings. I have not chopped any balls and am completely satisfied with the range and accuracy of the marker (2 cases thru it)...with a good paint/barrel match.

[Hathegkla]

FIXED IT! I think I solved my problem, all I did was streach out my detent springs, after doing this I first tryed it on the slow reloader-b setting then on fast (the gun was set to 3) no chops I shot an entire hopper as fast as I could and didn't chop. I think that at really high speeds force fead hoppers are just a bit too much for the detent springs.

[Frank_McCrank]

like i said. a marker problem... :)

[Switch_SE]

well i guess i need to buy new springs and pull them apart real hard then :)
If this dont work Hathegkla im going to send you the bill ;)

well its worth a try!

[Hathegkla]

heh, I think you could use a pen spring as a replacement, the supply room here at work has plenty of em :smile:

[xonex]

It’s a gun problem!!!
I adjust the Ram and LPR and my Halo work’s fine with a Timmy (Full speed) , Matrix, and modded A4 (Pen springs), but not with my Speed 05!!!
I try a much other Halo B and Reloader B and have still a same problem, chopping the Balls!

My 05 work fine at thy same day, the same Paint with Z-Board Evo, no chopping, no breaking Paint!!!

I thing to, that at really high speeds force feed hoppers are just a bit too much for the detent springs.


Sorry for my English

cu
xonex

[shaq787]

whatever you do DO NOT STRETCH OUT THE DETENT SPRINGS. not sure if anyone else mentioned it i just want to be sure. in one of the other threads a master tec said that they were specially made for that one job of stoppin balls. i'd go with teh master tec's advice anyday
nothing against those who suggested it
ill try to find the quote later

[bluesteel]

whatever you do DO NOT STRETCH OUT THE DETENT SPRINGS. not sure if anyone else mentioned it i just want to be sure. in one of the other threads a master tec said that they were specially made for that one job of stoppin balls. i'd go with teh master tec's advice anyday
nothing against those who suggested it
ill try to find the quote later

The mt at impact paintball told me not to adjust the ram. he stretched the anti-double ball detent springs on my new angel speed 05 and now it works fine.

[splat12345678910]

hes stupid if he tells u not to set the ram

[Angel05]

hes stupid if he tells u not to set the ram
U smart, because you do so :clap:

[shaq787]

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM KEN CRANE(a mt)

HERE IS THE LINK TO THE ORRIGIONAL THREAD
http://angelowners.com/showthread.php?t=31591&page=4&pp=15

i coppied and pasted it here if you do not want to use the link

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STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP

do i have your attention yet? go to every thread you see or any one that says to cut or streach your ball detent spring. this is the worst thing you can and will do.DONT DO IT ! and if anyone posts or says to do it dont and tell them we told you this.
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[ZoomZoom]

ok i beleave you

[xonex]

It was first what I try, I stretch my ball detent springs.
And the Angel still chop the Balls.
Last Saturday I try other spring. The same size but stronger (harder).
I test it with just one other spring and I put a little bit grease on the Halo Belt.
Its work fine, but still not perfect and now I thing my 05 is little bit slower.
Next weekend, I try it with Empire Reloader b without grease on the Belt and two harder springs.

My old A4 working with harder springs why not the 05?!


cu
xonex

[shaq787]

i think the greace on the belt is causing it to slip. there fore slowing it down

[ZoomZoom]

dont understand the grease on th ebelt thing all thats going to do is make you loader slip and slow down

[xonex]

I think its make the Speed slower but this stopping the doublefeed with halo.

[clouts]

i ve same problem
with my egg z bord no chop but my halo empire i chop i chop and i chop

isn t hoper setting and ram

yo no comprendo mi problem :scratchhe

[shaq787]

im not really likin what im hearin here. i just got a empire reloader b and i have been choppin on the fastest setting. i lowered the speed on the board and it seems to be chopping less often. but it is still choppin.

i have been thinkin and i just remembered that the first time i used the gun was in a woodsball game before i had the reloader. i was using a 12 volt revy and i did not have any chopps.

this is making me so fustrated. when is wdp going to admit that their dentsprings are inadiquit for a forcefeed loader and releace srtonger ones(possibly under warantee)

from is really bothering me is that it is capable of 31 but there is not a loader that can feed bolth fast and gentle. rippin shots and breakin VS. not as fast but will not chop

[ZoomZoom]

i feel your pain shaq im having the same problem with my reloader b not realy to sure what im going to do WILL SOME ONE PEASE HELP I SPENT ALOT OF MONEY AND ITS NOT WORKING

[ZoomZoom]

here is a idea the fly dosnt have a chopping problem dosnt it have the same spring style detents if so could i try a set of springs out of a fly

[xonex]

I thing that Fly have the same springs?! And yes, some Fly have Problems with Halo to.

[aLLkILLERnOfILLER]

the idea of greasing the belt is an interesting one, this should cause less pressure to be applied to the stack before slippage occurs. There is another thread about this, in which Ken suggests going to the default settings and checking your loader stop speed. I'm personally going to run my reloader on medium and my TR at 1, it sucks, but chopping paint sucks worse. I bought it for weight, accuracy and consistency, I'll still have that.

[ZoomZoom]

think im going to use my egg and just buy a z board for it for now till wdp gets the problem fixed or i just get pissed and go out and buy a new freestyle

[shaq787]

did the fly springs make a difference?

[KEN CRANE]

the springs are all the same.i cant help you guys unless one of you sends me a gun. somone do it we can end all this misery. none of the 05s i have sold have a paint breaking problem and yours shouldnt as well. :tele: :tele: :scratchhe :scratchhe :dunno: :dunno:

[Emmit]

a local kid recently had a problem with paint breaking in his 05 Speed. I took it to SD to get looked at and nothing was wrong with it. Brought it home and shot about 5 or 6 pods of Chronic 420 through it with both his barrel and the same barrel I had used the previous weekend in San Diego. Not one single break. Check the quality of paint before you blame the marker guys.

[xonex]

Hey, my paint is ok.
I play over 1 year the same paint with no Problems on a moded A4.
And my 05 running right wit a EVO Z- board and Halo with a grease on Belt.
But when a put a Normal Halo without Grease the SPEED 05 running really Fast but over 1 Hopper I have so much breaking Paint that Angel don’t working with EYE.
Halo is O.K., working fine with the same fast speed on a Timmy, DM4 and Excalibur with no problems.
In my Team we have a 3 Speed 05, and all 05 don’t working with Halo or Reloader B.
We playing the old speed and A4 with pen springs and its working really gut.
I adjust the RAM, check the LPR pressure and input pressure.
I Change the Ball Detents.
I Put Harder Ball Detents.
And his still not working with Halo! First after I put some grease on a Halo belt the angel stop the chopping (I say doublefeed) the paint…..

[aLLkILLERnOfILLER]

the springs are all the same.i cant help you guys unless one of you sends me a gun. somone do it we can end all this misery. none of the 05s i have sold have a paint breaking problem and yours shouldnt as well. :tele: :tele: :scratchhe :scratchhe :dunno: :dunno:

I'll send my 05 to you, on the condition that YOU look at it and get it back to me ASAP. I've broken draxxus blaze, midevil, walmart balls, it doesn't seem to matter. It's kind of embarrassing actually, I've got friends with non-vision impulses that rip harder and cleaner than my marker. My gun looks a lot better, but that's about all it does better. I've tried everything you have suggested. If you send me a PM with your message, I'll send you my marker as is. Just please get it back to me quickly. I try to play every chance I get.

[KEN CRANE]

I'll send my 05 to you, on the condition that YOU look at it and get it back to me ASAP. I've broken draxxus blaze, midevil, walmart balls, it doesn't seem to matter. It's kind of embarrassing actually, I've got friends with non-vision impulses that rip harder and cleaner than my marker. My gun looks a lot better, but that's about all it does better. I've tried everything you have suggested. If you send me a PM with your message, I'll send you my marker as is. Just please get it back to me quickly. I try to play every chance I get.


i am the only one that would be working on it as well send me your loader

[xonex]

Damm, why i living in Germany!?!

[aLLkILLERnOfILLER]

i am the only one that would be working on it as well send me your loader

sounds good to me, I won't change anything with settings or setup...should I send my air system? it'll save a buck or two if I don't send it. I'm running a wgp adjustable at about 375psi.

[Luke!™]

Something I noticed with my gun is that just putting the halo on did not lead to it feeding through my detents. Does a halo put more pressre on the stack at higher rates of fire? I am begining to suspect my problem was just with the paint. It was the house paint (aka dirt cheap paint). One other ball in the bag was swelled to the point where it couldn't fit into the feed neck.

[ZoomZoom]

emmit im shooting good paint fresh evil and all stars thats good paint im not blaming the marker just yet but i think i have it fixed

ken this is going to sound strange but i had a detent that would not push back and the ball was breaking there figure this out when i was chopping with my egg also i put the detents in from my friends fly and it was fine its like the detent was to large and it was sticking in the hole thanks for the offer to work on my marker i was about to send it in when i found the problem but i may need you help in the future on my a4 i want to have a 05 speed frame and trigger but on it

[Emmit]

Zoom...I'm not saying it's the cause of EVERYONE's problems, but certainly more than a few. The kid who was having these problems locally was using the new Voodoo paint, and he said he couldn't get it to not break in his Speed (had to use a different marker for a tournament). However 2 weekends later 4 pods of Chronic 420 shot beautifully through it as I ran them myself. To me that's a pretty good indication of a paint problem.

[nolimit2481@aol.com]

yeh i thought i was havin paint problems then i bought some more high end paint and i was still choppin so i finally adjusted my ram and its now shooting beautifully thanx guys

[xonex]

I adjust the RAM in a other 05 and its work fine now, my Old A4 and speed working fine to after Ram Adjust and harder ADF Springs. But my speed 05 and other Three from my team have same problem….
In my 05 is a soft nose bolt.
But his “Nose” is much softer then my old A4 Bolt!
Maybe Press my Halo so match that the softer “Nose” let rolling Balls little bit more like my Old Bolt?! I check it at Weekend.
And I try to put harder ADF springs on two sides.

[shaq787]

emmit
not to kik a dead horse but when i was having the problem i initially thought it was the paint too. but i loaded up the hopper with fresh marbs and it sitll chopped. i was usin an empire b on fast and the 6 bat setting, that is what the other guys on the team are usin. no chopps with the lasoya timmy or an old speed. i lowered the settings on the hopper to 1 (slowest) and it chopped ledd frequently. the day of the tournament we were all usin the same paint. i was the only one on the team, and i think most of the others there to have a chop. letalone 1 out of 200.

when the empire was on fastest i opened the breach one time and saw that there was a marb that was crusned from the downforce of the hopper. the next paintball was about 3/4 in the breach. the majority of the next paintballs would end up like that. there was a pool of paint in the breach, oozin out everywhere. the timmy guys were really rippin on wdp. it was a real clusterfu--

[nolimit2481@aol.com]

i no they tell you not to stratch your springs but try it and also did u adjust your ram cuz mine yoused to look like that when i opened the breech but no that its adjusted NO CHOPS! i was amazed compared to how it used to chop like crazy