mini reg info

[KEN CRANE]

some are asking about mini reg issues so here is some info from the factory for you to clear up some mis information.





The mini-regulator is a second stage regulator that is used to control the velocity and regulate the gas pressure. It can be deleted, but only if a suitable first stage regulator is used that incorporates a high flow and good regulation properties across the tank pressure range.
• Remove the macro line hose from the mini regulator by following the procedure and warnings given in PROPELLANT AIR/NITROGEN SUPPLY
- Page 4.
• Remove the mini-regulator adjuster screw 1.
• Remove the mini regulator locking screw 2.
• Remove the mini regulator end cap 3 by inserting a M4 allen key into the macro line fitting 1 and rotating counter clockwise.

[Solarstorm16]

Is there any difference between this minireg and a fly minireg? Would it be worth it to get this one instead? Thanks

[Solarstorm16]

anyone, anyone...

[Emmit]

this is a solid piece, and no longer has the flash tank...as for performance issues I can not comment on them at this time. You can however see that it is different internally.

[Solarstorm16]

thanks emmit

[Syentific]

I have a contingency of non-WDP folks that I think I may be on the edge of breaking with the 5peed. There is defiantely some resistance to the new style reg and although I see that theoretically it is suppose to be a step up in performance and style, for the anti-solid-unit folks out there, is there still the ability to stick on a flask tank and minireg to the 5peed?

[Paladin]

Anyone have chrono results using the stock reg and a non regulated tank? How consistant is it?

[Winnebago]

doesn't look like the old school flashtanks will fit the screw holes in the 05 speed. may have to break out a drill... but if you can mount a flash tank from an old angel, you'll have the option of mounting your favorite reg.

btw, Paladin... all tanks are regulated... either regulated to 450 output or 850 output for the presets... or regulated by an adjustable output reg. unregulated means 3000 psi or 4500 psi coming straight out of the tank.

[Paladin]

My bad, I ment a LP Tank with an inline reg...

[mhill65]

Do HP tanks work on this beast?

[P8ntSlinger44]

No HP tanks will work very well. Unless the spring order is pretty much reversed.

[Sparco]

From what I've seen on mine:

1.) The flash tank was eliminated and the area where it was located is now a dead air chamber. Apparently this is what acts as the volumizer, thus eliminating the need for one.
2.) HP will work but you won't be able to get it under 300fps if you're outputing more than 750psi from the bottle.

It's a real nice marker, great for the price from what I've seen thus far.

[mhill65]

will it be pretty easy to do the mini reg mod on it?

[TheRebel22]

will the mini reg mod potentially damage anything?

[Switch_SE]

Anyone have chrono results using the stock reg and a non regulated tank? How consistant is it?


Set first shot at 295 on crono then it goes around *beep* - 283
last i checked.

been shooting maybe around 6 boxes of paint so far.
so its not very consistant no :)
using Angel air 4600psi into the minireg.

look here (http://www.anders.bz/content/Paintball/Min%20Angel/SwitchGun.jpg)

fitted a volumiser now (Angel middle size one) going to try out later if it helps.
Also would like to go below 300psi but is that even possible with my tank? Manual says just putting volumiser gets u 150psi but i dont buy that :)

[Winnebago]

i buy the 150psi stuff... i had 160psi going into my old school speed at one point... 17ish dwell and 50/55 lpr though. heh. i figure with the sensi and diverter plate a thing of the past, the gun can operate with lower pressure.

[wildeman]

I've put a dye 90/4500 hp tank on mine for the moment. (i'm assuming it's hp. i never checked. I'll be getting a lp 68/4500 crossy asap.) I'm using 2 medium volumizers. 60psi on the lpr. 2 green lights (approx. 9) on the dwell. I tried lowering the lpr by removing 2 shims, but that dropped it to 40psi which was just too low. Bad shoot down/drop off. I added 1 shim back and it jumped up to about 58psi and still had a hint of drop off. So I took it back to 60psi and it works fine.

Could the use of a hp tank be affecting my ability to get the lpr to around 50psi? (I'm trying to get it a tad bit quiter.) After shooting a dm4 for a year my 05 sounds like a bazooka. :blasting:

I thought the lpr pressure was solely controled and affected by the shims. ???

[Emmit]

I've put a dye 90/4500 hp tank on mine for the moment. (i'm assuming it's hp. i never checked. I'll be getting a lp 68/4500 crossy asap.) I'm using 2 medium volumizers. 60psi on the lpr. 2 green lights (approx. 9) on the dwell. I tried lowering the lpr by removing 2 shims, but that dropped it to 40psi which was just too low. Bad shoot down/drop off. I added 1 shim back and it jumped up to about 58psi and still had a hint of drop off. So I took it back to 60psi and it works fine.

Could the use of a hp tank be affecting my ability to get the lpr to around 50psi? (I'm trying to get it a tad bit quiter.) After shooting a dm4 for a year my 05 sounds like a bazooka. :blasting:

I thought the lpr pressure was solely controled and affected by the shims. ???
why do you want to drop the LPR pressure?

Are you using a gauge when doing so or just guessing?

As Ken and many of the techs have stated leave the LPR alone, it should be around 70 to start with.

[wildeman]

to reduce the sound signature and improve it's overall tolerence of paint.

yes, i'm using the lpr gauge from my angel tool kit. btw, i have a certified angel tech who works in my shop. he's not specificly certified on a4s or speeds (he's certified on leds, lcds, and ir3s), but he knows his way around pretty well. he and i will be tinkering a bit and if we still can't find a satisfactory solution then i'll give eric a buzz.

it was at 65psi out of the box. i feel it could perform equally as well if not better at a little lower psi (50psi?). therefore, i'll tinker with my toys until i'm happy or am willing to admit defeat. I may also look into some after market ups like the evolve newton valve kit or the cobra valve and see what they can do.

emmit, i'm 35 and have been shooting angels since 99. i know a little bit about them in general. i'm not an expert on the newer designs (a4-05 speed) since they moved the lpr over and lowered the psi. thus my asking for some input from others. in the previous versions of the angel there was a pretty significant range of adjustment on the lpr that could be fine tuned for maximum performance based on personal preferences. i'm just trying to see/learn where things are at with this latest model.

[Snowfire]

Hmm. What is the ideal input pressure from a tank without volumizers on the gun? My tank is adjustable.

[Winnebago]

depends on what your minireg is outputting... i like 2.5 times that number... so if say minireg is outputting 200psi. then 500psi coming out of your tank.

[Snowfire]

well what does it usually output it at? I guess I would want velocity around 290 295, and a cant shoot faster than 16 bps, if that helps for determining tank output.

[worr4life707]

i am gonna get an 05 speed, but dont quite have the money for an LP tank right now

i have a 47/3000 Centerflag, it outputs 750

what do i need to do to the mini reg to make the marker run really well of the HP tank? I know you had to remove shims in the previous mini reg, but is this one different?

If i took my gat and tank up to Sacto to FixMyAngel they could hook me up and get it running well?

Im only 30 minutes out of Sac so it would be no biggy

[P8ntSlinger44]

the output from the tank should be no lower then 350psi. In the manual it says idealy that the pressure should be at 400psi. And do not put a pressure into the gun that is any higher then 800psi!!

And yea, the guys at fixmyangel will be able to do the rearranging of springs in the minireg for you. It really shouldnt be that hard though, a quick fix to get it to regulate the HP tank down to the right pressure.

[worr4life707]

the output from the tank should be no lower then 350psi. In the manual it says idealy that the pressure should be at 400psi. And do not put a pressure into the gun that is any higher then 800psi!!

And yea, the guys at fixmyangel will be able to do the rearranging of springs in the minireg for you. It really shouldnt be that hard though, a quick fix to get it to regulate the HP tank down to the right pressure.


thanks a lot, cant wait, just hope i can get what i want out of my e2'd cocker.......

[P8ntSlinger44]

worr4life, weren't we talking about an Angel?

thanks a lot, cant wait, just hope i can get what i want out of my e2'd cocker.......

[Chopper Olz]

how are you finding the 05 over the chrono as mine jumps from 270 to 290 and some time as low as 260 i have a cross fire lp tank. could it be my mini reg. the velocity screw is so loose it fills like it could full out when shooting but it has not yet and iv shoot 5000 balls thorw it the week end it shoots so good but over the chrono its crap at the mo can any 1 help :confused:

[worr4life707]

worr4life, weren't we talking about an Angel?


yes, i said i cant wait to see if i get the speed 05, and i hope i can get what i want ($$$) out of my e2'd cocker so i can afford teh angel

[wildeman]

chopper,
i don't know if this will really help or not, but here's what i've done.

1st.. two medium 3 sum volumizers (you only really need one, but two looks better). 2nd.. set lpr preasure (mine was at 75psi out of the box. i set mine to 60psi). 3rd.. i've shot about 10 cases through it to break everything in. 4th.. added the cobra v2.0 bolt and cobra venom valve (my fps jumped 30fps! allows me to lower input pressure. quiets it down. removes barrel rise. this is not an upgrade that i can claim will do "wonders" for everyone, but i'm convinced that it made a huge difference in mine and for around $ 80.00 bucks i think it's well worth a try.). 5th.. use a lp tank (crossfire is my choice). 6th.. good paint, good barrel, and a good paint to barrel match (please don't listen to people who tell you that paint to barrel match doesn't matter and that you should use a .695 only. it does matter).

i'm getting +/- 4 when everything is perfect. +/- 6 when it's not. i get lots of 298, 294, 294, 296, 297, 291 strings at the chrono. any fluctuation within +/- 5 is going to be from paint variance and is as good as it gets imo. Hope this helps.

[P8ntSlinger44]

OOO, i get it now, I thought you wret alking about performance out of the E2 autocoker.

[Chopper Olz]

Thanks wildeman ill add a volumizer but i need the tool kit so i can lower or just see what my lpr is at what Dwell have you set your gun to >? and thanks for your help ;) i just hope it works

[wildeman]

oopps. i knew i forgot something. dwell is at 9. i haven't needed to do anything to my minireg, but they usually grease them up pretty well at the factory. yours might need to be cleaned and re-greased. again, i believe consistancy has a lot to do with air flow/ recharge rate, quality paint, and paint to barrel match. and sometimes it's just luck. you get a wednesday gun instead of a friday gun. glad to help.

[aLLkILLERnOfILLER]

I just got my speed and got it set up yesterday. I put the big volumizer on it, and am running a WGP adjustable first stage reg at 400 PSI. After about 500 cycles, the velocity spikes were pretty well smoothed out. As far as 150 psi goes, I don't know if it runs that low or not. I don't much care as long as I get consistent shots. That's what I bought it for. As its set up now, I'm hitting 290 with an error of +/- 3fps. I'm happy with that. and I got the gun for 910$, i'm happy with that too :)

[Angel05]

I'm happy with that. and I got the gun for 910$, i'm happy with that too :)

$910 has same offer for graphite 90, this color is not hot and overstock. Can you bid $945 for Blue Dust with 45?.

[aLLkILLERnOfILLER]

This 910 for whatever color you want, either frame, if they have both. But I couldn't get Silver, they only got 1 and it went fast. I'll PM you the name of the shop if you want. They have a website, but not an online store.

[ZoomZoom]

i just got my 05 and set it up with a empire b and a 12'' stiffi and also an evil 45ci/5k adjustable tank but i was wondering how to figure out what my lpr press. is at and what to set my tank at any help would be great

jason

[memers0n]

buy the angel tool kit and use the lpr tool to check your lpr pressure
the manual says that the ideal tank output pressure is 400psi

[nolimit2481@aol.com]

yep yep

[fueks]

i have a hp crossfire on mine
and i got it as low as 165???? so i dont know what you guys are talking about
and i have my red volumizer from my fly that i traded for it.

[RatJ313]

buy the angel tool kit and use the lpr tool to check your lpr pressure
the manual says that the ideal tank output pressure is 400psi

not tryin to say ur wrong or anything, but the manual basically says that the ideal input pressure is 400 psi, i THINK that it means to the gun.

and also, it says do not exceed 850 psi input and i have an 800 psi nitroduck tank. since the manual basically says that this tank is ok to use, if i use it and cannot get the fps at or below 300fps, what do u guys think thye would do? because they cant really say that u need an lp tank because the manual doesnt specify that. if the manual did specify that, which it should since the angel stock will not support an 850 psi output tank and wont allow the gun to go below 300 fps.

what do u guys think about this?

[aLLkILLERnOfILLER]

not tryin to say ur wrong or anything, but the manual basically says that the ideal input pressure is 400 psi, i THINK that it means to the gun.

and also, it says do not exceed 850 psi input and i have an 800 psi nitroduck tank. since the manual basically says that this tank is ok to use, if i use it and cannot get the fps at or below 300fps, what do u guys think thye would do? because they cant really say that u need an lp tank because the manual doesnt specify that. if the manual did specify that, which it should since the angel stock will not support an 850 psi output tank and wont allow the gun to go below 300 fps.

what do u guys think about this?

I think you're the kind of guy I make fun of that plays with us. He drops 600 bucks on an impulse a pile for all his gear, then goes and buys competetive edge paint and refuses to chip in for air. Then he wonders why he has problems. READ THE F*$&ING MANUAL means read it and adhere to it. But you're probably one of those people who changes your oil every 10,000 miles too. Sorry if this sounds like a rant, but there are probably 4 threads going about this same exact topic and no one seems to get the point. RUN LP OR ADJUSTABLE. 400 psi means to the minireg, that would be the thing in the foregrip. IMO 400 is a little high for that even. I run mine about 300 unless its real cold like now. then I turn it up to 400.

[RatJ313]

sorry dude, but i read it the wrong way and after that post i caught on to what it was saying. sorry for sounding stupid or w/e.

and im NOTHING like that kid at all, id buy an angel over an imp becaues ive owned one for about 5 months and shortly after i got rid of it, the front end blew off. i dont know why it did though.

and i dont have a car so i dont get the "change the oil every 10,000 miles" i dont know if its bad or not. but ya, the manual should say in clearer instructions "only use this marker with a tank at 450psi output". no matter what, people would understadn that and wouldnt get confused.

[Bigal1]

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some are asking about mini reg issues so here is some info from the factory for you to clear up some mis information.





The mini-regulator is a second stage regulator that is used to control the velocity and regulate the gas pressure. It can be deleted, but only if a suitable first stage regulator is used that incorporates a high flow and good regulation properties across the tank pressure range.
• Remove the macro line hose from the mini regulator by following the procedure and warnings given in PROPELLANT AIR/NITROGEN SUPPLY
- Page 4.
• Remove the mini-regulator adjuster screw 1.
• Remove the mini regulator locking screw 2.
• Remove the mini regulator end cap 3 by inserting a M4 allen key into the macro line fitting 1 and rotating counter clockwise.

Ken or anyone:

Following the manual discussion above, the very next step in the manual says "insert an m3 screw into the threade hole in the bottom of the spool and gently extract the spool."

on the bottom of my spool are two small holes (threaded I think) but they are smaller than 3mm. so I can't find this mysterious 3mm hole that I need to continue on in the mini-reg removal. can you help?
thanks.
al

[wildeman]

I could be wrong about this, but the 3mm screw i think it's referring to is past the internals of the minireg and up towards the top of the reg. It's the screw that attaches the reg to the body of the angel. I think the manual is forgetting to say remove minireg internals THEN remove 3mm screw. But this would be in relation to removing the reg from the gun completly which would basically render the gun useless. If you're wanting to gut your minireg and run it gas through with a duel regged tank then that's different. I THINK (again i could be wrong. get a mt to advise you on this to be sure.) you might be able to simply remove the internals of the minireg then re-assemble the reg housing. BUT... i've not done this or even looked at it so i may be completly wrong. Hope this helps.

[batman14]

Hay sticky
I would like to know how do you tell your bottle reg is putting out a constant reg pressure and it not jumping up and donw from shot to shot.
Could you hook up the reg meter from the angel tool kit and take the LPR out frist than
shoot a couple of shot to see?

[aLLkILLERnOfILLER]

Hay sticky
I would like to know how do you tell your bottle reg is putting out a constant reg pressure and it not jumping up and donw from shot to shot.
Could you hook up the reg meter from the angel tool kit and take the LPR out frist than
shoot a couple of shot to see?


try shooting over a chronograph, that always tells me what I need to know.

[El Pirata]

Sorry to beat a dead horse here but if the minireg can be deleted as you had mentioned Ken, how do you go about sealing the holes left from having a mini reg? While I know I could gut the reg out and just put an empty case in there but I was high flow and that seems it might decrease the flow rate into the marker. I modified your image you had attached to show where I was alking about.

[Trigga Nometry]

How about deleting the stock minreg altogether and use the reg of your choice?

NEW PRODUCT (link): (http://store.customproducts.us/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=93&categoryID=12)
http://store.customproducts.us/images/product/93.jpg
2005 Angel Speed Adaptor

This little gem will allow you to use any regulator you want with the new angel speed.(preferability ours!!) This will only work on the new 05 speed.

[MasterChief]

Any reg such as the Soda Can(AKA 2 Liter).

[El Pirata]

I have seen the new asa but I really like the feel of the speed foregrip better than any reg or gas through I have ever felt. I am going to slap a max flow on the bottom and use the foregrip as a gas through if at all possible.

[shaq787]

sounds cool. can you let us know if it works?

[El Pirata]

I have an idea or two in my head that I will get DEZ to make a reality.

[Twiggy]

Will the mini-reg mod work on this reg? I checked the thread and theres no word about this, someone asked but no one answered.

[El Pirata]

Which mini reg mod are you referring to?

[Twiggy]

The changing of the spring stack?

[El Pirata]

I've never heard of that mod or at least not by that name.

[spedhunter88]

is it just me or does it seem lik removing the macro line is a little too complicated compared to other fittings where u jsut hold and pull the macro line out

[Sparco]

My experience with the new mini-reg is that it can handle a HP Crossfire preset, as well as the LP Crossfire. However, in terms of performance you're much better off with the LP bottle.

As for adjustable air systems, it seems like a wasted investment (back in the day when LP bottles didn't exist, it was your only option) it perhaps was a smarter buy. I've gotten my Speed to run reliably at 250psi out of the adjustable air system, any lower and we noticed some shoot down. Ideally you probably want to send 300psi to the mini-reg.

Regarding the mini-reg cartridge and its removal...

I went the road less traveled, I used the LPR piston removal tool. If you thread it at an angle it'll grab the threads (about 3 threads worth) and allow you to gently remove the cartridge. Here in lies the problem, I'd imagine that doing this excessively will end up stripping the thread entirely. My breech rod from my old LCD threads right into the hole, that made for a fantastic removal tool as a second option.

[Bigal1]

All you have to do to remove the mini reg is use the breeach lock pin. Take it out of the breech, and thread it into the minireg. then pull it out. it will work like a champ.

[P2theG]

^I ended up bending my breech lock pin doing that. Not visibly but it was enough that it wouldn't go back in, Just replaced it and now i have a minireg removal tool with the bent one. heh. Just make sure when taking it out you pull it out straight.

[Bigal1]

deja vu.

just took my son's speed apart, did the same thing but it isn't so bad that it can't be used.

[LayinRocker]

Isnt there a mod where you change the spring stack to get the pressure down from the tank??

[El Pirata]

Yes, you can change the spring stack to get the pressure down. I would not call it a mod no more than I would call changing the macroline a mod.

[R3MY]

I'm running a crossfire HP tank on my 5peed. As far as I'm aware, there's been no mod to the mini-reg (baught the gun used). I run the min-reg about half way out from letting no air in and its got no problem with gettin under 300fps. It tends to jump in FPS, usually around 10-20 fps. I use Chronic 420 through it, and a .694 freak insert (fits the paint well, and leaves a lil room for swelling). Now this worries me a little bit because of tournies, I don't want my gun spiking over 300 and getting pulled for it. Should I clean my mini-reg? Or switch to a LP tank?

[hotshot99]

What press. should you set out of your tank if you want to delete the mini-reg.
will 180psi provide enough press. to the lpr to keep 60psi. I think El did this,how did it go?

[El Pirata]

http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?p=321282#post321282

I am running mine at 160psi without any problems.

[IamRascal]

I was reading the mini-reg instructions and I have one question about these steps

7)remove 1 of the cuped washers (springs) from the mini reg stack
8) reassemble in reverse order and re chrony.

am I supposed to reverse the order of the springs, or remove one of them completly and not put it back in?

-Chris

[Angel05]

I'm running a crossfire HP tank on my 5peed. As far as I'm aware, there's been no mod to the mini-reg (baught the gun used). I run the min-reg about half way out from letting no air in and its got no problem with gettin under 300fps. It tends to jump in FPS, usually around 10-20 fps. I use Chronic 420 through it, and a .694 freak insert (fits the paint well, and leaves a lil room for swelling). Now this worries me a little bit because of tournies, I don't want my gun spiking over 300 and getting pulled for it. Should I clean my mini-reg? Or switch to a LP tank?
jump in FPS, usually around 5-9 fps with LP Crossfire dwell @7 freak 0.689
marbs, proto, heat, blaze, pmi p
Get a new tank!, you killing your AS05. Let it get some air.

[Mindjob]

No HP tanks will work very well. Unless the spring order is pretty much reversed.

This one was a little unclear. Im thinking about an 5peed and wanted to know for certain.

Please finish this sentence for this Angel Newbie:

"A HP tank _________ work on an 05 Speed"

Thanks

[Koolborderxtrme]

This one was a little unclear. Im thinking about an 5peed and wanted to know for certain.

Please finish this sentence for this Angel Newbie:

"A HP tank _________ work on an 05 Speed"

Thanks

A HP tank will work on an 05 speed if you have the order of springs in the mini reg reversed. this can be done by having it sent to a MT. the reason for this is if you are using a HP tank that exceeds 800 output psi you will not be able to get your fps below 300 with the velocity screw almost all the way in (allowing the least amount of air).

[P2theG]

A HP tank will work on an 05 speed if you have the order of springs in the mini reg reversed. this can be done by having it sent to a MT. the reason for this is if you are using a HP tank that exceeds 800 output psi you will not be able to get your fps below 300 with the velocity screw almost all the way in (allowing the least amount of air).
Just for the record, I don't think MTs condone the minireg mod because you put much more wear on the piston. You can do it yourself anyway if you have a set of circlip pliers to get the ring out.

[jollyrgrcaptain]

Is it possible to put a CP reg of other aftermarket reg on the speeds? Aslo, so an HP tank is bad for 05 speeds?

[IamRascal]

yes you can. Custom Products sells an adapter to replace the current mini-reg assemble with an adapter for other regs.

[Tac-Elf]

What's the best way to measure the pressure output of the Speed 05 minireg? The reg appears to be a single piece (not like your typical inline with ASA threads).

I've seen pictures of the older style miniregs using a remote bottle on/off setup, but obviously this won't work on the 05's reg.

[Trigga Nometry]

What's the best way to measure the pressure output of the Speed 05 minireg? The reg appears to be a single piece (not like your typical inline with ASA threads).

I've seen pictures of the older style miniregs using a remote bottle on/off setup, but obviously this won't work on the 05's reg.Check out this thread here: http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=43039

[Tac-Elf]

Ah, now I get it. Left side of the gun (aka Valve side) gets the "high" pressure and so on...

I assume all you do is remove the cap on the left side and screw in the now-modified gauge. You leave the valve components in, right?

[Trigga Nometry]

Ah, now I get it. Left side of the gun (aka Valve side) gets the "high" pressure and so on...

I assume all you do is remove the cap on the left side and screw in the now-modified gauge. You leave the valve components in, right?Yes, that is correct.

[bayne]

soo...can you use a high pressure tank, and then get an inline regulator and be okay on and 05 speed?

[rick1000]

^Yes. I recommend the Cp reg.^