The details:

[Furby]

http://www.68caliber.com/news/industry/story04365.php

Enjoy!

[mpire123]

Cool!

[mrtheoutlaw]

the new trigger design is sick...looks like it works similar to the MT magno-trigger mod.

[pb_planetERIC]

resale value of old speeds will plumit soon

[P-dogg]

funny you should say that...i put mine up for sale today

[iwanaspeed]

wow!!!! thats a sick gun

[Reborn]

I like it, I like it a lot.

[SKAN]

i seriously just almost pissed me pants and §§§§ at the same time.... motorcycle is for sale now along with everything i own .... it shall be mine... o yes.. it shall be mine!..

[MVpaintball]

I got a ?, will the new trigger design be available to be another retrofit on older guns?

[PBsmurf]

Me ordering soon... :thefinger

[gx3man]

I just finished reading the manual and noticed something. It doesn't mention anywhere in there about adjusting the magnet return strength. Am I correct in assuming that the only thing you can adjust is the over, under, and toe length?

[tgaffner]

I have another question, what do the Magnets attract to? Are they set screws in the body abouve the Trigger?

[kangaroodent]

In case anybody didn't learn something from the eBlade design, which used an optical trigger with magnet return...
This gun will have absolutely horrid and uncurable bounce.

Why? Because it relies on magnets to return the trigger. When the trigge goes back, it breaks the opto-beam, which shoots the gun yadayadayada, but now there's this one problem, because magnets get weaker the farther apart they are... So no there's so little return strength that the kick from the gun, no matter how miniscule, can actually move the trigger between the sensors' firing point repeatedly, ending up in full auto bounce untill you fix the fundamental design flaw: Get rid of the magnets.

[Jouster]

In case anybody didn't learn something from the eBlade design, which used an optical trigger with magnet return...
This gun will have absolutely horrid and uncurable bounce.

Why? Because it relies on magnets to return the trigger. When the trigge goes back, it breaks the opto-beam, which shoots the gun yadayadayada, but now there's this one problem, because magnets get weaker the farther apart they are... So no there's so little return strength that the kick from the gun, no matter how miniscule, can actually move the trigger between the sensors' firing point repeatedly, ending up in full auto bounce untill you fix the fundamental design flaw: Get rid of the magnets.
Depends on the design of the magnets. The Speed 05 uses two magnets--one that acts with maximum force at the beginning of the trigger pull, and another that acts with maximum force at the end of the trigger pull. This means that you'll never experience that issue. The Angel fires when the "Opto beam" is not occluded. Thus the window in the strip of metal that travels between the emitter and the receiver. Lastly, if it has such terrible bounce, don't you think they would have noticed and corrected that during testing? Unlike Eclipse, WDP has their actual gun, completely assembled, during testing, so it would have been easy to spot.

Jouster

[kangaroodent]

Depends on the design of the magnets. I can easily design a magnetic trigger that gets more return force the closer it gets to the activation point. The Angel fires when the "Opto beam" is not occluded. Thus the window in the strip of metal that travels between the emitter and the receiver. Lastly, if it has such terrible bounce, don't you think they would have noticed and corrected that during testing? Unlike Eclipse, WDP has their actual gun, completely assembled, during testing, so it would have been easy to spot.

Jouster
These are good points, but it doesn't look as though (if I'm looking at the right things I'm thinking are magnets hehe) they've configured the magnets so that they'd achieve the same basic idea as a spring...
It's still failure by design on the eBlade, and on the eBlades' part no matter how you look at it, no matter what is on the cocker. Only time can tell if they did manage to figure out this problem on the Speed 05.

[mamba_juice]

i really like it, just because of the performance to price aspect....even if the front grip is just plain fugly, an ASA adapter can always be made to accomidate a new inline if need be.

plus...this sounds kind of fun as well

• NEW Encapsulated circuit board that is Fully reprogrammable and upgradeable.

not that the other ones werent, but the fact that the plug is right there seems a lot better to me.

makes you wonder if they'll be bringing another price buster with an LCD in to top this one.

now all we need is heat seeking paintballs and were set!

[alien abductor]

price?, it is NOT available on wdp's site

[Devs]

http://secure.fixmyangel.com/modules.php?name=catalog&file=product_info&products_id=326

$995 at the sponsor. Should ship the 14th.

[TrashDoG]

just because its magnetic doesnt mean its going to have uncurable bounce.... ever heard of the Eblade 2? THat's still magnetic isnt it? The video they made is all about how fast it is, plus letting people try to get it to bounce. It doesnt happen. I'd assume the speed 05 has little to no bounce too?

Im glad I havent bought my A4 yet, I'm hooked on the speed. (Even though I could get the A4 off pbgateway for $950 with a preset AIR 68/45 tank included....) owell.

[Transformer]

How much is it? does anyone know i can't find a price?

[TrashDoG]

$950-$995

paintballgateway has it listed for $950 if you do a search, but you cant order it or anything. It's just there with the name and price.

[Jouster]

$950-$995

paintballgateway has it listed for $950 if you do a search, but you cant order it or anything. It's just there with the name and price.
MAP for this gun is $995. If you find anyone advertising it for less than $995, they're violating their agreement with WDP, and there's no guarantee they'll be able to get any in stock if WDP hears about it.

Only time can tell if they did manage to figure out this problem on the Speed 05.
Yes, they did. The curve of resistance is a parabola. If you find you're getting too much bounce, just move within the parabola by adjusting both vernier wheels in the same direction, and then adjust the toe so that it has distinct on/off states in the new configuration.

Jouster

[TrashDoG]

very cool very cool

[titocampos1990]

what does that mean?

[TrashDoG]

not sure but it sounds like a fancy way of getting rid of bounce

[titocampos1990]

i think he means you can ujdust the trigger's distance from the magnet while not messing with travel and return force. but what does the ''toe'' ujdustment do?

[TrashDoG]

prolly how angled the trigger is, like if it goes straight down, or angle's forward, or angle's backwards.

At least i hope thats what it is, that would be awsome cus i shoot my gun differently than most do so i could use a good trigger adjustment...

[mrtheoutlaw]

with the toe adjustment you can adjust the activation point of the trigger.

[Paladin]

Whoever was shooting in that video sure didn't have any issues with bounce...

Anyone know how low you can operate with this gun? I mean if you get two volumizers on it in conjuction with the huge forgrip it should be able to achieve very low operating conditions right? :puzzled:

[mrtheoutlaw]

Whoever was shooting in that video sure didn't have any issues with bounce...

Anyone know how low you can operate with this gun? I mean if you get two volumizers on it in conjuction with the huge forgrip it should be able to achieve very low operating conditions right? :puzzled:

in the manual it says it can operate at 150 psi. but when they released the a4 they said it would operate at 170 psi. i have yet to see an a4 running at that low of a pressure.

[TrashDoG]

OT: Lol mrtheo I love ur sig :)

[Jouster]

i think he means you can ujdust the trigger's distance from the magnet while not messing with travel and return force. but what does the ''toe'' ujdustment do?
What I mean is that you can adjust return force without affecting travel.

The toe adjustment modifies the activation point of the trigger; obviously, if your new rest position is behind the activation point, or if your new pulled position is in front of it, you'll need to change the activation point so that it's somewhere in the middle of the trigger pull again.

Anyone know how low you can operate with this gun? I mean if you get two volumizers on it in conjuction with the huge forgrip it should be able to achieve very low operating conditions right?
You only need to slap one volumizer on her in order to achieve an operating pressure of approximately 150 psi.

Jouster

[Mr.Bunker]

Wow I can't wait to get my hands on this thing. It seems like WDP now realizes theres a lot more compition out on the market now days.

[onSpEeD]

Just to clear up a main reason why eblades bounce is that cockers have a lot of recritiationg (sp?) mass. The bolt, backblock, and pump arm all add weight that has to be moved...That will add bounce.

[Furby]

Reciprocating. And you're right...

[titocampos1990]

i heard it has 3 shot burst? i hope not... does it?

[tubes99]

i heard it has 3 shot burst? i hope not... does it?
for a mode yes.
so does the 4 and the fly if you dont want to dont use it.

[kangaroodent]

It's an option, here are the modes:
Full Auto, 3-Shot Burst, Double-Action (fires on pull and release of trigger), and Demo Mode to provide unmatched rates of fire.

At least that's what's on the Euro board. Probably the same.

[titocampos1990]

k, i thought the moddo was ''all kills, no frills''

:throwup6: :thumbsdow

[matthepepe]

k, i thought the moddo was ''all kills, no frills''

:throwup6: :thumbsdow
People seem to complain no matter what WDP does, if they give you the features people complain, if they dont they still complain.

[titocampos1990]

damn... your right, well all guns have things that piss poeple off. but this isnt bad, its actually good i just didnt know WHY they put it there cuz not many poeple will use it

[Jouster]

It's an option, here are the modes:
Full Auto, 3-Shot Burst, Double-Action (fires on pull and release of trigger), and Demo Mode to provide unmatched rates of fire.

At least that's what's on the Euro board. Probably the same.
Nope, sorry, the Speed 05 only has semi-automatic operation. However, it does has adjustable TR, unlike the older Speed, so you will be able to make it bounce--or not bounce--to your heart's content.

Jouster

[TrashDoG]

as long as bounce is adjustable i could care less abotu burst or auto :)

[Paladin]

:dito:

[Furby]

Pfft. Why bother with bounce or modes when you can just pull 20+ a second?

[TrashDoG]

Exactly, Iwant lightest pull possible with 0 bounce.

I think the bragging rights to having kickass trigger fingers are better than jsut shooting fast ;)

[Paintballjc]

I GET ONE FOR CHRISTMAS!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :swing:

[TrashDoG]

I get to order mine in 2-7 days :)