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KEN CRANE
08-17-2004, 09:29 PM
Angel Fly - Conversion Kit

The Angel Force Master Techs would like to thank everyone for their patience. This project has been a long time in the making with many difficulties to overcome. You must all understand we have not simply taken a $30.00 board, screwed it into a gun and glued some wires on the outside - anyone can do that.

Angel Force has partnered with WDP (the manufacturer of the Angel) to give you the absolute best product for your money. The Angel Force Master Techs are the official representatives of WDP for warranty service and professional player technical support. As such we would never offer a product that was not fully approved and endorsed by the factory. That means that the products and services we offer will not void your warranty and you can rest assured that everything we do to your marker has 100% factory support.

The Fly conversion kit for the Angel 4 consists of a new Fly board, new Fly eye ribbon, new Fly eye strap and custom milled eye cover to deliver a factory-built look.

The Speed conversion consists of the same parts with the added bonus of having the fly board and screen.

This WDP endorsed conversion kit has the following benefits:

You retain all the factory Modes. With the Speed, you gain modes you never had.
We drill and block the diverter-plate reservoir to straighten the flow of air to the LPR and significantly lower the LPR pressure.
You get a clean, "factory-built" look with no glue, mess or unsightly gunk on the side of your beautiful Angel.
You enjoy the convenience of 6 fully qualified warranty stations located across North America, all waiting to help you should you need service.
You keep your factory Warranty. The Angel Force eye conversion is the only eye modification that has this seal of approval from the factory.
Here is a little background on this project. As Master Techs we began working on this conversion long before anyone outside of our group even knew the Fly existed. We sat down with WDP and examined the new Angel Fly to determine the best method of converting A4s and Speeds in order to keep them current with the Fly's awesome technology and firepower. We milled, drilled and banged heads until we came up with the current configuration. We presented it to WDP and they approved it, the first time a non-factory upgrade has ever been approved by them (they are perfectionists). As a matter of fact, John Rice, the designer of the Angel, was impressed with Russ and his handy work on the conversion. We have been testing prototypes for months to see if we could break them, without any luck. This is a rock-solid conversion.

Here is a recap of the features and benefits of the Angel Force Fly Conversion:

We are using 100 % WDP manufactured parts right down to the screws. This means that all parts can be easily obtained and replaced.
We are not using any glue, epoxy, or anything that will keep you from cleaning the eyes.
WDP has completely endorsed this project (no one else will have this distinction).
You keep your warranty. Your board is upgradeable. We are adding futures to your gun - not removing them.
Your Angel will perform as the Angel Fly.
If you attend the major tourneys around the country you will have the security of 100% service by the Master Techs.
We're really nice guys.
Pricing is as follows. There will be no exceptions in pricing to this upgrade.

Angel A4: $299.00 USD with the exchange of your old A4 board. With this you receive all the parts I listed above and a complete tune up. All guns will be tested before installing the conversion kit and any defective parts replaced will be extra. We will contact each customer on an individual basis if this happens.

Speed owners: $399.00 USD with the exchange of your old board. The same circumstances apply as above on the Speed.


NEWS FLASH !!! WE ARE NOW INCLUDING LCDS AND IR3S COST IS 399.00 AND WORK AWSOME.

All Canadian conversions will be directed to Badlands

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cougar10ag
08-31-2004, 02:26 AM
so for the iR3 everything listed above is done to it? and i can retain my lasoya trigger?

thanks

smartLCD
09-02-2004, 07:32 PM
wow that is sweet. i wanan do that...:-)

SDLM
09-09-2004, 08:05 AM
do lcds/ir3s get a second ball detent, also is it possible perhaps for extra cost, to get an inverted LCD screen?

a4plite
09-09-2004, 08:20 PM
how long does it take to get you gun back?

Bugsy
09-09-2004, 10:27 PM
Is there a long waiting list? How long will it take to get back? How do you accept payment? Are instructions included?

speed demon
09-12-2004, 09:39 PM
i have a speed. so if i get it done do i get the angel eyes to or just the board. and also can u get the fly trigger on the speed. my friend has a fly and teh trigger is so much better.???

cougar10ag
09-13-2004, 12:24 AM
Ok, a few more questions reguarding the iR3.. is the fly board converted to use a 6v battery or must i go and buy the 4.8 or whatever it is charger? also is the eye system ACE or eyeQ?

i saw an a4 with the MT conversion at the field yesterday and i fell in love with it. the quality was amazing.

he shipped his out to indiana?? is that the closest to new york?

Jouster
09-13-2004, 02:04 AM
Ok, a few more questions reguarding the iR3.. is the fly board converted to use a 6v battery or must i go and buy the 4.8 or whatever it is charger? also is the eye system ACE or eyeQ?

i saw an a4 with the MT conversion at the field yesterday and i fell in love with it. the quality was amazing.

he shipped his out to indiana?? is that the closest to new york?
The IR3 conversion leaves the stock battery in place; I believe you can continue to use your old charger, but I (personally) always recommend that people upgrade to the charger that comes with the Speed or newer guns (the "Intellicharger"), since that is a much nicer charger, electrically speaking. They can be had for about $30, used. If you want to stick with the old charger, ask the MT performing your conversion to make sure you can.

The eye system is EyeQ, the same as you'd find on a 4 Fly, Force Fly, JD, Rasta, or Speed 05.

MT Locations near you:
Cape Cod, MA (Performance Angel)
(somewhere), NJ (Impact)
Ft. Wayne, IN (All-Star/AngelParts.com)

Jouster

SDLM
09-13-2004, 09:08 AM
don't use the speed charger on your ir3, it will work but, it makes the memory of the battery horrible, and your IR3 will last much less time, probibly due to the speeds lower output voltage, I speak from experience on several angels, that I have used, but if you were using the speed charger, you can drain your battery and charge it with an LCD/IR3 charger and after a few drains and charges you will see your batter gain somthing like 50,000 shots at least then one that has been charged with the speeds charger. we have tested and verifed this to be true, charging with a speed charger on a regular basis will ruin your battery life, it will lose somthing like 50,000-75,000 shots. I have seen this on IR3s, LCDs, and NICAD LCDS, it does it on all of them, most people don't notice b/c the battery display works still and the first time the charge it with the speed charger it will only lose like 1,000 shots hardly enough to notice, then 2,000 and so on, untill it is 50-75K depending on which angel

KEN CRANE
09-13-2004, 04:10 PM
don't use the speed charger on your ir3, it will work but, it makes the memory of the battery horrible, and your IR3 will last much less time, probibly due to the speeds lower output voltage, I speak from experience on several angels, that I have used, but if you were using the speed charger, you can drain your battery and charge it with an LCD/IR3 charger and after a few drains and charges you will see your batter gain somthing like 50,000 shots at least then one that has been charged with the speeds charger. we have tested and verifed this to be true, charging with a speed charger on a regular basis will ruin your battery life, it will lose somthing like 50,000-75,000 shots. I have seen this on IR3s, LCDs, and NICAD LCDS, it does it on all of them, most people don't notice b/c the battery display works still and the first time the charge it with the speed charger it will only lose like 1,000 shots hardly enough to notice, then 2,000 and so on, untill it is 50-75K depending on which angel

not to stick my 2 cents in but as of may 04 that is the only charger we are producing for all guns.the new charger is a "smart" charger and recognoizes voltages from 4 volts to 9 volts and adjusts accordianly.it will also accept voltages up to 30 volts to assist in poor quality converters or higher than normal auto voltage.

SDLM
09-13-2004, 05:02 PM
maybe the new charger just has a problem with my converter my entire team uses the radio shack 13.8volt 3amp charger that TAG told us to use, I don't know why it would be a problem but, we verifed that if the new charger was used that we lost shots per battery. I don't know why but, it is we have verified it on all my teams angels, excpet one LED since that uses a differnt plug than the lcd/ir3/speed angels. maybe our team has an isolated problem, I dunno, maybe I should break out my multimeter and tell what exactly is going on. maybe both newer chargers were messed up in some slight way. but, that seems unlikely.

cougar10ag
09-14-2004, 12:37 AM
yes i have the intellicharger.

but i'm talking about the conversion, the fly board. i think the techs can do the conversion to the fly board to keep the 6.0v batt... but will the intellicharger know to adjust to the 6.0v batt or will it charge for the 4.8?

so when i'm ready contact impact paintball and let them know i wanna send my iR3 in.

pb_planetERIC
09-20-2004, 12:45 PM
What's the turnaround on this? I wanna do this to my 2k2 LCD fly. Who do i talk to, and when can i get my baby back?

Emmit
09-20-2004, 01:38 PM
What's the turnaround on this? I wanna do this to my 2k2 LCD fly. Who do i talk to, and when can i get my baby back?
each location has a different turn around time, however most try to do so within a 2 week time period. Your best bet is to contact the location you wish to use to determine what their workload is currently like to see how long their turnaround is.

Pricing and availability can be found in the threads in this section or by visiting www.AngelForce.tv

SRT-4 FIRE
09-22-2004, 04:35 PM
i am thinking about have a 2k2 lcd moded with eye's what would be the price for that plus shipping and would some one please post some pics of there marker that has been moded i would like to see what they look like before and after and durring if you could please !

thanks
lloyd

:piss2: :bowdown:

ckyxx87xx
09-22-2004, 06:51 PM
i am thinking about have a 2k2 lcd moded with eye's what would be the price for that plus shipping and would some one please post some pics of there marker that has been moded i would like to see what they look like before and after and durring if you could please !

thanks
lloyd

:piss2: :bowdown:
go to www.angelservicecenter.com they have pics and prices...

wickedmonkees
09-27-2004, 07:34 PM
Need Manual I Need A Euro Speed Board Manual

Jouster
09-28-2004, 04:34 AM
Need Manual I Need A Euro Speed Board Manual
I put a copy up on AngelFAQ: http://www.AngelFAQ.com/EuroAngel_en.pdf.

Matt, any chance we can add this and the Speed 05 manual to the manuals page (http://www.angel-owners.com/manuals.php)?

Jouster

ndekens
10-13-2004, 12:51 AM
Ok, so i got a dark ir3 that I already put an a4/fly board in, so whats the cost for me to get the MT eyes done to work with my fly board? Also Will I still retain Warpeds warrenty? and who is the closest to Sacramento, CA?

Thanks

BoB
10-13-2004, 11:12 AM
Price is $299 w/ Angel 4 board trade-in, you will lose your warrarnty with Warped and I am in Sacramento.

ndekens
10-13-2004, 12:52 PM
But I dont have an a4 board I have a fly board already.

BoB
10-13-2004, 01:25 PM
If it is a fly board, then $250

ndekens
10-13-2004, 02:02 PM
Can you send pics of your work

ndekens@comcast.net

ndekens
10-13-2004, 08:48 PM
Also one other question do you get dual ball dents with the conversion?

THanks
Nate

BoB
10-13-2004, 08:53 PM
I will ask around if anyone has photos of the guns we have done. The extra detent is an additional $35.

PIPO
11-03-2004, 12:49 PM
how much are the mt's trigger and magnetic mod?

ckyxx87xx
11-03-2004, 06:04 PM
how much are the mt's trigger and magnetic mod?

MAGNETIC TRIGGER SYSTEM FOR ANGEL 4 AND FLY $ 45
MAGNETIC TRIGGER SYSTEM FOR SPEED $ 65
MAGNETIC TRIGGER SYSTEM FOR iR3 $ 65
MAGNETIC TRIGGER SYSTEM FOR LCD $ 65
The MT trigger is $30

Pictures:http://www.angelservicecenter.com/retro.htm

paint_solija1224
11-26-2004, 08:22 PM
on those first set of pics(www.angelservicecenter.com) ther is a space frame on the lcd. if i wanted a space frame how much extra would it be?

Fu_ness
02-25-2005, 04:23 PM
Where is the closest MT to the Midwest?(KS MO CO area)

Technix2002
02-25-2005, 05:22 PM
If it is a fly board, then $250

What if I had the Angel Eyes (no cover) and the Fly board? I have a Speed.

moth99
02-25-2005, 08:35 PM
It will probably still be around 250 ish if you have that stuff, but I'd suggest just send out a question to a master tech and they should get back to you within a few hours. With the Ir3 conversion, my ir3 should be done in a few days so I can give a review on it with efficiency and speed overall, maybe get up a vid also. Turn around time is about 2 weeks and you have a choice between the euro board which is 350 or the angel fly board for 400, which is the same and can be programmed the same, it just has an lcd screen. Just check out http://furby.pbcproductions.com/DaleAngel.MPG
That vid should show what to expect with an ir3 or lcd conversion. From what I understand also, the fly board I believe has the fly modes on it that you get with an a4 but the euro board is missing the modes until the master techs get the software. Anyway the modes shouldnt be why you get the upgrade, your gun will shoot ropes when you set it up right. Thats just my 2 cents.

ckyxx87xx
02-26-2005, 12:31 AM
Where is the closest MT to the Midwest?(KS MO CO area)
would either be indiana or california www.angelforce.tv/stores.html

Snowball
02-26-2005, 06:14 AM
correct me if i'm wrong but i beleive the euro and fly boards are exactly the same except the lcd screen.the only things u lose with a euro board are the funny writings,temp,and timers wich i never used anyhow..

Duper
02-26-2005, 11:32 AM
Will the euro board be able to tell me what my max bps in the last firing session was (like my A4 LCD screen does)?

Sloffie
02-26-2005, 01:46 PM
noi dont think it can tell max bps, and im not sure but i dont think the euro boards have the same modes of fire that the fly does.

Snowball
02-26-2005, 07:26 PM
the board is exactly the same...just no lcd so no it won't tell you..

moth99
02-27-2005, 12:31 AM
Yes the euro will have the same modes of fire as the fly board, but not until the master techs get the software for it.

Duper
02-27-2005, 01:03 AM
thanks for the info... I emailed Bob Moon and he said the same (re: modes of fire and bps)

moth99
02-27-2005, 02:15 AM
Ok cool did he say that the euro will come with the modes like the a4, because the last time I checked they still didn't have the software ready for the modes on the euro boards.

Duper
02-27-2005, 03:56 AM
right - it only has semi available right now until they get 'the program key needed to unlock the board' (as he put it).