when?

[p8ntballah213]

when is master tech officially going to announce that they are taking LCD's for retro fitting? i heard that they are goinng to cost 400 bucks, why so much?

[Hep]

Why so much? Compared to what? And what kinda quality are you gonna get somewhere else? Some nasty JB weld and some crap board that uses a 9 volt? How much are the other Eyes done for right now? 300-400 right? So to have a better quality board and look that is "so much"

[p8ntballah213]

well all other ace/ was are 300 why is this one 400? more parts i have to buy? or what?

[bos_2005]

You pretty much just buy into their hype. Even though i would take a MT converted gun over a stock speed/a4 anyday there are just better alternatives IMO.

[IwanaANGEL]

you do get the LCD board, which has more features over the WAS board

[Paintballjc]

You pretty much just buy into their hype. Even though i would take a MT converted gun over a stock speed/a4 anyday there are just better alternatives IMO.

Dude, what are you on??? You honesty think that there are better alternatives to the MT retro.... you need to rethink that!

[bos_2005]

Actually yes i do belive there are better alternatives just as i stated. The MT conversions are nice and all just i dont like them as much as others. I applaud WDP on finally putting an eye on their guns. WDP made a huge step and brought many ppl back from other guns such as timmys/trixs becasue many of them switched for the sole fact that angels didnt have eyes. Well they do now and many ppl are gona come back to angels and thats great i just belive there are better alternatives to Eye-Q

[mamba_juice]

it's all personal preferance ok????

it's like one religion vs. another....unless the person never heard of the other you probably wont sway them once they have chosen one thing...i think all of you need to learn that and quit your bickering

[bos_2005]

it's all personal preferance ok????

it's like one religion vs. another....unless the person never heard of the other you probably wont sway them once they have chosen one thing...i think all of you need to learn that and quit your bickering


^^^Words of wisdom :worthy:

[KEN CRANE]

Actually yes i do belive there are better alternatives just as i stated. The MT conversions are nice and all just i dont like them as much as others. I applaud WDP on finally putting an eye on their guns. WDP made a huge step and brought many ppl back from other guns such as timmys/trixs becasue many of them switched for the sole fact that angels didnt have eyes. Well they do now and many ppl are gona come back to angels and thats great i just belive there are better alternatives to Eye-Q

he likes the predator mod better cough cough cough.thats all.and no there isnt a better mod out there hands down using the wdp parts.i say that even if we were not doing them.the question is why would you pay for less than u had?a ........ board or a ... board cost aprox 28.00 to buy.it should tell you something.

[KEN CRANE]

when is master tech officially going to announce that they are taking LCD's for retro fitting? i heard that they are goinng to cost 400 bucks, why so much?

ill give it to u in another light. we are using the wdp board that fits into a space frame.the stock frame must be milled dramaticly to make it fit.unfortunatly time is money.i wont go into why the tiny board that goes into an lcd from china in the other aftermarket mods fits .were not using big words,fancy terms any of that crap.its just the best tech.on the market reguardless of what is spewed on the net.save your bucks and have the fly eyeq kit installed.i do reckon that eric/sean from angelparts and russ from
angelservice senter has begun doing lcds.i have not as i am still doing a4s and speeds to get caught back up.give them a buzz.

[C]-[iLDe]

...it's like one religion vs. another....unless the person never heard of the other you probably wont sway them once they have chosen one thing...i think all of you need to learn that and quit your bickering

No.

Your metaphor is sound, but comparing paintball markers to personal, spiritual belief paradigms just doesnt make sense at all. The 'personal preference' inherent in choosing a religion is NOTHING like the personal preference that takes effect when you choose a paintball marker. Thats like claiming 'choosing a name for your son or daughter is just the same as choosing a name for your dog or cat!'

That said, I digress.

I also REALLY like the MT kit and i would agree thats its one of the best, cleanest-looking ACE upgrades available - in fact, my EyeQ'd A4 rips like no other - but i decided to go with TAG's Pred Board for my iR3 just because the MTs are taking SO LONG to even release information, and i needed a good backup like 6 weeks ago ...

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

ive seen preds shoot and ive seen eyeq shoot...and from wat i have seen the mt conversion is pretty much faster,anyways, as other people have stated before... payin 350 for an upgrade where the board costs them 30 bucks or so to order...seems like a rip-off,but hey...its ur money

[C]-[iLDe]

... seems like a rip-off ...

Its paintball, what ISNT a ripoff?

[bos_2005]

and no there isnt a better mod out there hands down using the wdp parts.i say that even if we were not doing them..

The only reason that satement is true is because its the ONLY mod that uses WDP products. That doesnt nessiciarily mean its the best.

That is just like buying a Mustang from Ford and saying all their products that they produce are the best for the car. Not always the case becasue there are many aftermarket parts that are out there that outpreform anything Ford motorcompany will produce.

[KEN CRANE]

The only reason that satement is true is because its the ONLY mod that uses WDP products. That doesnt nessiciarily mean its the best.

That is just like buying a Mustang from Ford and saying all their products that they produce are the best for the car. Not always the case becasue there are many aftermarket parts that are out there that outpreform anything Ford motorcompany will produce.

you know thats crap.the xxxx board and the others are crap.we had are choice to use iggys board long before the others even dreamed about break beam eyes.most of you have no clue where the break beam system or who designed it even came from.notice i said iggys board.why ? becuse he deserves the credit for all the older ace systems.joy guns sported the first ace systems on angels way before they were even known about.we chose knowing about our wdp fly eye system being designed to wait and use ours.the wdp fly eye system is so far advanced without big fancy words to explain it it isnt even funny.asyncroantibullcrap,thats what that all is.just look at the componants and you honestly tell me what one is better.i by no means intend to start a on line fight but the facts are just that facts.personal choice is another issue if you like one over the other thats fine also. :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :talktohan :talktohan

just a side note,the iggy board wholesales for around 30 clams without the software.wouldnt you think if we had any smarts that we would use that one if it were better or use the fly board that was around 150.00.(iggy board is a term for all the copies on the market)

[bos_2005]

Yes i will agree with you that he designed the first breakbeam eye and he deserves the credit. I stated my opinion and you just stated that ppl on here can state their opinions. Yet I get penelized because i am not all for WDP even though i think its great that they finally put eyes in their guns. I just stated there are better alternatives IMO. And i think i have the record for lowest rep. because i state my opinion but i guess i am the only person on AOG that is not allowed to state their opinion.



Rep= -48 and prob by the end of the day it will be even lower becasue of the "fanboys" and even some of the MT's dont like ppl who think outside the box. :fanboy:

[Landon_2004]

I believe that Kens point is that there is no better alternative as you are stating. It is your opinion that there are better alternatives, but the facts are the facts and I don't understand how anyone can believe that a $30 board can be better than the WDP approved $150 board.

Facts are facts and opinions are opinions.

:fanboy:

[KEN CRANE]

Yes i will agree with you that he designed the first breakbeam eye and he deserves the credit. I stated my opinion and you just stated that ppl on here can state their opinions. Yet I get penelized because i am not all for WDP even though i think its great that they finally put eyes in their guns. I just stated there are better alternatives IMO. And i think i have the record for lowest rep. because i state my opinion but i guess i am the only person on AOG that is not allowed to state their opinion.



Rep= -48 and prob by the end of the day it will be even lower becasue of the "fanboys" and even some of the MT's dont like ppl who think outside the box. :fanboy:



negitive rep shouldnt be allowed and i will speak to mat about it.next.we want everyones opinions i have no problem with everyone speaking their mind as long as it isnt mean.so dont stop as you see i have no problems stating my case.keep the good dialog going and all is good.i am one that feels thinking out of the box is the only way to grow.i feel sorry for those that dont.and i for 1 want to get rid of the fan boy crap. sorry guys

[RonnyMcDYO]

I think one thing you need to think of is this, why are there no aftermarket products for angels? Because WDP is known for making their stuff extremley well, doing most of their own research and design. So it doenst make sense to go out and pay 300 for a mod that puts an eye system on your gun that isnt made by the same company, and its kind of a half arse operation if you ask me, wires running here there, and the nasty slug on the side of your gun, when you pay 400 more get a nice looking mod, and if it does mess up you can just send it back and they fix it because its still under warranty. But like its been said your money your opinion.

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

hey, if u wanna go with another mod besides the conversion...then fine... but may i suggest u shoot both before u choose, juss to solidify/change ur opinion... i personally have seen predators shoot...and seen flies shoot...and in all cases, the fly is faster...which is why my gun is at impact as we speak gettin it's make-over =P. u are right bout one thing...dont buy into any hype...try both for urself so u can make a choice based on wat u want...

[FizNid]

Fan boy Zealots of any modification need not read anymore.

The two I am looking at are the Predator and the EyeQ. Here are my thoughts on this matter... and remember folks these are MY thoughts and apply to ME only.

Personally I am waiting for details on the EyeQ lcd conversion (costs, what is actually done, use of existing trigger frame, etc.) I can’t fairly compare the two 100% at the moment because I don’t have all the facts about the LCD EyeQ conversion.

I am going to do sort of a pro con for ME based on the information I know so far. If anyone has any useful information (no bashing this or that sucks crap) then please feel free to enlighten me.

I have a 2K1 Dark Angel LCD V2.0
Now I bought it new from Warped Sportz meaning it has a lifetime labor warranty... as far as parts they are out so it doesn't really matter anymore.


Predator Pros

You can use with current grip frame (means a lot to me because I don't want to stop using my eclipse one)(I am still hoping there is a possible solution to this by the Master Techs to use the existing frame in their mod).
Get new warranty on everything in your gun even if it's out of factory warranty (This is pretty good to me since my gun has no parts warranty anymore).
Cost 350.00 and you keep your old parts (I can sell my older parts on ebay and recoup some of the cost of the upgrade).



Predator Cons

9volt battery (con for me because I just bought a new battery pack from ballistic batteries and I would like to continue using it).
Voids your factory warranty (my parts are out of factory warranty so this doesn't affect me).
LCD screen goes bye bye (I don’t like this).











EyeQ Pros

Keep the LCD Screen (big plus for me).
Keep the internal charging battery (another plus).
Doesn't void Warranty(doesn't apply to me though)


EyeQ Cons

Have to use the space frame??? Hoping this will be solved.
Old board is kept/traded in (now I know there is a price diff in the boards so this is something that could have it's own thread).
Costs more than the Predator. (Quality of materials etc)
The EyeQ is warranted but not my gun like with the Pred (correct if I am wrong here).

I know there are other pros and cons but I am listing the ones that matter to me and will affect me. My main goal for getting an Eye system is to improve the performance of my angel. This isn't about fan boy love or whatever. It's about the best solution for my marker and me.

So these are my thoughts on the matter. There will always be someone that says this or that is better and that this or that sucks. I just want the truth of what will work for me. No BS no HYPE. I just want honest answers so I don’t blow money on something I won’t be happy with. Unfortunately no one at my local field has either mod… or even an A4 Fly. So actually testing the mods are not an option for me.

I just think there are too many people who have "throw away" markers that they don't care about and don't want to keep. They just want the latest greatest this or that and then get something else. I am different. I plan on keeping my Dark LCD for a long time. Because honestly it still is a very good gun. This is why I am researching both very carefully to maximize the life/usefulness of my baby.


FizNid

[bos_2005]

Working my way up -39 :boink:


Also to RonnyMcDYO comment about how their are wires everywhere and looks crappy i am guessing you saw a homemade job. Because in my gun i dont have "wires" everywhere as you state. Also Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so dont hate on JB weld. Personally i love the look of my gat. I will get some updated pics for you all because personally i like the look of my gun over many of the other was/aced jobs and even some of the HK's mods.

[bos_2005]

http://www.hunt101.com/img/206474.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/img/195659.jpg

[gik4]

all i gotta say is that i think the people who designed and built the gun from the ground up have a better understanding of what is the best way to put an eye system in the gun

also, if you look at the finished product there is a big difference in the quality of machining when you compare the EyeQ mod to the other mods, the EyeQ looks like it came straight outa the wdp factory, i can't say the same about the other mods

i think jim from impact said it best, "Don't get your gun Magoo'd, get some Lasik for your angel"

[Jouster]

...
So these are my thoughts on the matter. There will always be someone that says this or that is better and that this or that sucks. I just want the truth of what will work for me. No BS no HYPE. I just want honest answers so I don’t blow money on something I won’t be happy with. Unfortunately no one at my local field has either mod… or even an A4 Fly. So actually testing the mods are not an option for me.
...
That was a very well-written opinion piece, FizNid. I feel it deserves a couple moments of my time.

There are a couple EyeQ advantages that you missed.
The EyeQ is a "stronger" eye, able to see through more dirt and grime than the Predator eye.
The WDP board will upgrade your microswitch trigger to an Opto trigger, which will give you very precise control over bounce and a trigger that won't wear out after 100k shots.
There's a reputation associated with aftermarket boards that they are "cheater" boards, rigged for ramp and bounce. (Often, regrettably, due to people having experienced such things firsthand, and often because the makers of the boards advertise themselves to that market.)
Finally, one that you touched on but didn't explicitly mention--it's waaaaaay easier to adjust an Angel via an LCD screen than by: "Hold the trigger for three seconds until the blue light flashes, but before the red light comes on steady. Now, each pulse of the blue light is the tens digit of your dwell, and each pulse of the red light is the one's digit. Hold the trigger down for twelve seconds to change the one's digit, and sing the hokie pokie and turn yourself around to change the tens digit. When finished, throw your gun on the ground and yell at yourself for purchasing a ghetto mod instead of spending $100 extra on some real EyeQ." :D

Okay, that was in good humor, and I hope you took it that way. :)

One last note--it's sometimes possible to fit the board into older frames with a little help from a Dremel; if you're a big fan of your older frame, ask an MT if he can make it work for you.

Jouster

[FizNid]

That was a very well-written opinion piece, FizNid. I feel it deserves a couple moments of my time.

Thanks I just wanted as I said to get to the truth of how it will work for me.



There are a couple EyeQ advantages that you missed.
The EyeQ is a "stronger" eye, able to see through more dirt and grime than the Predator eye.


I hadn't thought about this point but it's good to know. One thing that did concern me was how easy the eyes would be to remove and clean from the different modifications if they needed cleaning.



The WDP board will upgrade your microswitch trigger to an Opto trigger, which will give you very precise control over bounce and a trigger that won't wear out after 100k shots.


Honestly I hadn't even thought about this. I haven't to my knowledge shot and opto switch trigger (no not been living under a rock :evilgrin: ). Bounce is a big concern to me. I don't want my gun to bounce at all. I don't care about how cool it will look to shoot a gazillion balls a second if it's not legal and safe for other players. So this is definitely an important feature for me.



There's a reputation associated with aftermarket boards that they are "cheater" boards, rigged for ramp and bounce. (Often, regrettably, due to people having experienced such things firsthand, and often because the makers of the boards advertise themselves to that market.)


This also concerns me. This is a point that I think is going to eventually ruin the game. Especially when ramping/cheater boards start being prolific in the rec scene(no this doesn't mean we play woods rec players play speedball too) At local fields that I have seen there isn't the scrutiny by the refs to check peoples guns for cheater type boards/software/etc. Of course I don't claim that any specific board is a ramp/cheater board but anything can be modified.



Finally, one that you touched on but didn't explicitly mention--it's waaaaaay easier to adjust an Angel via an LCD screen than by: :D


You are very correct and that is one reason I don't want to have to give up my lcd screen. Your joke quote was correct. I don't want to have to run through hoops to setup my gun or have to have an engineering degree to make an adjustment if something isn't going right between games etc.



One last note--it's sometimes possible to fit the board into older frames with a little help from a Dremel; if you're a big fan of your older frame, ask an MT if he can make it work for you.


This is something that I had posted in a seperate thread and the answers were somewhat good and bad. Not sure what they will be doing with this. I guess I will have to wait and see. If they can dremel it that is fine by me... well as long as it doesn't look like a hack job or cause a structural weakness in the frame.


I appreciate you replying in an intelligent manner and opening my eyes to several things I wasn't currently thinking about. Thanks :)


FizNid

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

i dont think it will be hard to convert an lcd while keepin the 45 frame, i was at impact yesterday lookin at a dismantled lcd and takin a look at a couple of the eyeq parts, it dooesnt seem too farfetched that they can easily convert an lcd while keeping the 45 frame...so juss wait and see wat they come out with, im sure it will be worth it =)

[FizNid]

i dont think it will be hard to convert an lcd while keepin the 45 frame, i was at impact yesterday lookin at a dismantled lcd and takin a look at a couple of the eyeq parts, it dooesnt seem too farfetched that they can easily convert an lcd while keeping the 45 frame...so juss wait and see wat they come out with, im sure it will be worth it =)



Thanks will keep this in mind. I will just have to sit and wait patiently I guess :)


FizNid

[dj2white]

i dont think it will be hard to convert an lcd while keepin the 45 frame, i was at impact yesterday lookin at a dismantled lcd and takin a look at a couple of the eyeq parts, it dooesnt seem too farfetched that they can easily convert an lcd while keeping the 45 frame...so juss wait and see wat they come out with, im sure it will be worth it =)



its just that they have to mill the lcd frame which takes time to make the eyeQ mod work.

honestly, in my own opinion, i think its well worth just getting the EyeQ mod. You obviously trusted WDP with your money and time when you bought their marker, why go somewhere else when you want to make it perform to its maximum potential? just my two cents

eric

[Emmit]

i dont think it will be hard to convert an lcd while keepin the 45 frame, i was at impact yesterday lookin at a dismantled lcd and takin a look at a couple of the eyeq parts, it dooesnt seem too farfetched that they can easily convert an lcd while keeping the 45 frame...so juss wait and see wat they come out with, im sure it will be worth it =)
there is actually a lot of additional milling involved in the frame. On the Space Frame's that started with the IR3 there was the recessed area for the COPS sensors, well on the newer models this area is where the large portion of the ribbon covers sits in the frame, this would all have to be milled out on an LCD frame to allow for use of said ribbon covers. Additionally they have to mill the channel for the ribbon which is an additional amount of time. Then as you touched on, the extra little time to mill the body of the grip frame to receive the different shaped board. Not saying it's impossible (just wait, you'll see;) ) but it is however more time consuming than you might imagine, and as Ken said "Time=Money"