angel behind?

[RaistlinsLegacy]

when i first began to play paintball i remember everyone saying how angels were ahead of everything, that they were undisputed best, that was 6 years ago, as i have grown in the sport i grew to respect WDP as a company, i bought a speed within 2 months that they came out, i went to IAO last year and met Russ, WDP never ceases to amaze me, they continue to invent things that are just miraculous, however while i do like WDP they are slightly falling behind, WDP led the paintball world in tech. but now Trix's and Timmy's seem to be pulling ahead, my only problem with the angel is weight and size, the rotary breach needs to be changed, the angel thread is way to long, (while every one else is switching to cocker) the encapsulated board was genius, however its a little to wide, does WDP have any plans to change their product? i loved my speed, (sadly i had to sell it to repair my car) but now there are markers that weigh 1.3 pounds or less, (Advent, A-Bomb) WDP is definitely a fav. of mine and i hope to see it pull ahead of the game again, keep up the good work MT's

[C.Carles-AOG]

Mostly cycles and popularity really. Lots of hype surrounding Trix's and Timmy's as of late so they have "pulled ahead" in public opinion. For my money there is no better marker, in any regard, than a WDP angel.

[crashdan]

i think wdp did fall behind stuck with the sensi idea... but i think they now have fully surpassed everyone... the fly just rips everyone is jealous when htey see me shoot my fly, its super light, super fast, and super accurate

[bobjim]

its super light, super fast, and super accurate


lol man you sound like my dad he is always saying that about my A4. Its true though. :worthy:

[garrick]

You can't beat the technology in the new flys. Agreed the sensi idea should of been abandoned a year earlier but they gave it a shot. Maybe they were just making sure the eye tech was on track. It is always better to have a solid product than one just to get it out there.

One of the best things about angels is service and support and that is something no other marker line can compare to. The best thing of all is the network of MTs. From anywhere in the US you can get your angel serviced by a factory apporved tech. Can wgp, bob long or SP give you that?

Yes Timmys and Trix have gotten the hype in the recent past maybe since they are newer and more teams are getting sponsored by NPS.

I have faith in WDP to continue to deliver the best quality product.

g.

[Won Hunglo]

Everyone put the hammer on the nail. The Sensi should have been dumped for an eye years ago. Mine never worked right. WPD is back near the top with the FLY.

[RaistlinsLegacy]

electronically the angel stomps all ill give you that, however the physical size and weight of the angel is a lil on the downside compared to todays standard

[PakmanRevd]

electronically the angel stomps all ill give you that, however the physical size and weight of the angel is a lil on the downside compared to todays standard

what are you talking about??

The fly is extrememely(sp?) light for it's capabilities. o ok a shocker is lighter.. but when is an angel gunna break on you?? kthx

[RaistlinsLegacy]

yes the angel is light ( the shocker is a POS ive had to fix way toooooo many at the field for my liking) but with todays tech. it can be lighter

[Vantage_TeS]

when i first began to play paintball i remember everyone saying how angels were ahead of everything, that they were undisputed best, that was 6 years ago, as i have grown in the sport i grew to respect WDP as a company, i bought a speed within 2 months that they came out, i went to IAO last year and met Russ, WDP never ceases to amaze me, they continue to invent things that are just miraculous, however while i do like WDP they are slightly falling behind, WDP led the paintball world in tech. but now Trix's and Timmy's seem to be pulling ahead, my only problem with the angel is weight and size, the rotary breach needs to be changed, the angel thread is way to long, (while every one else is switching to cocker) the encapsulated board was genius, however its a little to wide, does WDP have any plans to change their product? i loved my speed, (sadly i had to sell it to repair my car) but now there are markers that weigh 1.3 pounds or less, (Advent, A-Bomb) WDP is definitely a fav. of mine and i hope to see it pull ahead of the game again, keep up the good work MT's

Gee its a shame that timmys have 65 different milling styles, but no way to controll a loader. Seems like they are falling behind cause they cant even use the superfast loader russ made.

[mamba_juice]

a lot of the hype surrounding timmy's and trix's is caused really by two main things...

1. ignorant noobs on pbnation that think that thier gun is "the best" over everything else, when mechanically they suck (not trixes, there nice...its them damn timmy's).

2. top pro teams who have FACTORY SUPPORT ON SITE are all shooting them because they can be offered so much in a sponsorship from NPS.....if a gun breaks, hand it to the tech and grab another one off the rack.


From my observations, WDP has focused mainly on the techological aspect. They have spent much time on improving the software and interface on the circut boards they use, some things truly are innovative...other things are just extra, unneeded goodies. WDP still has a reputation from the eairlier years, they still turn heads at many fields (even the old LCD and LED).

i personally think that WDP reached it's best when they introduced the speed, it was simple, easy to use, and effective...you didnt have to scroll through 20 menus if you needed to change something, it was just a simple killing machine....if they improved the performance aspect of a speed, along with keeping the LED readout (i believe that was the purpose of the euro angel) people would flock to it like bugs to light.....not because it's the newest thing out there (ok, maybe a few of them), but because of the functionality of it.

people simply need to let trends come and go...bob long will put out more and more of the same gun with different milling styles and eventually people will realize that it's the same gun internally......the DM4 is just about as good as the matrix design can get, they have reached the top of the ladder as far as spool valve electro's go....and they look great, why wouldnt anybody want one (yes, there hyped up, but having played a day with one i say they are worth at least half the hype they recieve)


ok, that's enough for now....my fingers are tired

[Emmit]

the rotary breach needs to be changed

why?

You're stating an opinion. Okay that's fine...but now give some reasons. Don't just throw it out there and not give any reasons for it. To be honest I think it's one of the best designs there is. The portion of the body housing the solenoid is directly behind it so they have to be able to get the bolt out somehow. Additionally you can't screw up putting the bolt back in. Look at how many other "High End Electronic" owners can't get the bolt and pin back in during the middle of a game sometimes. Heck I see it all the time, someone pulls their pin/bolt to clean it (why do they need to clean it, they've got eyes on their guns right???) then they can't line the pin up to get it back in properly and the gun still doesn't work. Guess that means they need to redesign them right?;)

[Emmit]

bob long will put out more and more of the same gun with different milling styles and eventually people will realize that it's the same gun internally......

too many people see a new body and think it's a new gun for it to ever get to this point. Heck if I remember correctly someone once said that said bodies were stamped out not machined...now if that's true there's true quality for you there folks:rollseyes

[GomerPile2525]

The race between WDP and all the others is very close. The force fly isnt as popular yet as the alias or the trixes. But dont be negitive. WDP will pull ahead and finish the race in 1st once agian. Wat i think they should do is re disign the Angel air. Thats my opinion kinda dumb but o well.. WDP IS THE BEST

Gomer :puzzled:

[bobjim]

Yes I to believe WDP will pull ahead sometime in the future if those SP nazis get shutdown and stop trying to sue everyone out there. My opinion is that there are only 3 top markers out today that no stores can hardly keep instock.

1- DM4 they have lots retail value and lots of hype but an overall great gun still a matrix though.
2-Alias cheaply made. I cannot stress that enough I talked to a tech and he even said timmys were very cheaply made only thing they have going for them is speed.
3-A4 fly of course we all know out of the three markers here listed that if it wasn't for all the timmy and DM4 hype the angel would be in 2nd if not 1st.

Not saying that either guns are bad but there is just a difference between hype and such which makes them worth more and other BS (we all know PBnation). Anyways thats just my opinion I feel when WDP creates another marker after the fly (I hope its a kinda speed model with eyes like the euro) I think then WDP will be number 1. -Eddie

[GomerPile2525]

well said

gomer :beer:

[Clowndog]

Personnaly, I dont mind having a marker that no one really has a "high" opinion about. My Fly is about as low key as they come. Dark Pewter, smoke TSA, is doesnt "stand Out". But people always ask me to try it out. Build Quaility is about the finest I have seen as far as machining accuracy in all markers.
Never mind that there is so much "HYPE" about the other markers that the Angel has been "lost" in the madness. ITS ALL MEDIA MARKETING! I would rather purchase a marker that has had money spent on design then one that has had more money spent on advertising. And we all KNOW that the Angel is the pinnacle of paintball performane, so I fail to see how a person could feel that WDP is "behind".

[DeadlyUSMC]

I totally agree with Emmit. And I can attest about the weight issue. After switching from a FULLY modded smocker, I mean Cocker, my A4 is so damn light WITH tank hopper and all, I cant even imagine play'n with my cocker again, it was like lugging around a barbell with you. Yes I have used all the trixes, smimmy's, I mean timmy's and new shockers and DM4's, I STILL would not trade my A4 for one of them. Also, I dont know if anyone has noticed, but is it just me or does the DM4's body and internals heat up??? With my MT trigger (thanks Ken!!!), it freakn tears up all my buddies old trixes, DM4 and fully modded shocker up when they want to race.

One other reason I went with WDP over the others is, I HATED all the new mods always coming out for cockers, timmy's and everything else. Hell I think I have over 200 upgrade parts just for my cocker alone, and you know what, they all work the exact same damn way, lmao!!!

I got the Angel cause of their rep as making a marker made so damn awesome and made with the best parts, there is really no reason to mod-up. However, I will be getting it converted in the next few months, and that's about it, 2 MOD'S, WOOOHOOOOO. Anyway, just my 2 cents, peace out ya'll. Be safe and play safe!!

[Landon_2004]

:mt: :dito:

Well said!!!!!

[outcast]

[QUOTE=DeadlyUSMC
One other reason I went with WDP over the others is, I HATED all the new mods always coming out for cockers, timmy's and everything else. Hell I think I have over 200 upgrade parts just for my cocker alone, and you know what, they all work the exact same damn way, lmao!!!

I got the Angel cause of their rep as making a marker made so damn awesome and made with the best parts, there is really no reason to mod-up. However, I will be getting it converted in the next few months, and that's about it, 2 MOD'S, WOOOHOOOOO. Anyway, just my 2 cents, peace out ya'll. Be safe and play safe!![/QUOTE]


Same here. :) I got a Fly because of the fact that after you spend all your money on it, you don't have to buy upgrades just to make it shoot right.

[dynastySSS]

that was very well said deadly

[Vantage_TeS]

Been saying it for years. Angels come prepimped.

[shaneOK]

well, i dont care for timmys simply because they are spyders on steroids, but, the dm4 is also a nice gun. although, who wants to lube their gun after every case :notsure:

[biftip98]

yeah man angels are pimp... the roto breech is simply amazing... look at all the other markers on the market, look at what you have to do to remove their bolts and put them back in... with the roto breech all u do is pull the little nob, swing it open, do whatever you were gonna do, swing it closed, and pull the nob again... there is no way to screw up puttin the bolt back in, it alines itself with the hammer slot so unlike other guns, u cant put the pin in the wrong place, there are no tools needed and you dont have to remove half the internals of the gun just to take the bolt out... if you ask me the roto breech is still way ahead of its time... and whats this about the barrel threading being too long... switch to cocker threading... if your take a look a cockers threading isnt that much shorter then a angels...

oh yeah, and i own a matrix, one of the more popular guns, well its a very nice gun i like it alot, however its for sale because of the set up time involve with it, and the upkeep required... with my angel, pretically no set up time and very little upkeep, it runs like a champ every time...

the angel is the best gun on the market...

[DeadlyUSMC]

that was very well said deadly

Why yes, I must agree :dito: