fixing flash fill

[Sparkles]

Is it easy to fix a flash fill? i really don't know much about the AIR so i need to know if its pretty easy to fix or should i just let local tech do it?

[SuperFly]

I don't know how to fix flash fill but I know how to prevent it.

1. Turn off output on reg
2. Tell the person to SLOWLY fill it to 1000psi.
3. Then what to cool down a bit.
4. Fill rest of the way slowly.

If the people are in a hurry on filling other bottles, step to the side and wait. Missing the first game(in rec) is not worth a flash fill.

[ZULU]

What exaclty is a flash fill ?

[djmjohan]

Filling the AIR rapidly stresses the main cone o-ring. When this o-ring gets badly abraded or worn from the stress, the AIR regulator is unable to regulate pressure properly.

The output pressure (which is what the regulator does) starts to rise and rise and rise....

Once the output pressure reaches 1250, the emergency safety vent will activate and air will bleed out the side vent.

Occasionally, you may find that before the output pressure gets to 1250 (i.e. before the safety vent activates to bleed off excess pressure) your fittings or macroline may blow off.

This happened to me twice with a 2 month old AIR.

[ZULU]

Wow... I will be sure to ask my local field to fill my tank slowly then. There usually ok about it too. That sounds horrible. I shouls also invest in a Angel AIR tool kit.

[signal21]

from what i hear, its basically only flash fill if its on those baurer compressors. sparkles you should be fine with the way ultimate fills their tanks..
yup, someones gotta teach me about angels. i dont know §§§§..

[Sparkles]

Originally posted by signal21
from what i hear, its basically only flash fill if its on those baurer compressors. sparkles you should be fine with the way ultimate fills their tanks..
yup, someones gotta teach me about angels. i dont know §§§§..

Ya i know... I was asking how i fix a flash fill......

[b4d_455_baller]

cobra has a restrictor that will eliminate flash fills..

L8ER!

[Sparkles]

Originally posted by b4d_455_baller
cobra has a restrictor that will eliminate flash fills..

L8ER!

Ya i'm probably going to get one....My tank has been flash filled how can i fix this?!

[SuperFly]

Be careful. I have seen a post on here where it didn't work and still flash filled. Besides, all that is is brass air fitting with a smaller inside diameter. You could probably make one.

As for Flash fill, if you have the tool kit and o-rings and seals just take it apart and see if anything is damaged. If its o-rings or main seal just replace them and put it back together. Refill and see if that fixed it. If its beyond that, take it to a tech.

[Sparkles]

Thank you! so thats it? cool thanks alot

[Roy]

About how fast does someones have to fill a tank to get a flash fill ??

[SuperFly]

I don't remember but its a certain PSI per second. I would guess try not to fill it faster than 300psi per second. 150-200psi is fine. Its very critical during the first 1000psi. After that you should have no problem going a little faster.

[wadd]

is the AIR the only tank that you have to worry about a flash fill with? I've never heard of it until I started reading things on here. If others can flash fill too, is AIR worse for it? Basically, I've been shooting nitrogen for years. I've never had any problems. Do I need to change anything now that I'm shooting AIR?
Jeremy

[Emmit]

I think that due to the number of O-rings in the regulator on AIR is what makes it such an issue. On all the pre-sets I've ever used I never gave it a thought.

[PBEric]

Many air systems can have problems from "flash fills" not just the WDP AIR. The problem you usually see on the WDP AIR is the interior cone o-ring. However other o-rings can also be effected depending on whether the adjustment screw is backed out. Most other air systems develop problems on the fill nipple o-ring, or regulator seat.

[Leviathan]

I've found an easy way to avoid the flash fill problem is to always keep 1000psi of air in the system. On the two seperate instances where I had a 'flash fill' they occured on an empty bottle from a Bauer compressor.

However, a teammate went all season with no adjustments/maintenance on his AIR and had no problems.

Honestly... sometimes the flash fill is a hit or miss.

[ir3-a.i.r]

I recently picked up an air and I think that happened the first time it got filled and the reg wouldn't completly close so air leaked out a little do you think this could because of flash fill or a completly different problem???

[ir3-a.i.r]

Also what do you have to get the air tool kit or will the regular angel tools work?

[SuperFly]

Where did it leak from? The burst disc, the output fitting, or just slowly leaked from somewhere you can't see?

[ir3-a.i.r]

It slowly leaked through the output fitting.

[laaron25]

Another reason not to buy this high priced tank :O(

[RonnyMcDYO]

I do believe a proper filling of a tank is 1 min per 1000 lbs. I do remeber reading this somewhere I believe it was in a paintball mag on how to care for your HPA systems. Now at a tourney waiting 4 and a half mins for an air fill is going to agraviate some people, but if you go with the 1000 psi slowly, then you should be fine, let the reg get used the pressure. Im kinda worried myself if mine was flash filled and wrecked.

[DaddyDik]

Originally posted by ir3-a.i.r
It slowly leaked through the output fitting.

i got the same problem....what can it be?

will it get worse over time/?

-=DD=-

[iLL]

yea i am thinking about getting an AIR but is it really worth it because of all these problems? cus i really wanted one but after reading all this i might not since it might just eb a pain in the ass to not get it to leak

[RonnyMcDYO]

Mine hasnt leaked, yet, but for the money I am starting to wonder with all the precautions I have to take was this thing worth it. This thing is uber heavy to, heaviest reg I have ever seen, and one with the most problems. If you take care of it, then it wont screw up, if you treat it like any other reg then it will.

[Talon]

Keep in mind that all you hear about is problems on these forums. All the posts on this website that are technical related are going to be about a problem that someone has and would like to have answered. The AIR is a great system, you just need to know some of the bare bones about it in order to avoid any issues, much like any other system. The AIR is however more complex than any other HPA Reg because it is also the only computer controlled reg. It needs to be babied at times, and one of those times is when there is less than a 1000 psi in the tank. I play witha 45/45 and never have any problems. During practice I try to never let my system drop below a 1000 psi. During a tournament if it happens, then it happens and I just take care when at the fill station. Other than that the AIR is a great system and needs to be recognized as such.

RonnyMcDYO is right however, you can't just treat the Air like any other Reg. It does need to be babied at times. But if you treat it right, it will run better on an Angel then perhaps any other Reg out there. On the same note, I wouldn't recommend an AIR to anybody not putting it on an Angel.

Gain a basic knowledge about them and take care of them and they will take care of you and your baby.

[dynorock1]

aright i have a couple questions

to start, im sure you all have seen the new fill systems that a lot of tournies are using now. i believe they are called Kabar or somthing like that. anyway they are the deals that you hook up yourself, then push the button to start filling your tank. has anyone used these, or do you even know what im talking about. anyway when using these how do you prevent filling to fast?
(if you dont know the thing im talking about this will make no sense so ignore if needed)

also, Talon you said you would not recommend an AIR system to anyone without an angel, im just wondering why that is?

[Emmit]

when using one of those (like the NPPL does) you can't really do anything to slow down the flow rate of the air. You could of course get some sort of flow restrictor. I filled mine at Cup last year and didn't have any problems with it tho.

as for the AIR on a non Angel...I've seen plenty of them. One of the guys on my team uses one on his AIM Electro Cocker. I've known some people to set it up for LP and run it on a Matrix.