NEW JAM BOLT PICTURES (and first impressions)

[smasher41]

first off,i must say this: holy crap this thing is cool, stops rollback just as well as the soft face bolt, and the design is beyond amazing.
quality is top notch, nothing like the pics on jams site.
the face and back of the bolt are rounded.
the pin, which i was worried would be a trimmed down SS screw (had my old dezign bolt pin snapped during orlando 5man) is now a rounded pin, which appears to be held in place by a set screw, similar to the other jam bolts.

yes i did the finger test, expecting a huge blast of air, i pulled the trigger( while keeping tension on the bolt like i do with stock angel bolts) and it cycled but no shot.
it appears the jam bolt's spring creats enough pressure to lower the actual dwell time of the hammer, so it doesnt open the valve to release air. however if i allow the bolt to travel farther before it collapses on itself, it will pop the valve open, more distance, and BAM you get a shot. i would expect with paint it to either not open the valve or get the slight puff of air to the ball, nothing major that could blow the ball up with passing air.

also, any previous cocker owners would like to know this:
when the bolt is pushed forward, blowing down the feedtube almsot ZERO air can pass by. this has an amazing seal on both of my speeds. better seal = less blow back= faster possible rof with nonforcefed hoppers.

[smasher41]

more pics

[dynastySSS]

neat

[mamba_juice]

hm....it seems that they solved the major problems that the previous designs had. but i am still worried about the spring being too weak at high rof.

[Vantage_TeS]

Agreed, I see a kind of bolt lag.

[dynastySSS]

hmmm now that u mention that i would have to agree also

[sharps990]

yea it seems that the spring tension would have to be pretty strong to be able to reduce the dwell time so that the hammer wouldnt stike the valve. this one would think would also eliminate the bolt lag issue because if the bolt is that strong it would take a heck of a lot of inirtia for the hammer and bolt pin to move foreward but not the body of the bolt

seems like a sound design

i mite have to pick one up

smasher have you shot it w/ paint yet, have you done the vl 200 test yet

sharps

[IR3-ANGEL]

Is the bolt heavier than most bolts. It seems like it.

[smasher41]

off hand i cant tell the diff in weight of the jam bolt vs the soft face bolt.
i have not done the paint test, the field is closed today and i dont have paint.

hopefully this week ill get to it.
someone who got one friday used it witha vl200 and reported no chopping, and zero chops through a tourney the next day. ( pbnation)

[Tigre Tiburon]

That was me^.

He got it to me early so that I could use it for a tourney on Saturday. Before I got this bolt, I was having HORRENDOUS chopping. I couldn't even get through a gam with my gun. I dropped this bolt in, and ended up shooting about 4000 pbs in the tourney with NO CHOPS WHATESOEVER. This bolt is amazing, and I reccomend it to EVERYONE.

[Vantage_TeS]

But how about bolt lag? I can see it working fine at 12-14 even 16-18 bps, but get over that and the momentum of the bolt going back + the hammer trying to snap forward again would stress the spring and cause a delay.

[MoogLe]

But how about bolt lag? I can see it working fine at 12-14 even 16-18 bps, but get over that and the momentum of the bolt going back + the hammer trying to snap forward again would stress the spring and cause a delay.
yep, that was also something i thought about since the first time i heard of this bolt

[smasher41]

i was ripping at 19 today according to my a4 board in my speed. fastest the gun has ever gon for me:)

Tigre Tiburon, did u notice a puff sound or squeak when ripping on your gun? cool aint it?

my sensi is cracked and i was skipping and chopping a bit before the jam bolt.
shot some paint through it on break at work, ripped perfectly
velocity althoguh it dunno if it went up or down, was 264, 264, 263, 265
ripped on it, checked, 262 ( our chorno can be screwy so it could ahve been differnet the last shot in a string)
however just shooting it as fast as i could it have zero physical drop off in a string of paint. well until i ran outta air lol

[Wing Nut]

Anyone know the URL for JAM????

[Angel Nate]

Anyone know the URL for JAM????
www.jambolts.com

[Wing Nut]

Thanks, Angel Nate,

But.... JAM havn't updated their website with the new product........ :notsure:

[Angel Nate]

Thanks, Angel Nate,

But.... JAM havn't updated their website with the new product........ :notsure:
No problem. Check again soon.
-Nate

[mamba_juice]

youre running the bolt on the speed, right?

if so, because of the lower LPR pressure, it isn't opening the valve....my concern is that when you stick it into a gun such as an LCD with a higher pressure, it will still open the valve, blowing the bolt back (a bad thing).....if the spring were strong enough to stop 90-100psi of pressure, then it will certainly chop the ball.

[cveale]

But how about bolt lag? I can see it working fine at 12-14 even 16-18 bps, but get over that and the momentum of the bolt going back + the hammer trying to snap forward again would stress the spring and cause a delay.


yep, that was also something i thought about since the first time i heard of this bolt

However it's configured to work at 1 bps will be the same at 100 bps.

The cycle time of the bolt is the same for either fire rate. Just because it's cycling more times per second doesnt make each cycle more stressful than the one before it. The spring position will always be in the fully extented position at the beginning of each cycle because on the return the interia is helping the spring return to where it needs to be before the next cycle.

I don't see any problem here.

[mamba_juice]

there's concern that the spring won't return as fast as the gun cycles, not if it will stress the gun or not....but if it's strong enough to stop the hammer it wont be all that bad.

[smasher41]

im thinking it will stop airflow in all models of the angel.

i popped the bolt in the breach, and compressed the spring to where it would to simulate pinching a ball, the bolt body covers the air path hole. this i guess would cause that sqeak sounds as air escaped under the breach around the oring.

[cveale]

there's concern that the spring won't return as fast as the gun cycles, not if it will stress the gun or not....but if it's strong enough to stop the hammer it wont be all that bad.

This doesnt seem possible as the movement of the bolt back to a resting position works WITH the spring to return.

The only time a delay should be incurred is with the forward movement, which could always be accounted for with dwell adjustment.

No problems.

[jam enterprises]

Thanks, Angel Nate,

But.... JAM havn't updated their website with the new product........ :notsure:
the new angel bolt is there and ready for orders.
we have not put the pics of the production bolt yet , that's
all.
please check again.

[DynastyDYEir3]

i can see wwhere your right about the pressure being to high in one gun and the spring being to light or to heavy thus choping the ball but i dont chop anyways so why buy it

[mamba_juice]

becase people always want that extra defense when all the breaks you get in todays guns are because of crappy paint or breaking in the barrel...not the gun...i guess i'll have to pull out my old hype meter now.

[Nexxus]

im so picking one up once i sell all my eBay stuff =D

[FLIP16]

I was going to get one, but I fixed my chopping problems :D. Looks really good tho.

[vineas]

My sensi doesn't work anymore (hasn't for a while ... passes sensi-test but won't work in a game), so I've been shooting with it off and the MROF to 18 getting several chops a day with my uncut z-board eggo. All day on Sunday during a team practice, I shot with sensi off and my MROF maxed out to 25.

I'm not sure how much I shot, but probably around 4k shots of not-to fresh paint (left over at store from a tourney May 22nd). Of all those shots, I chopped only one ball (or it might have been an early barrel break, as there wasn't much paint on the bolt) and had 2 barrel breaks. I noticed many times where it would do a weird "chuff" sound ... meaning the JAM bolt was doing it's job and pinching paint instead of chopping it. I was ripping on it all day, shooting faster in-game than I have been able to since I got the A4 ... after every game I was checking and reseting my ROF indicator and it said 24 each time. Yeah, that is only the time between the 2 fastest balls, but still shows how I was ripping on it (the most it ever said when sensi was working was 21 I think, but usually much less).

My angel rips now, and I have to say I'm impressed with it again. With sensi, even when it was working I'd get occasional chops, but I could never really rip on the trigger like I can now. I definitely recommend this bolt to everyone with an angel.

[BossGVR4]

Chronod 291 287 288 today ..... worked flawlessly no sensi, no chops not even any "chuff" sounds ....

Won;t be getting EyeQ till this chops !

[smasher41]

i told you they rock :) ive been hooked on the anti chop bolts since the 1st cocker one i had, it worked so great, i had the store order a bunch ( have tried all made thusfar) and started to beg richard at JAM to make one, once in demand he got the ball rolling. they work as claimed, im glad im not the noly one who has loved the bolts.

[nogutsnoglory99]

wow i told kapp to do this 3 years ago,before the cocker version was even in prototype, big woop for kapp being the morons they are


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[Chief_Shift]

so over all , you trying both, which one is superior?

[fire1811]

got mine yesterday
and all i can say is WOW

this thing is awsome
stick my finger in breech and it didnt rip it off..sweeeet

[bunker17]

how much money are this things going for ?

[jam enterprises]

got mine yesterday
and all i can say is WOW

this thing is awsome

thanks.
stick my finger in breech and it didnt rip it off..sweeeet
we do not advise this but it is your finger.
the price is $55.00 for the anti chop bolt.

[fire1811]

lol yeah i bet
worked great though

[hodge1]

I am currious how often you guys hear the "chirf" sound when you all let off a fast stream of 10 or 15 balls? I mean do you here the "chirf" sound alot or is just every once and a while. Do you hear it once a day or once a hopper?

[A4*Jyim*]

I ordered one a few days ago, its comming soon, cant wait!
Angel EyeQ system with the Jam bolt, The Ultimate Angel!
AnGeL 4 TURBO

[booboo808]

I ordered one a few days ago, its comming soon, cant wait!
Angel EyeQ system with the Jam bolt, The Ultimate Angel!
AnGeL 4 TURBO

Have you actually ever chopped with your Fly? Mine hasn't, although I only had it about a month. ;)

[A4*Jyim*]

ok well i got my jam bolt today, but im getting some drop off on high speeds, anyone else getting this problem?

[fire1811]

yes i started having this problem also. :pat:

[smasher41]

check you paint to barrel match.
i found with a tight bore fit the bolt would start to collapse ratehr than feed the ball.
( which takes some of the pressure force of the ram pushing the ram open causing drop off)

i use a .692 Ul and have zero problems.

[trickytrix]

I'd just like to add that this bolt made a huge difference on my buddies 2000 LCD. We played Shatnerball yesterday at Challenge Park, and his LCD was chopping at least twice a hopper with a HALO B and the marker's MROF set to 16. We purchased a JAM bolt from the Centerflag tent and he didn't chop once the rest of the day. You could hear the marker chirp when it pinched the ball, and he still got skips, but not another chop the rest of the day. Excellent product, at least for my bro's LCD

[trickytrix]

Quick question - do these bolts work well with the new fly?

[smasher41]

they should, i threw mine in my fly on demo mode, sounded jsut like a normal bolt would, so id venture to say it keeps up just fine at 31 cps.