Still breaking paint :(

[Frank_McCrank]

Im still breaking paint :(

Semi 1
LPR i dunno cause i dont have the gauge... but its so low that i have to have 250-70psi on the minireg to get a FPS at about 250-260(probably too low i guess)
dwell 16
largest volumizer
sensi calibrated
passes sensi test
no sensi bounce
barrel/paint match is good
ram adjusted so you here a little "click" when you close the breach
detents are good, seems a little stiffer than other markers detents but not horribly stiff
output tank about 400psi
Evo2 hopper
Zap primer paintballs
the paint is really brittle, throw it in the ground with really little force and it breaks... could that be the problem? really brittle paint or does low LPR and high dwell eliminate this?
tried better paint but it didnt get any better... i have 2 cases with good paint im gonna try out, diablo nightmare....

anything im forgetting? am i just really dumb or is there something wrong?


sometimes i can shoot 1bps and the ball just breaks, other times i can shoot as fast as i can without anything happening and sometimes i shoot fast and the paint breaks...

[mpire123]

I would say it's the paint. Try running it in Semi 3. It's what I used when I had my 4. No problems. Also, do you have the Z-board for the Egg?

[Frank_McCrank]

no just the regular... y-board

[52brandon]

my guess would be the bolt. Try switching it out with someone else that shoots a 4. It is a break right? Not a chop? Also, maybe it is the detents. If the are too stiff and you use real brittle paint, the paint might break when trying to push by the detents, try unscrewing them a bit to test (don't leave them like that as they could unscrew and fall out)

[Frank_McCrank]

it breaks yeah. how can you chop at 1bps? or sometimes the first shot breaks, how can you chop at that? its a break, not a chop. gonna go and try out

[Frank_McCrank]

with the better paint and the detents a little loose it worked fine... lets just hope it wasnt just luck... i screwed the detents all inn and it worked fine too... for some reason im at 280+- at the same minireg pressure... got a little tourney tomorrow so ill hope all the breaks are gone...

[thog94]

You are going to want to check the LPR, as you stated you don't know what it is. A tool kit would be highly recommended. It also sounds like junk paint.

[Frank_McCrank]

i tried to get hold of a tool kit, but they were sold out....

[cveale]

It's probably the detents. They should move easily when pressed and the detent cover should be all the way in. If the detents get "sticky" for some reason then brittle paint is going to explode. I had that issue once when I messed with my springs too much. The spring might be in the wrong way on the detent as well. I put mine in with the side of the spring that has the smaller (more narrow) spring coil nearest to the detent.

[Frank_McCrank]

ive fixed the paintball breaking on the bolt problem... BUT! now my sensi is behaving all weird... i turn on marker, make sure sensi in on and calibrated... play a game, put it on safe after, when i put it on live again, the red light is flashing but i can shoot fast without balls in semi 1 or 3, then i turn off sensi and on again then i shoots with short pauses between shots without balls as it should. but when i try to rip it shoots 4-5 shots, pause, 2-3, pause etc...

[Frank_McCrank]

anyone got any ideas??

[52brandon]

mine did the same thing for a while. I think it was that after putting so much paint through it the sensi rod started to flatten on the top and not press as hard down on the pad, I THINK. All I did was take a polishing attachment on a dremel, and hit the tip on all sides, but not from the top and it solved my problem. I also cleaned my gun really good, especially in the sensi area, so that might be what solved it too, I'm really not that confident on this one. Let me know how it turns out

[Frank_McCrank]

hmm seems sensi wont calibrate anymore... cleaned the whole sensi thing and used a new rod and its still dont work properly...

[dynastySSS]

i would lower ur dwell. i had an issue with my dwell for the past week or so but i lowered it a lil right b4 a tourney and she ripped hard. hope that helps

[Frank_McCrank]

hmmm could it be sensi bounce?

[KEN CRANE]

anyone got any ideas??


give me a call tommorow night(tuesday)and ill walk you thru some stuff. 508-759-5130 after 530 est

[Frank_McCrank]

are you aware of my location?

[dynastySSS]

norway ken norway lol

[cveale]

Sounds like you have a SENSI issue Frank if it won't calibrate correctly. When you test the SESNI rod .. do you tilt the gun sideways at a 45 degree angle and let the balls roll into the rod instead of dropping them straight down? Try that and see how many out of 20 pass.

What exactly do you mean that it won't calibrate correctly?

[Frank_McCrank]

without calibrating the sensi it passes 20 out of 20...
after shooting 20 balls or so it passes 20 out of 20, but still i can rip dry fire in semi 3...

[cveale]

Ok, you have the gun in SENSI mode 3.. SENSI is on (the red light is flashing - NOT SOLID), and you fire the first 20 shots after turning the gun on (with SENSI on ). You continue to dry fire after the balls are gone , without turning the gun off , and you are able to fire rapidly ?

Did I get this right? If that's correct, then your gun is failing to calibrate which makes me think that either you are not calibrating the gun correctly (first shots after turning the gun on), SENSI is hozed and you are not entirely sure how to do the drop tests, or for some reason your gun's firing signature looks exactly like a ball to the SENSI causing SESNI bounce.

If its the latter, try putting a dab of Angel grease under the plastic SENSI assembly. Make sure that the grip frame is not loose and is securly tightened to the body of the gun (Not too tight, you don't want to strip the screws). Make sure that the SENSI rod is cleaned out and that the rod is smooth and doesn't have any plastic pieces that might catch the wall.

Also, you might try changing the gun's firing signature by altering the operating pressures. It's very helpful to have a LPR gauge to do this, but you can do it without one. If you don't have the large volumizer on the gun, then put it on. This should allow you to lower your operating pressure out of the minireg. If you already have one on your gun then your pressure out of the minireg is waaay to high and you need to lower it. Lower it to around 190 psi and check your velocity. If its way too low then you need to add a shim to your LPR. Try playing with the dwell/minireg output pressure as well. Find a combination that has the smoothest firing results.

Anway, check that out.. Good luck.

[Frank_McCrank]

yes i fire 20 or so balls, dry fire rapidly after that... sensi is on, flashing red light. i havent had any problems before with calibrating. so something must be wrong with the sensi and not me doing something wrong.
have the large volumizer on with around 210psi on the minireg.

gonna try what you have suggested, but i dont have any grease so ill have to wait until i get hold of some

[Frank_McCrank]

i took out the sensi pad thing and put it back in... got out to try to see if i were doing something wrong. a hopper full, shot the usual 10-15 shots with slow consistent speed and then tried to rip as fast as it is possible with a VL200 loader and it worked great! no chops, when i got empty it shot with puases between each shot... so i dunno... gonna grease under the pad when i get grease and do a couple of tests when i get air on my tank just to make sure everything is okey... i had only 500 psi on the tank so maybe the low pressure did remove the sensi bounce...

[Frank_McCrank]

grrr but sensi gets uncalibrated after i put it on safe and live again... i calibrated it.. pauses between shots... turned on safe and then live and i could fire rapidly...

[52brandon]

just buy a new one, they are only $15. That should fix any and all problems with it. Maybe also buy an extra pack of sensi rods, which are $5 for 3.

[Frank_McCrank]

i would i they had any here in norway... thats why i have to fix it...

[52brandon]

true. But, unfortunately, the fact of the matter is - they will break, maybe it isn't broken now, but it will break. Maybe stock up, buy as many as you think you will need for a while (or until you can get it retroed) and bite the bullet on the insane shipping.

[Frank_McCrank]

where could i order a couple from?

[52brandon]

ask Ken if he can ship it to you, I'm sure he would be more than happy to help you out. If he can't, try the other sponsors, they are all nice guys and will go out of their way to help you, if it is possible.

[Frank_McCrank]

sent him a msg now... meanwhile ill try to fix the sensi after suggestions

[smasher41]

ill be posting a mod in a few days that may help your chopping problems. basically its adding a shock absorber under the sensi to dumb it down a bit so it isnt as sensitive to recoil of the gun. this way it doesnt fire rapidly without paint. ive seena few angels with a problem jsut like yours that have been sured by this mod.

once i find my digi cam ill show ya.

[smasher41]

http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=24383

there is the mod, give it a try if your willing, but be careful around the sensi

[Frank_McCrank]

if i could get my hands on one of those o-rings...

[smasher41]

ask your local shop?

[Frank_McCrank]

this is norway... we dont have a local shop in every town :P

[Fistofthenorthstar]

I think is better you order your stuff directly from England at wdp. First they produce this stuff and its nearer then america. second i ordered stuff from performanceangel in january and i'm still waiting... :cry:

[Frank_McCrank]

you're probably right...

something is wrong with the sensi or with my evo2 y-board loader...

i set my A4 to bounce, really tight pull + TR 1. i shot 1 shot and it started to trigger bounce, but kept getting these short pauses and this was at a really low ROF. like maybe 9 or 10. could it be the sensi rod thats flat, dirty rod channel etc. or that the evo2 isnt feeding properly.. new batteries are in it...

didnt chop one single ball out of 2500 i shot behind my house. you should see the rocks behind here. all pink!

[KEN CRANE]

I think is better you order your stuff directly from England at wdp. First they produce this stuff and its nearer then america. second i ordered stuff from performanceangel in january and i'm still waiting... :cry:

be very careful what you order from the u.s. right now.ups and fedex have gone to a total no paintball export to europen countries(they said clothing is an exception).we are working with the usps and they transfer it to dhl world wide.we have had more product returned in the last month and we i was told this is a new shipping rule.i have a copy of the new rule if anyone wants a link so they can decide how to have gear shipped.

[Vantage_TeS]

I wonder why they started doing that. It seems that these new rules are sucking ALOT. We had alot of problems at work (Hewlett-Packard) cause they wouldn't allow us to track our OWN packages anymore.

[Fistofthenorthstar]

@Ken
So what you are gonna do with my already payed stuff? Because i'm still waiting.. By the way I ordered before 2 weeks a JD Fly from Cobrapaintball and it took only 1 week and i had it at home (Fedex). So why does my stuff take over six month? I have no problem if you tell me that you are not able to send it anymore. In this case I know i would never ever order something from you again and i forget my 200 bucks. Its not my style to do it like this but since march you never answerd on your PM nor my mails at performanceangel.