Fly A4 Conversion Information Updated

[KEN CRANE]

Total fly conversion information is here now.


Ok let me first say thank you to all of those that were patient and waited for the final release of information by us. This has been a long and difficult project. You must all understand we have not simply taken a 30.00 board and fit it into a gun and glued some wires on the outside, anyone can do that. We have partnered with wdp the company we as the mts work for to give you the absolute best product for your money. We as master techs and the force 4 guys have never and never will produce a product that isn’t completely approved and indorsed by the factory. Why you may ask ? Because we have the utmost respect for our product not to do anything that’s not 100 % the best for you as the customer.wdp shows us the highest respect for what we do for them and we feel the same for what we do to the wdp product. the fly conversion kit for the angel 4 will be a new fly board, new fly ribbon, new fly eye strap and custom milled eye cover to make the job look as good as it did from the factory. The speed conversion will consist of the same parts with the added bonus of having the fly board and screen. The wdp approved and indorsed conversion kit has a list of benefits over anything out in the market. The first thing is that you retain all the factory modes and now added ones when the gun is converted. We are also drilling and blocking the diverter area to help straighten the flow of air to the lpr as well as helping to lower the lpr pressures as on the new flys.the next thing is a gun that looks like it came from the manufacture when it’s done. Next are you having 6 warranty stations all waiting to help you should you need service? Next you get a 100 % backing from wdp on this conversion. NO other eye modification does or will have this seal of approval. Stop and think for a moment why you as a wdp angel owner would you want to have wires and epoxy as well as loosing your display futures removed from your gun when with the mt/angel force conversion kit we give you more? As you see we by far have the finest eye conversion on the market. I want to give you all a little background on this project. We as master techs have been working on this conversion before anyone out side of our group even knew that the fly was being released. we sat with Frazer and others at sky ball 03 and dissected the new gun to see the best possible method of helping customers convert there a4s and speeds to keep them current with the fly. We milled drilled and banged heads together and came up with the current configuration. We presented it to wdp and hands down they approved it. As a matter of fact john rice was quite impressed with Russ and his handy work on the first conversion. As most of you also know we gave emmitt the first converted a4 that now has well over 30,000 shots on it with no problems at all. We have been testing prototypes for months now just to see if we could break them without any luck. As well Russ added bugs into emits and we can’t get it to fail! Ok enough with the marketing bs.heres the nuts and bolts as a recap.

1) We are using 100 % wdp manufactured parts right down to the screws. all parts can be replaced as long as one of us is in business (so I see no parts issues here)
2) We are not using any glue epoxy or anything that will keep you from cleaning the eyes.
3) Wdp is completely endorsing this project.(no one else will have this distinction)
4) We are adding futures to your gun not removing them
5) Your gun will perform just as well as the fly
6) If you attend the major tourneys around the country you will be provided 100% service and not be turned away because your other mod. Has failed due to parts issues.
7) Were really nice guys…



Ok new pricing is as follows there will be no exceptions or substations to this upgrade.

A4) 299.00 USD with the exchange of your old a4 board. With this you receive all the parts I listed above and a complete tune up. All guns will be tested before installing the conversion kit and any defective parts and shipping are extra. We will contact each customer on an individual basis if this happens.

Speed owners) 399.00 USD with the exchange of your old board. The same circumstances apply as above on the speed.

I understand that this isn’t as we originally planned but with the addition of the speed needing a new screen it was necessary to add this into the price. Also we are working with very costly electronic boards so it’s easy for others to charge the same for much less. We hope you are interested to have the best with the manufactures blessing to go along with everything else.

The boards are due in to us in a week. Understand also we threw a wrench into things when we ordered 500 more of everything than was planned at wdp so the board company had to scramble to supply us quickly. All the force 4 guys will have links on there sites in the next week to sign up for the conversion as well as all Canadian conversions will be directed to badlands.

Take a look at the finished product and tell me what you would want.

[winter001]

One quick question, what would the price be for a Speed that has an A4 board?

[KEN CRANE]

One quick question, what would the price be for a Speed that has an A4 board?

if you have purchaced an a4 board then it would be 299.00 with the exchange.

[spec_v]

can i use my current detent so that it matches my ano, and are all the eye covers gonna be in silver, not even a gloss black which would somewhat match. Black detent would be fine too.

[Emmit]

can i use my current detent so that it matches my ano, and are all the eye covers gonna be in silver, not even a gloss black which would somewhat match. Black detent would be fine too.
the detents on the marker will remain, you'll note that I've got the Warped Sportz Iron Cross detents on mine, and I still have them.

[dynastySSS]

thanks for the awsome update ken.. i look forward to the week comeing... and do you start the flying next week when you get the boards in or just the signing up part??

THANKS TO ALL THE MTS YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!!!!

[yzrm1]

I have a small question will we also get the manual cd or just have to download it, because of the new fly board, I can't see it being that much different from the 4 board?

once again Thanks MTs

[Emmit]

the Fly board is quite different from the 4 board, and your best bet is to download the manual from WDP and print out what you need.

[mute]

Just out of curiousity, is the LCD price going to be 399 as well?

[DeDSoL]

great... awsome man... ok well ... luv the price... one question... hows the schedual gonna be... f4's first? then 4's? then speeds? how will we go about signing up?

anyway thanks a heep load.

[sharps990]

400 aww man

looks like this ones going to have to wait to christmas

sharps

[IwanaANGEL]

i got my box ready now I just need to find $400 big ones

[KEN CRANE]

Just out of curiousity, is the LCD price going to be 399 as well?

dont know yet

[zuznon]

Ken,

Can't wait until your ready to do IR3's, I have two ready to send if it doesn’t get too expensive. Any ideas when you will be ready to do them?

Curious to do the IR3s and LCDs what other parts will have to be replaced i.e. solenoid, battery and what else?

[C]-[iLDe]

Hey what happened to the link to that radio show that had an interview with Ken? That was a very informative and interesting segment.

[C.Carles-AOG]

http://www.paintballchannel.com/fbradio/FB050304.mp3

Posted up by Furby. Not sure about the original.

[C]-[iLDe]

http://www.paintballchannel.com/fbradio/FB050304.mp3

Posted up by Furby. Not sure about the original.


THATS what i was looking for, thanks. I believe someone mentioned that Ken's interview started in the 20th minute of the show...

[pimpinsaylor]

i thought force members got the eye coves that the fly has?

[Sparco]

-[iLDe']THATS what i was looking for, thanks. I believe someone mentioned that Ken's interview started in the 20th minute of the show...

Yes, his interview is towards the end. I believe the 22nd minute or so.

[dannypwr]

Does this price include shipping or it that extra?

[C]-[iLDe]

im pretty sure shipping will be extra, it usually is.

[52brandon]

Is it still going to be 350 without the board exchange on the A4? I am planning to milk what I can out of my gun before I send it on for the retro fit. I am also curious about how you guys will start accepting them, will there be a certain order, is it first come first serve, or can you make appointments?

[poppabear]

Ken, can you please check your mail, i sent you an email the other day in regards to this. thanks.

p.s. it came from jose.rios@attws.com

[C.Carles-AOG]

Jose, check this: http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=23461

He stated he had issues for a while, so try him again, he may have not received it before.

Thanks.

[Emmit]

http://performanceangel.com/index2.php?x=retro

It seems that they have at least started setting it up to take information from users.

[iTh_s]

Ken, is this kit also for the force4?

[dynastySSS]

yes

[Ted Lesiak]

Ken I live local so do I still have to fill out that sign up Info with payment information or can I just drop off my force at your shop and pay then? also how long will the conversion take? thanks Ted

[matthepepe]

ted i do believe they are using the form as a sort of place holder in line. So the earlier you sign up and the transaction is complete the sooner you're gun will get done. now i could be wrong, but logically there has to be some sort of order.

[MXPBman806]

I have one Question, when is the LCD and IR3 mods for the Fly conversion going to be out?

[sak45]

is there any tentative turn around time once the retro fitting has begun?

[spec_v]

Ken I live local so do I still have to fill out that sign up Info with payment information or can I just drop off my force at your shop and pay then? also how long will the conversion take? thanks Ted

im from RI, where abouts are u?

[Ted Lesiak]

Im from Mass 16 exits North up RT.3 from Kens shop.

[SunTzu]

as i understand all the MT centers are located in America will it be available for european customers also without sending the marker to the US. If so can i get some lsitings for all european sites that do the same conversion kit

thank you

[spec_v]

Im from Mass 16 exits North up RT.3 from Kens shop.
does this place maybe have a name?

[Ted Lesiak]

Oh you mean Kens shop? if you scroll up to the top of this page you'll see 7-links and Kens shop is "performance Angel" at the right on the end. it is also Cape Cod Paintball but if you want to deal with Ken link onto the performance site theres way more info.

He's located a 1/4 mile from the Bourne rotary in cape cod. don't go to the Teaticket address thats for deliverys only.

[drkanglr]

Ted, he wants to know where you live, brother. Name of the town, street, something. I'm thinking he knows about Ken's joint, his original question was about where you are.

[C]-[iLDe]

http://performanceangel.com/index2.php?x=retro

It seems that they have at least started setting it up to take information from users.

OK im a little unclear about this. Is this the list for everybody, or just the list for those who will be getting their upgrades from Performance Angel in MA? :dunno: I filled out the form anyway, but im planning to send my gun in to AngelParts.com (All Star Pb). Did i fill out the right form for the right store?

[thog94]

As I understand it, the form is for Performance only.

[IwanaANGEL]

yeah its for Performance only because Fixmyangel.com also has its own...

[Ted Lesiak]

Duh! sorry about that. Im from Weymouth, Mass.

[RonnyMcDYO]

http://www.paintballchannel.com/fbradio/FB050304.mp3, does this link work for everyone else cause it keeps telling me its unavailable :notsure:

[firemedic30]

try saving it. Then listen. He said it would only be around for a short while before going into archives.

[scooter]

I don't see anything on the Badlands site, is this available in Canada? Premium?

[thog94]

The only place in Canada that the conversion kit will be available at is Badlands. Trevor is the only MT in Canada. I'm sure that he'll post info on his site when he's ready to take customers. As you can see down here it's just a sign up waiting sheet, nothing is being done yet.

[djblotter]

hopefully Trevor will be doin it soon I can't wait!!! My FA4 has worked flawlessly but I am a gizmo freak and always need the latest and greatest.Up for the MT's and the only MT in Canada Trevor :bigok:



:emmit:

[laysomepaint]

i have a question.
Can we have the MTs bend the leaf on the board to lighten the trigger for those of us getting the retrofit as part of the upgrade? Or do we have to choose between paying more or doing it ourselves?

Not like its hard or anything (did it to my speed), id just rather you do it than me.

thanks

[areyoui]

Has anyone heard back from Ken after submitting the email?

[spec_v]

didnt submit an email from him but he did just tell me over the phone they are still waiting on parts

[thog94]

Parts should be in shortly...

[Worr Angel]

Has anyone heard back from Ken after submitting the email?

No not yet. I think they will wait for the parts before they respond.

[KEN CRANE]

No not yet. I think they will wait for the parts before they respond.


thats the reason we havent responded is that we are waiting on product.like i had said we will not start until we have a complete stock of parts so when we start they are no delays.were right around the corner guys just hang in there.

[BEEF]

i have an '02 LCD should i sign up now or wait, and do you have any idea when you will be able to begin on the LCD's

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

right now the sign up is only for speed/4's from wat i can tell, just be patient, when the mt's are allowed to tell us something, we'll know

[KEN CRANE]

Conversion Information Updated


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Total fly conversion information is here now.


Firstly I would like to thank everyone for their patience. This has been a long and difficult project. You must all understand we have not simply taken a 30.00 board, screwed it into a gun and glued some wires on the outside - anyone can do that.



Angel Force has partnered with WDP, the company we, as Master-Techs, represent, to give you the absolute best product for your money. As Master Techs/Angel Force we would never produce a product that wasn’t isn’t factory approved and endorsed. Why? Because we have the utmost respect for our customers, and would not do anything that’s not 100 % in your best interest. WDP respect Angel Force for the quality of work and level of service we provide. We in return show them the same respect by only working with their product where legitimate improvements can be made.



The fly conversion kit for the angel 4 will be a new fly board, new fly ribbon, new fly eye strap and custom milled eye cover to deliver a factory-built look.



The speed conversion will consist of the same parts with the added bonus of having the fly board and screen.



This WDP indorsed conversion kit has the following benefits.



You retain all the factory Modes

You gain specialized unique Angel Force firing modes – generated by the Master Techs themselves.(for force 4 owners)

We drill and block the diverter-plate reservoir, to straighten the flow of air to the LPR and significantly lower the LPR pressure.

You get a clean, neat “factory-built’ look with no glue, mess or unsightly gunk on the side of your beautiful Angel

You get 6 fully qualified warranty stations, all waiting to help you should you need service

You keep your factory Warranty. NO other eye modification has this seal of approval.



Stop and think for a moment why you, as an Angel owner, would want to have wires and epoxy on your gun, or lose your display features, when the Angel Force conversion kit will give you more? As you see we have the finest eye conversion on the market.



Here is a little background on this project. As master techs we have been working on this conversion before anyone outside of our group even knew the Fly existed. We sat with Frazer and others at sky ball 03 and dissected the new Angel Fly to see the best possible method of converting A4s and Speeds to keep them current with the fly’s awesonme technology and firepower. We milled, drilled and banged heads until we came up with the current configuration. We presented it to WDP and they approved it, the first time a non-factory upgrade has ever been approved by them (they are perfectionists). As a matter of fact John Rice was impressed with Russ and his handy work on the conversion. As most of you also know we gave Emmitt the first converted A4 , which now has well over 30,000 shots on it, no chops, no breaks, no problem. We have been testing prototypes for months to see if we could break them, without any luck. Russ even added bugs into Emmits converted A4 and we can’t get it to fail!





Ok enough with the marketing bs.heres the nuts and bolts as a recap.

1) We are using 100 % wdp manufactured parts right down to the screws. all parts can be replaced as long as one of us is in business (so I see no parts issues here)
2) We are not using any glue epoxy or anything that will keep you from cleaning the eyes.
3) Wdp is completely endorsing this project.(no one else will have this distinction)
4) We are adding futures to your gun - not removing them
5) Your gun will perform as the Angel Fly
6) If you attend the major tourneys around the country you will be provided 100% service

7) We’re really nice guys…



Ok new pricing is as follows there will be no exceptions or substations to this upgrade.

A4) 299.00 with the exchange of your old a4 board. With this you receive all the parts I listed above and a complete tune up. All guns will be tested before installing the conversion kit and any defective parts are extra. We will contact each customer on an individual basis if this happens.

Speed owners) 399.00 with the exchange of your old board. The same circumstances apply as above on the speed.

I understand that this isn’t as we originally planned but with the addition of the speed needing a new screen it was necessary to add this into the price. Also we are working with very costly electronic boards so it’s easy for others to charge the same for much less. We hope you are interested to have the best with the manufactures blessing to go along with everything else.

The boards are due in to us in a week. Understand also we threw a wrench into things when we ordered 500 more of everything than was planned at wdp so the board company had to scramble to supply us quickly. All the force 4 guys will have links on there sites in the next week to sign up for the conversion as well as all Canadian conversions will be directed to badlands.

Take a look at the finished product and tell me what you would want.

[rebelace12]

Awesome! Sounds great Ken

[C]-[iLDe]

WOW Ken seperated his post into coherent paragraphs! And LOOK!!! He used punctuation too! Commas, periods, hyphens and everything!

easy guy my boys will attack :niener: :niener:

[acoenfam1]

I just put my name on the list with Fix My Angel. Gonna have to change my sig soon, can't wait!

[chef-x]

one quicky do we get to keep our sensi's? one of me team mates could use an extra.

[dynastySSS]

KEN!!!! did you get my pm... any ways thanks for rthe update.

[pimpinsaylor]

When can we send them in!!!!??????

[IwanaANGEL]

put ur name on the list and they will call u...

[dynastySSS]

they didnt call me :dunno:

[DeDSoL]

lol me neither :lifeaway:

[acoenfam1]

The way I understand it you gotta wait your turn.

[Billymac76]

calm down they will call when they call.
(damn i just relized i just read 5 pages, phew..)

[Emmit]

they didnt call me :dunno:
then that means you can't send it in yet....doesn't sound like a difficult concept to grasp if you ask me

[Ted Lesiak]

you have to PM me and I'll call you back? I'll send you back my address and then you send me the gun its as simple as that. when Im done with it I'll send it back to you, these things cannot be rushed!

[Paintballjc]

Now, all i need is 400 dollars..... Today i was looking at the Ace/Was board... the i found this!!! So, i should be sending my speed in once i get the money!

[pimpinsaylor]

i thought force 4 owners were placed at the from of the line!!!???? :yikes:

[Ted Lesiak]

only when they're giving out free hotdogs..

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

i cant wait already, i'm about to drop my gun off at impact and ask mark or jim that when they get the parts, that i be the first one they install it on lol.

[padrinot]

with all the a4s being sent in will there be any spare a4 boards laying around id like to pick one up for cheap if they are ?

[IwanaANGEL]

i cant wait already, i'm about to drop my gun off at impact and ask mark or jim that when they get the parts, that i be the first one they install it on lol.

Grr I want to be the first to get Eye on my speed but i guess that wont be happening because i dont have $$$

with all the a4s being sent in will there be any spare a4 boards laying around id like to pick one up for cheap if they are ?
Yeah I wanted to knw the same because i dont have the money to get Eye'd

[SlasherXII]

:drink: Turned in my A4 at Angel Service Center this Monday with Russ, they said I should be getting back hopefully by the end the week.. :pileocrap

[Heracy]

How does the kit change the rof on the speed? how much increase do you get? and is the gun still reliable like the stock speed.

[IwanaANGEL]

after the service the gun will be reliablER

[Heracy]

Any rof increasE?????

[dynastySSS]

porabaley have you seen emmit vid????

[Heracy]

no where can i find it??? someone was claiming a 5-6 bps increase is that possible??

[djblotter]

Gentlemen


PLEASE remember that the MT's won't be able to respond to your PM's till next week as the majority of them are gonna be in Miami. So please be patient....they will answer all your PM's as soon as they get back I am sure :bigone:

[mpire123]

I couldn't wait any longer, so I broke down and bought a Fly last week. I already miss the 4 though.

[Hep]

After shooting my team mates fly4 I hate using my F4, even though its a sweet gun and the sensi is working its nothing like a fly!! Just got through the break in period with his Fly and dropped the lpr to 48 psi it has no kick single shoting it. Now when you rip if has VERY little kick or I should say elivation to the gun. MAD @SS consitent over the chrono. Fly absolutely ripps with no chops. Only breaks where in the barrel and that was with some cheap trial paint. Anything else it was rippin and the hopper couldn't feed fast enough it seemed. (halo B) The fly gun and upgrade are hands down worth it 10X IMO.
Hep

[C.Carles-AOG]

Gentlemen


PLEASE remember that the MT's won't be able to respond to your PM's till next week as the majority of them are gonna be in Miami. So please be patient....they will answer all your PM's as soon as they get back I am sure

They're in Tampa.

[russ]

Not to worry I'm sure we can still handle it.

[Emmit]

I'm even converting some other players to Angels with my gun the last couple of weekends. One of my teammates just bought a used Fly, and I know a few other people who after either using my marker or just seeing it/shooting it for a few seconds are jumping on this thing hardcore. There's a local guy who has to shoot Shockers (only bad part about a team sponsorship I guess) and he's falling in love with my Angel after only shooting it one game. He admits that it's faster than his Shocker (with all the "team" stuff in it) and that it shoots sweet as hell. He can't get over how nice it shoots. I can't wait to get my Force Fly and get it set up now too.

[KEN CRANE]

ok guys were almost there,i (we) will no longer release any info unless we can be 100 % sure things can happen in the time frame we talk about.we are expecting our boards late next week so we can distribute them to all of the guys doing the project.what has happened is the fly has been such a huge success that parts have been directed to building guns as fast as wdp can.were on track now and stock has been updated as of yesterday.we are sorry for any issues this may have caused but this whole thing is a giant learning curve,others that do things like this will make excuses we will say it like it is.stay with us and we will be releasing a date and a new way to do the lcd,ir3 in late summer.dont w.a.s/a.c.e. it fly it and wait for the best it will be worth it !!!!

[C.Carles-AOG]

I think I have a good question Ken ;-)
What would be the recommended settings (or guideline) for a A4 and a SPEED with the MT conversion, respectively?
A4 with MT = yada(lpr), yada(input pressure), yada(TR), yada(etc)
SPEED with MT = yada(lpr), yada(input pressure), yada(TR), yada(etc)

Thanks Ken!

[Heracy]

stupid question when doing the conversion on the speed do you get the same great results as a fly?? i know the fly fires smoother and seems to be faster, But i cant get anyone to say that.

[C]-[iLDe]

ANOTHER delay? Jeez.

[KEN CRANE]

-[iLDe']ANOTHER delay? Jeez.

did i mention that complainers get put to the back of the line ? :niener: :niener: :niener: thats 2 strikes....

[bower23]

Great job ken!! You're the best!!

Did I get moved up any?
Worth a shot..... :lol:

[SlasherXII]

I hope that pushed me up :bouncer: I can wait, I got a Fly already, I love it, and i'm sure my A4 Flied won't disappoint either :cheers:

[Angel Nate]

Emmit, I just got back from Ken's shop.
Spoke to you over the phone,
checked out your flied A4.....wow, sweet gun.
Will you be needing it anytime soon? I could take care of it for you, you know, only if you wanted me to..(heh)
-Nate

[bobjim]

I think it will well be worth the wait. Too bad I won't be able to get my hands on some serious cash anytime soon. I guess I'll have to wait until the end of summer but oh well. Its going to just blow everything away! yay WDP empire!

[Angel Nate]

-[iLDe']ANOTHER delay? Jeez.
Maybe, just maybe it's not the easiest thing in the world to keep up with about 30-40 orders online for the kit, they are working hard on it. the wait will be worth it...
-Nate

[Emmit]

Emmit, I just got back from Ken's shop.
Spoke to you over the phone,
checked out your flied A4.....wow, sweet gun.
Will you be needing it anytime soon? I could take care of it for you, you know, only if you wanted me to..(heh)
-Nate
Did ya get to shoot it? I told Ken to let you guys have a go at it for a bit. I do however need it back;) It's my only means of playing right now

[angelled123]

So will it ever be available for the led? I wanted to get mine done this christmas but maybe my hopes and dreams will be shattered? It will probobly cost more that the lcd but I'm willing to pay it.

[Angel Nate]

Did ya get to shoot it? I told Ken to let you guys have a go at it for a bit. I do however need it back;) It's my only means of playing right now
Unfortunatley I did not, I still had fun clicking the trigger while talking to people on Ken's laptop.
When is he sending it back to you?
By the way, I like the Emmit banner on your display. Im loving that magnetic trigger as well...
If he has it next time Im up there, I will definetly take a closer look. Oops, Ken just got out of the bathroom...
-Nate

[Emmit]

Ken has it for a couple of days. He has to send it back to me this week as I need it for next weekend. I told him to thinker with it and get it going good. I told him to let people wail on it while you guys were in there so if you get the chance you should be able to have a go.

The "Live Emmit" is just the Boot Text, I did it to my IR3 as well.

The trigger is the magnetic install that Russ did.

[IwanaANGEL]

OMG i want to be a MOD so badly!!!!

with the boot text can any1 do that or only MTs?

[Angel Nate]

Yeah, I was only clicking it, I heard JC shooting it though...whoa!
Then he had to stop because Ken told him to shut up...oh well.
Next time!
-Nate

[Emmit]

Anyone can change the Boot Text, just look in the manual it tells you how to.

Nate...that figures;) Go see him on Monday;)

[Angel Nate]

Hes closed Monday!

[Emmit]

:owned:

[Angel Nate]

yeah yeah....I will be rippin on that thing soon..

[angelled123]

So will it ever be available for the led? I wanted to get mine done this christmas but maybe my hopes and dreams will be shattered? It will probobly cost more that the lcd but I'm willing to pay it.

[mhill65]

What all does the tune up include? Will it be things like lower LPR and stuff and make it optimized dwell settings etc.?

[DeDSoL]

guys.. can u just read, all these questions have been awnsered b4... just look around.. basiclly IT WILL BE AN A4FLY... think about it :wall:

[mhill65]

I dont think the topic of the tune up has been addressed in depth. I know it will have the eyes and board, I wanted to know what all that would be done during the tune up, and I did read the thread so back off.

[Tony87]

I want to get this done for my speed but my speed board is broken right now. Does that mean im going to have to get it fixed/replaced before i can send it in just to get a new board anyways?

[Emmit]

yes they are obviously going to have to tune the marker as they have to completely disassemble it in order to do the conversion.

as for the nonworking marker, you should contact the Service Center you intend to have do your conversion. They have stated that they will need to be able to test the marker prior to beginning the conversion.

[IwanaANGEL]

not to be a cheapo or anything but is the A4 borads going to be cheaper now?

[C]-[iLDe]

did i mention that complainers get put to the back of the line ? :niener: :niener: :niener: thats 2 strikes....

Wow man thats harsh. Hey, if i didnt complain about the delays that would mean i wasn't interested in buying the retrofit kit!

[KEN CRANE]

-[iLDe']Wow man thats harsh. Hey, if i didnt complain about the delays that would mean i wasn't interested in buying the retrofit kit!

come on now were not getting sensitive are we ? lol :peace: :peace: :peace:

[sjammer]

if i want to change the trigger in addition to the upgrade do i need purchase the trigger and send it with the marker or can i just purchase at the time of the upgrade?

[MXPBman806]

Is there an estimated time when the conversion kit will be out for LCD's?

[Yeknomian]

Yes I'd too like to know if this angel eyes mod will ever be available for the IR3?

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

it has been ansered before, yes, but for now they will be workin to bring us the upgrade for a4's and speeds first since they are the most recent model, ir3's and lower models will be later later

[Yeknomian]

:cheers: Awesome :cheers:

[Blood_Red_A4]

I love you monkey peeing on the smart parts logo! Too Good!!!

[MXPBman806]

Yea, my teammate who shoots a freak factory imp sent me a bunch of stuff like that, and yes it had the words angel printed on it with a guy peeing on it, but he was holding an Angel(didnt feel to great about that)

[Yeknomian]

thanks but Back to the topic :owned: .... Ken, do you have a time approximation when the mod will be available for IR3's etc ?

[52brandon]

They haven't even gotten to the A4s yet. I would bank on the end of the year personally, but when he knows I'm sure he will share the info with everybody else. Nothing against you, but people have asked this and about the LCD throughout this whole topic, do you think he accidentally forgot to answer each time, he is probably trying to ignore these posts and focus his time on more important things, like taking care of what he has on hand

[Angel Nate]

Asking the same question over and over again isn't going to get you anywhere.
When everything is ready....HE WILL POST!
Let him just do his thing...

[Yeknomian]

alright thanks... and mr Nate chill out.

[Angel Nate]

alright thanks... and mr Nate chill out.
brrr...very chilly my friend!
-Nate

[sjammer]

we getting any closer yet? :notsure:

[C]-[iLDe]

Yeah whats the good word?

[KEN CRANE]

we have some new stuff in our bag of tricks that will suprise all.i said i wouldnt release any more info until it was final,remember? dont you just hate when i do that.... :secrets: :secrets: :secrets: :makeup: :makeup: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

[C.Carles-AOG]

You enjoy torturing us. lol

[Heracy]

He Loves it to death you can just tell.. :-)

[dynastySSS]

he loves it

[C.Carles-AOG]

For a minute, then when the phone calls, PM's, emails, IM's, etc. start and don't stop he starts to hate himself. lol

[Daylee-J]

Im wondering 2 things When the Mod for the IR3 is available. will it matter if i have a 45 grip frame on my IR3. Can the mod still be done?

Also....will a 45 Frame fit on a Fly 4?? I really hate the Space frame.

Thanks

[sleepy]

hey ken, if i sent you my A4, would you promise not to lose it this time? (Like the Class IR3) and whats the waiting list look like?

[dynastySSS]

you have to sign up for it then they tell you when u can send it in

[sjammer]

this week? have the parts even come in yet?

[KEN CRANE]

hey ken, if i sent you my A4, would you promise not to lose it this time? (Like the Class IR3) and whats the waiting list look like?

maybe i have mistook the comment.i didnt loose the class ir3 my partner sold it without letting me know.and thog was brokering a deal if i am correct.on my list you would be about 30

[dynastySSS]

hey ken what about me sean simpson ;)

[sjammer]

Ken, can we really find out where we are on the list or was that a joke?

[C.Carles-AOG]

Daylee-J, the mod has yet to be announced for the iR3 and LCD, though at least it has been mentioned, unlike the LED.
I cannot really answer the question of the 45 frame, but I wouldn't see why it would be an issue as long as the board fits. Perhaps it may be an issue with trigger setup, etc. To my understanding the trigger frame is indeed modified but the body is what takes the brunt of the modifications.

[Daylee-J]

Thanks for your help C.Carles

[C.Carles-AOG]

We do our best to keep the info rolling along. Thank you for your patience Daylee-J.

[russ]

Im wondering 2 things When the Mod for the IR3 is available. will it matter if i have a 45 grip frame on my IR3. Can the mod still be done?

Also....will a 45 Frame fit on a Fly 4?? I really hate the Space frame.

Thanks


45 frame or space frame will not matter, as the new board that will be installed will take up the same amount of space as the original iR3 board.
And yes the 45 frame can be adapted to any gun. We do have our own version due out soon, you may want to take a look at that

[45speed]

hey Russ, do u know if u will have them by Chicago, Ken said in Orlando the team was supposed to have them for Tampa, but they didnt have them. Was just wondering I have the Cobra 45 on my Fly now, but am getting another Fly and would like to check yours out before I order another one from Cobra.

[RgMekanic]

I noticed some posts about the episone of FB radio that Furby did from Orlando when we spoke with Ken.

I noticed that in the change we havn't gotten all the archives for FB radio transfered to the new server.

I'll get on it and I'll post a link to whoever wants it. Till then, if you want it, I have it and can send it to you on AIM.

Hope that helps anyone looking for that episode ;) :smiley:

[russ]

I don't have an ETA on the 45 frames yet.

[C.Carles-AOG]

And now that cat is out of the bag as well. lol

[C]-[iLDe]

uh oh, better delete the entire thread.

[C.Carles-AOG]

-[iLDe']uh oh, better delete the entire thread.

Have I ever done that? Have any of us?
I went through the trouble of pruning over 11 pages out of the original thread because there was no informational value in the content. Ken then mistakenly deleted the thread and restarted it with more information than the first.
Stop being so antagonistic, it's annoying.

[KEN CRANE]

Have I ever done that? Have any of us?
I went through the trouble of pruning over 11 pages out of the original thread because there was no informational value in the content. Ken then mistakenly deleted the thread and restarted it with more information than the first.
Stop being so antagonistic, it's annoying.

i second that.....

[Emmit]

Have I ever done that? Have any of us?
I went through the trouble of pruning over 11 pages out of the original thread because there was no informational value in the content. Ken then mistakenly deleted the thread and restarted it with more information than the first.
Stop being so antagonistic, it's annoying.
shhhhh don't oppress him, he'll get upset again

[Furby]

Jeez...whining about the mods/admins...

For the record, the mods here are amongst the most mellow I've ever seen, especially considering the traffic that AoG gets. Count your blessings, people!

[bower23]

topic? any news?

[sjammer]

can you give any idea of a date you might start? are we still waiting for the parts?

[thog94]

Next time the MT's come out with something like this I hope they don't say a word until it's ready to be done. The have been gracious enough to let us know what's going on as per their information and a majority of the members feel the need to act like 5 year old children and whine about stuff when their questions and demands aren't answered right away.

Do you want then to rush and put out a product that doesn't work, or would you rather they take their time to get things done right?

Everyone here is in the same boat. We are all waiting for the same things. It's life deal with it.

[bower23]

I think he was asking a 'question' on a form made for 'questions'. Sounds like you are the one whining.

[bower23]

sorry.... I just love picking on you. :)

[45speed]

Sorry, I didnt say what team.

[45speed]

U can delete it if u want i got my answer.

[scooter]

Hey let's be realistic. It's not like we are talking about waiting a couple weeks, this was announced A LONG TIME AGO. I think people have the right to be anxious. And don't feel to bad for the MT's, if they had no pent up demand and they were ordering 500 of everything, THEN they should be stressed. The fact everyone is climbing off the walls even if they are a little wrangy...that's damn good business.

[QUOTE=thog94]

Do you want then to rush and put out a product that doesn't work, or would you rather they take their time to get things done right?
QUOTE]

[Heracy]

hey guys do you think its worth it upgrading to an a4 from a speed if i am going to get the retro upgrade done to it anyway? is there a difference in rof? efficincy? etc ??

[NyCzToM22]

how many more daysss!!!! im feening for this conversionn

[NickDeveau]

I realize that there are no actually details about IR3's as of yet.. But i was wondering if you speculate that the same eye covers will be used. If so are they available/will be available seperately? I really just want those sexy eye covers.. :)

[firemedic30]

Guys......CHILL OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cryer:

They will be ready, WHEN they are ready!!!! Period!!!!!!

God, what do you guys do come August of the year, demand that Christmas be moved up!!!!!

Don't worry, they are comming!!!! :elephant:

[Emmit]

you mean Christmas isn't in July???:confused:

[firemedic30]

LOL!

If I get my Force and the retro soon......it can be in June!!!!

[NickDeveau]

I was just asking about the covers actually... Like could i buy two or three of the existing covers..? thats all

[IwanaANGEL]

http://www.fixmyangel.com/modules.php?name=catalog&file=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=238 ???

[NickDeveau]

Ok but the metal part that incooperates the detent as well?

[IwanaANGEL]

I know what ur talking about but cant seem to find it on the site... just call a sponsor and ask

[Maxpayne2k4]

Every 1 needs to Chill out the retro kits. The MT's will probably be starting very soon if not this week then prolly on Monday. from what I hear Ken has alot of markers to do. close to 100. If hes not answering you im sure hes way busy doin these markers on his own time. time he should be sleeping.

[Maxpayne2k4]

We should also be happy were getting these kits with better boards, better eyes, a tune up, and some milling/ some drilling in our reg and a warrenty for $50 less the Wicked Air Sportz is doin a was/ace for. I know I am.

[mpire123]

http://www.wdp-paintball.co.uk/shop03/gap.php?$f_currency=USD&$currency=USD

4th one down is the JD one. 5th item down is the regular Fly one. Direct from WDP.

[KEN CRANE]

its coming guys,we should have the complete kits finished today.now that means that whom ever you signed up with will be notifying you.we recieved 100 of the kits to get us going.more will follow.soooo what this means is if you were in the first 25 with a force center you will be hearing from us within the next week,if you dont hear your more than 25th.we will be letting u know after that were you stand.PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DONT CALL THE FORCE CENTER.we will contact you.remember you have already signed up.we dont want to have duplicates.if you have not signed up go to the service center of your choice to sign up.

without making any unnessesery excuses production of the fly is off the wall.the fly line is running 24/7 3 shifts a day.all avail. parts are going to production.wdp sent us the holdovers until ours are shipped as planned.just a fyi

[sjammer]

thanks for the info!

[dynastySSS]

yea thanks for the update ken

[Blood_Red_A4]

Everyone...The service centers will contact you...I received an email from Eric at Allstart Paintball in Indiana to send the marker over. I sent my precious this afternoon! I am so freakin' pumped. :x: :worthy:

[dynastySSS]

i hate you!!! no congrats have fun

[sjammer]

is there any way to confirm our info was recieved when filled out and submitted the form, other than waiting for a response?

[dynastySSS]

i just wanted to ask ken or who ever.. when i send my f4 in to get flyed can i get the full force valve low rise and a mt trigger :dunno:

[IwanaANGEL]

in the form it ask if there are other things u want, just list thoes there

[dynastySSS]

oooooooooooo oops

[Worr Angel]

ditto!

Sounds like I should have used Eric. The wait is killing me because I am needing a tune up as well and don't want to have to send it in twice.

I guess the good thing is my E-Orracle is always rocking and doesn't need tune ups.

[Emmit]

if all you need is a quicky tune up, call me...I'll take care of it for you and show you how to do it at the same time.

[KEN CRANE]

ya see, eric might have recieved his kits already.they were shipped all at the same time.if i were to have you ship me guns without having all the parts it would be my luck (or yours)that ours were lost.then i would have 25 guns apart without parts to install.my customers will be notified on or by monday as to their date.

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[Furby]

Eric is a meany!

[Worr Angel]

ya see, eric might have recieved his kits already.they were shipped all at the same time.if i were to have you ship me guns without having all the parts it would be my luck (or yours)that ours were lost.then i would have 25 guns apart without parts to install.my customers will be notified on or by monday as to their date.

Sorry Ken if that sounded like a complaint, it was more of a statement that I can't wait for you to get the parts. Since I have your attention, more than anything it would just be nice to get confirmation you received my sign up and what number I am in your list and then you could send a separate email telling me when to send my gun in. This would be nice for everyone actually. Hopefully I will be in your first group.

Emmit, thanks for the offer. If I don't hear from Ken next week then I will get in touch with you.

[LuckyCharms]

where is impacts signup??? :notsure:

[Emmit]

on their site???? or call them:dunno:

[sjammer]

is there any way to confirm our info was recieved when filled out and submitted the form, other than waiting for a response?

is there anyway to find out? :stooges:

[scooter]

where is impacts signup??? :notsure:

Same issue with many of the MT's. I have called Badlands several times, including yesterday and they don't have web page, sign up sheet or crystalball/wand package you can buy to give us die hards a way to distract ourselves from the daily question of 'when' ? :)

[KEN CRANE]

ok we recieved our kits today,the lucky first will be n otified this weekend by email.we will begin as soon as the forces are shipped monday and tuesday.

[sjammer]

how can we be sure you received our info from the sign up sheet? i signed up the first or second day it was posted.

[russ]

You would have gotten a return email with more information.

[sjammer]

i did not get a return email. this sucks because i signed that list on the first or second day it was posted and it said they would contacnt me shortly or when they where ready to processing the orders. is there any other way to find out? Ken if you read this is there a way to find out?

[SlasherXII]

Russ, you da man! :buckeye: Came to your shop this morning to check out my Black Dust A4 :hi: Brah, i'm totally stoked !!! :cheers: Hope I can play with it by this weekend :blasting: :watchout:

[sorinel999]

i did not receive a confirmation email either. i signed up on performance angel first, and when i saw that they had the same form in california i signed up on fix my angel. i did not receive ANYTHING from either site. am i on any of the lists? it would suck serious balls if i am not on either list cause i would have to sign up again which means that i will get my angel worked on in the next 10 years so, seeing how they only have 100 kits and a crapload of people in line. how can i find out if i am on any of the lists? i dont really wanna call the shops cause they must be tired of the same questions over and over and over and over ...

[Worr Angel]

i did not receive a confirmation email either. i signed up on performance angel first, and when i saw that they had the same form in california i signed up on fix my angel. i did not receive ANYTHING from either site. am i on any of the lists? it would suck serious balls if i am not on either list cause i would have to sign up again which means that i will get my angel worked on in the next 10 years so, seeing how they only have 100 kits and a crapload of people in line. how can i find out if i am on any of the lists? i dont really wanna call the shops cause they must be tired of the same questions over and over and over and over ...

Same here, I signed up and never received any confirmation. I have asked for it several times by email and PM from the MT for the site, but he has never responded.

[spec_v]

calm down guys im sure when they get around to it they will contact you. Remember ken said hopefully by monday. They got alot on their plates, we waited this long whats a little bit longer?

[russ]

Russ, you da man! :buckeye: Came to your shop this morning to check out my Black Dust A4 :hi: Brah, i'm totally stoked !!! :cheers: Hope I can play with it by this weekend :blasting: :watchout:


Your gun is finished, just got to update the software, and run a few rounds through there.

here is a link to a pic of it if you want to see it:


http://www.angelservicecenter.com/angel%204.jpg

[SlasherXII]

Looking good! A++++

[sorinel999]

calm down guys im sure when they get around to it they will contact you. Remember ken said hopefully by monday. They got alot on their plates, we waited this long whats a little bit longer?

my problem is not with them not contacting me now. my problem is with them not contacting me to let me know that they received my applications and provide me with my place in line.

[Emmit]

Your gun is finished, just got to update the software, and run a few rounds through there.

here is a link to a pic of it if you want to see it:


http://www.angelservicecenter.com/angel%204.jpg
see...that's what I'm talking about!!!

[IwanaANGEL]

http://www.angelservicecenter.com/retro.htm <--more pics

the speed looks good!! i wish I had sent my speed in last week...

[Furby]

Silly question: Suppose a guy had Warped do their ACE mod on his gun, saw how clean the MT Conversion looked vs his glue glob on the side of his gun, and wanted to have the WAS infestation removed from his gun? Just a question out of my own curiousity, but would it be possible for the MT's to convert a WAS/ACE'd gun?

[Emmit]

Furby...I believe they said that they could at least take a look at it...I'm not sure all the details on the eye holes etc....

[dynastySSS]

emmit i thought force owners got the real covers not the ones in the picture on russes site

[bower23]

talked to ken and my speed is done... I should have it back by this weekend. I made a video before I sent it in and I'll do a 'before and after' video and post it. I can't wait!!!

[Daylee-J]

Thats what i can't wait to see. Before & after Video will be a great promo for the Mod!!

Great Idea!.

[Hep]

Silly question: Suppose a guy had Warped do their ACE mod on his gun, saw how clean the MT Conversion looked vs his glue glob on the side of his gun, and wanted to have the WAS infestation removed from his gun? Just a question out of my own curiousity, but would it be possible for the MT's to convert a WAS/ACE'd gun?

Thats a good quetion Furby. But if you look at the prices its all with a trade of your old A4 or Speed board and not a Was board in the pricing. MTs any more thought on this? As I don't think they want a WAS board in trade. But time will tell what the MTs do with the holes that have been made with a WAS upgrade and if they can make it work?
Food for thought,
Hep

[Emmit]

I spoke with Russ on this yesterday evening Furby...and he said that while he'd be more than willing to go for it....you might not like the price when all was said and done...economically you'd be better off just getting a Fly...but if you want to pay him he'll do it:smiley:

[Furby]

Ah...I was just asking out of my own curiousity....there are quite a few of those guns out there, and not all of their owners are happy with the results. I was just wondering what it'd cost to correct that mistake.

As for me, I'm currently saving up for an A4, and I'll go from there. Thanks for the input Emmit...you liking the speed of the new server?

*edit*

Just saw this on Russ' site:

http://www.angelservicecenter.com/cclcd03.jpg

I think I just messed my pants. :drools:

[dynastySSS]

sounds good thanks bower

[C.Carles-AOG]

Thanks Furby, that's my baby. :-D

[Furby]

:drools:

That's just amazing, C. Charles... I keep getting this visual of my Adrenalin like that and...well...I need 'alone time'....

[C.Carles-AOG]

Dale, from one man to another I must admit I did mess my pants when Russ showed me the pics.

[Hep]

Dale, from one man to another I must admit I did mess my pants when Russ showed me the pics.

So thats why you havent been answering your phone :clap: :piss2:

[C.Carles-AOG]

Aye, my cell phone was in 'em...

[C]-[iLDe]

Did i miss something? I see they theyre able to do LCDs now. Has an iR3 been retro'd yet?

[C.Carles-AOG]

Yes and no Childe.
My LCD is more of a one-off exercise for Russ than anything else. It needed an IR3 frame which is costly and I don't know about the cost because the board trade-in has to do with it as well, I'm awaiting the tab...
I don't know if the stock 45 frame will allow the Fly board to work/fit correctly. Come to think of it I haven't even asked about the charging of the gun since the LCD is a 6V.

[Furby]

So, would your gun be considered a "Proof of Concept" excercise, or perhaps a "Pre-Production Prototype", or would it merely be Russ excercising his considerable expertise? I would imagine adapting the Fly board to run off of the LCD's 6V battery would be easier and cheaper than replacing the LCD's 6V 'noid with with a 3V 'noid. A voltage regulator here, a resistor there...

I'm just itching to do a story about this gun and it's potential future impact...throw me a bone here!

[Emmit]

Furby...you can always contact me;)

I'm still waiting on them stickers btw;)

[Furby]

They should have arrived already....I'll look into this.

As for the rest, I'll drop you a line.

[C.Carles-AOG]

Not sure Furby, I'll try to get more details from Russ and possibly answer your questions.

[KEN CRANE]

So, would your gun be considered a "Proof of Concept" excercise, or perhaps a "Pre-Production Prototype", or would it merely be Russ excercising his considerable expertise? I would imagine adapting the Fly board to run off of the LCD's 6V battery would be easier and cheaper than replacing the LCD's 6V 'noid with with a 3V 'noid. A voltage regulator here, a resistor there...

I'm just itching to do a story about this gun and it's potential future impact...throw me a bone here!

we have (special)fly boards that are 6 volt converted or adapted......damm we are good huh? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Furby]

http://www.68caliber.com/news/industry/story04146.php

But I love writing stories about Angels....

[C]-[iLDe]

I was just about to ask the question i saw in Furby's new article: Are there dual detents on that Retro'd LCD?

[C.Carles-AOG]

No dual detents.
Dale, you haven't attempted to contact me, why did you state that in your article? I have no PM, no email, etc.

[Furby]

Weird...I've been trying to...my email must be flaking

[C.Carles-AOG]

I PMd you.
LOL From now on and hence on forth Emmit shall be known as "the source".

[NickDeveau]

that is a beautiful name :bday: The Source is born

[Emmit]

who says I'm the source????:rofl:

[dynastySSS]

emmit when you send the gun in to get retroed do you get the actuall eye covers or like the ones on ur gun jw??

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

from wat i can tell, the eye covers are cut so its just an even strip instead of the little flap that angels off to the side

[Raith95]

C.Carles - Got to see the gat in action today and all I can say is wow! Russ is the man. End of story.

[Emmit]

emmit when you send the gun in to get retroed do you get the actuall eye covers or like the ones on ur gun jw??
not sure what the real question is here...the covers on all those markers on Russ's page are the same as on mine:dunno:

[dynastySSS]

i know.. do we get the ones like on russ's page or do we get the ones on the real fly ??

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

the ones on the conversion and the ones on the real fly are the same, the ones on the conversion are just cut

[Emmit]

if you're talking about the ribbon covers they are different. The Conversion kit looks like mine (and the ones on Russ's site) because they were ordered like that (looks slimmer etc) the actual eye cover plates themselves are also the same as on mine.

[dynastySSS]

ok thanks

[C.Carles-AOG]

C.Carles - Got to see the gat in action today and all I can say is wow! Russ is the man. End of story.

He told me it was insane. I miss it so much, can't wait to play again!

[SlasherXII]

Oh Carlos, you gun is so sweet... I picked up my A4 yesterday and next to your LCD, mine looks so bland... Lol, and Russ showed me the damage your LCD did! Good greef!
Also looking at it, how'd you get the ribbon to stay in place without using the metal cover Russ? That is tight!
The covers are made so they fit exactly where they milled the eyes. You probably might have to annodize them to match your gun.
Will be posting images of my Fly & my A4 flied together. Probably post them some time today.

[C.Carles-AOG]

Cool man, thanks for the update. I'll see what I can do about making it all pretty again, but I'm not that concerned really. ;)

[^$P33D^]

ok i just got my new speed...all i need to do is sign up and send it in to you guys along with the money and get back a new speed/fly conversion? sry if this is a dumb question but im new to the angel family and it just sounds like such a good deal

[C.Carles-AOG]

It's a great deal indeed. Sign up and go from there. Read through the thread, you'll be rewarded with nuggets of info.

[ckyxx87xx]

hey, how much would it be to get an LCD retro'd?

[thog94]

No price has been set for the LCD yet.

[ckyxx87xx]

so you are saying they are not out yet??