Halo b crushing sensi?

[nfg2k]

well i did some searches and couldn't find alot.

I heard some rumor's about how halo b's destroy sensi's, and go threw them relatively fast, i just got my halo but i wont have time to try it for a while...... Is this true? If so is there anything to prevent it from breaking the sensi, i know turning it off, but i would MUCH rather have sensi on.

Thanks in advance

[Vantage_TeS]

Um, what did you search for exactly? Its ALL over the forums.

http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=21369&highlight=sensi+halo

Halos force feed balls so hard that they can doublefeed balls past the detent (solved by using stronger aftermarket detents), crack/break sensi rods and pads.

Alot of people have found that using the 9v converstion kit helps (less juice to the motor, less force) and sanding down your sensi rod so its a tad shorter helps.

Some people never have problems, some people never get it working. It seems to be 50/50.

[Jouster]

Halos force feed balls so hard that they can doublefeed balls past the detent (solved by using stronger aftermarket detents), crack/break sensi rods and pads.

Did you read the thread to which you linked?


At the recent tech class Frazer & JR went over the Halo issue, as many of us there asked about it. They passed out a few SENSI pads to us, a 2mm wrench and said...

"try to break it."

It took 4 different people forcing on the strip pretty hard until finally it gave way. I find it hard to believe that a HALO ball stack puts that sort of force over that prolonged period of time on the rod. Breaking paint is most likely due to the HALO, the belt keeps feeding even if the balls are in place. This is due to the eyes not picking up the ball and thus it's constantly torquing the stack. Bam... broken ball (usually 2, even as many as 3).
Jouster

[dynastySSS]

yes it kills you sensi i love my halo but it and sensi dont always see eye to eye

[P8ntSlinger44]

Well actually guys (and gals), a Halo can do nothing to sensi what so ever. It will not break the sensor, it will not wear the sensor out, anyone who says otherwise is just spreading that bad rumor around.
I was on the phone with Ken himself, and I heard it directly from him that a Halo can do nothing to harm the sensi. Although, if you do you bad quality paint, the Halo can break the paint before it even gets into the breech of the gun. It may double feed, and that is unlikely but does happen sometimes.
So, if you have gotten paint froma broken ball in the breech, it is not due to your sensi being broken, or pushed on to hard by the Halo, it is simply because the Halo has so mch torque that it breaks the paint. I myself use a Halo on my speed and have no problems with it at all, other then the fact that I can still outshoot the Halo, but thats a different problem, and Ive got a V35 board on the way to fix that.

[P8ntSlinger44]

O yea, if you didnt figure ti out from my previous post...just make sure you use GOOD PAINT with your HALO. This goes for any type of gun, not just the speed/A4.

[Frank_McCrank]

off topic but how does p8nt become paint? p'eight'nt... i know that there is a site that has it too. p8ntballer.com or something...

[P8ntSlinger44]

Ha, well...its something I learned in English this year. The written english language is different then the spoken english language. And in this instance, it is not a word when written on paper, but p8nt when said aloud, sounds like the actual word paint.

Again, halos will NOT break the sensi.

[52brandon]

off topic but how does p8nt become paint? p'eight'nt... i know that there is a site that has it too. p8ntballer.com or something...
I thought the same thing. There is even a magazine spelled like that. Glad I'm not the only person that was a little thrown off by that

[Frank_McCrank]

P8nt is just wanna be sk8 :P weight you can write w8 and really get away with it.
sorry for the off topic.

[foxacho]

get with the times! frigging old people..... :ph34r:

Dont be Noobz be L337

[Frank_McCrank]

its 1337 and n00b... and im not old!

[foxacho]

i purposely spelled it wrong so that i wouldnt reveal the secret ninja ghetto codes....Ive said too much...must flee now

[Frank_McCrank]

lol

[hooha]

Well, something broke my Sensi.

I've never chopped a ball with Sensi on, and in that sense it's great. But after about 15 cases of paint, my MROF w/ Sensi on dropped way way down. Walking the trigger as fast as I can produced huge gaps and pauses in the string of paint. Turning Sensi off got me right back to a constant stream.

Changing the Sensi sensor fixed the problem, and now I can shoot fast again with Sensi on. I use a Halo, and am considering changing loaders unless someone has a better idea. I keep the system clean, and never use a straight-shot squeegee (which people also say can damage the Sensi). I always calibrate with 7-10 slow shots.

I can post pics of the old Sensi pad if anyone doubts. It's discolored in the middle (right where the rod contacts the pad), which the manual says is cause for replacement.

[P8ntSlinger44]

I am guessing that over time, the sensor may wear out. A $15 replacement isnt so bad. But I doubt the sensor was physicly broken, it must have been bent out of shape. And if thats teh case, its bound to happen regardless of what hopper you use.
And I would stick with the HALO for sure. I bought a EVO w/Z board installed in it about 3 weeks ago, and noticed that I would get gapps kind of often in sensi mode 2. I then tried my brothers HALO and it gapped less then half the time. So I traded him my evo for it. I like the way the EVO is easier to load, but the Halo is just flat out faster. But once I get a chance to try out my victory board that just came in today, I will let everyone know how it goes. Rip drive too.
OO and another thing, use sensi mode 2...while I was on the phone with KEN, he said that every gun they use and every gun they service, they set to sensi mode 2. He said that its what they have found to work the best on the Speed and A4.

[hooha]

I am guessing that over time, the sensor may wear out. A $15 replacement isnt so bad. But I doubt the sensor was physicly broken, it must have been bent out of shape.

Well, either way it was really messing up, and that's what counts. It just doesn't take me that long to shoot through 10-15 cases, and if I have to plan on replacing the Sensi pad that often, I'll probably just save my pennies for the EyeQ upgrade.

Too bad - I really think Sensi is a cool idea, and has mostly worked well for me so far. But if its durability is that bad, I'm switching...

[P8ntSlinger44]

Yes that is true too. If the sensor goes out again on you, then deffinitely look into the EYEQ. If all of a sudden my sensi starts to go crappy, it would deffinitely piss me off a lot.

[Yetti]

I've been reading about the Sensi pads, and it seems that they're peizoelectric pads? If so, why dosen't somebody fix this "breakage" issue once and for all and try putting in a microswitch like you use in the triggers? The only advantage I see in the piezo is it's infinitely varible until it's source voltage reaches peak. That means that the logic in the led/lcd board may be able to predict, with the Sensi pad, when the next ball is coming, instead of a binary 0-1 command of a microswitch, causing latency in the firing sequence. I'm not a MT, I'm just speaking out of electronic experience.

[P8ntSlinger44]

Someone could easily remake the sensi pad. Just have the connection to the board as sensi...I think

[Emmit]

I found (through my own experience) that the pads seem to have a life of about 40k shots. At that point replacing it is recommended (or at least having a spare in the kit for when it goes bad is recommended). I found that the sensor I had to replace in my 4 at HB looked perfectly okay, however it was not detecting a ball, and required a considerable amount of force to pass the test.

[Jouster]

I've been reading about the Sensi pads, and it seems that they're peizoelectric pads? If so, why dosen't somebody fix this "breakage" issue once and for all and try putting in a microswitch like you use in the triggers? The only advantage I see in the piezo is it's infinitely varible until it's source voltage reaches peak. That means that the logic in the led/lcd board may be able to predict, with the Sensi pad, when the next ball is coming, instead of a binary 0-1 command of a microswitch, causing latency in the firing sequence. I'm not a MT, I'm just speaking out of electronic experience.
The Sensi software relies on the analog response of the piezoelectric pad, so a dual-position microswitch wouldn't work. Also, keep in mind that microswitches wear out, too; just ask any owner of an Intimidator (not that people hold on to Timmys for more than 50k shots before another one comes out that makes all the old ones obsolete and makes all the players spend another $1,000+ for their new gun and... okay, stopping now).

The thing that people forget about Sensi is that it's not just a BDS like an eye; it's also a LDS. It's not just detecting whether there's a ball in the chamber, it's also figuring out how many balls are waiting on the stack above it. If you don't think that functionality is important, just use Sensi 4 instead of Sensi 2 for a game, and see how much slower you shoot.

Jouster

[Yetti]

Jouster

I'm not implying that the microswitch would last longer, but it's more solid state than the analog Sensi Pad. Also, because the Sensi software does need to read the fluctuation in voltage caused by the peizo, the microswitch would give erranous readings. I'm thinking of an idea with a potentiometer in place of a peizo, but that would be too complex to possibly fit in a gun, and when a pot goes bad, the voltage dosen't drop slowly like a peizo, it jumps and decays erradicly and unpredictably. That being said, there's nothing we can really do except pay $15 when it goes out.

Good clarification on the LDS and BDS by the way.
Also, I don't like timmies :)