New Anti-Chop bolt

[cveale]

Jam Enterprises has released a new bolt that is supposed to nearly eliminate all chopping in Angels.

http://www.apbbolts.com/other_bolts.htm

[silentchaos]

well, i played in the rain and mud and moisture yesterday, from 12 to 5, wit my a4 fly wit halo and a pure energy 68/30 and had 0 chops, and nearly no drop off all day and was chronoing the fps to only change 1-3 and it was the first time the thing has been shot , so i dont think that bolt would be needed unless its older angels.

[mamba_juice]

true...the only time an angel really seems to chop is when it's not set up right

the bolt itself looks like the inlet hole is WAYYYYYYYYYYY too big for the valve port, most likely decreasing velocity. they could have put another hole where the cops/sensi slot is. and they also could have utilized a soft face to prevent rollback....but hey, nobody's perfect

[silentchaos]

yup.

[ReTro Boy]

true...the only time an angel really seems to chop is when it's not set up right

the bolt itself looks like the inlet hole is WAYYYYYYYYYYY too big for the valve port, most likely decreasing velocity. they could have put another hole where the cops/sensi slot is. and they also could have utilized a soft face to prevent rollback....but hey, nobody's perfect
There's no soft face to prevent rollback, but from what I understand, it is designed to eliminate rollback...sort of like the longnose bolt AGD put out a few years back. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure JAM said that this bolt would prevent rollback like the A4 bolt.

[mamba_juice]

i said they COULD HAVE utilized the soft face...if they did the three point design they could have maintained the anti-rollback issue, allowed for more air to pass through, and still keep stability for the spring....plus, it looks cooler

[cveale]

It has a flat face which will definitely eliminate some of the rollback like the soft face bolt does. Also, they are claiming that the efficiency is on par or better than the current Angel bolts. We'll see. My Angel doesn't chop either, but an extra level of protection is always nice.

[Demonic Intentions]

TLC+Good Paint+Soft Face Bolt+Halo+10,000 shot tuning+Properly setup marker= Dominatus Maximus...or Kickassimus Maximus.

[PakmanRevd]

i saw something inside the bolt that looked like a spring am i wrong and my point being maybe that is how they deal with ball chopping maybe it prevents the bolt from smashing the paintball but still lets the air through....... just an observation :o

[cveale]

i saw something inside the bolt that looked like a spring am i wrong and my point being maybe that is how they deal with ball chopping maybe it prevents the bolt from smashing the paintball but still lets the air through....... just an observation :o

That's how they do it.

[Detect]

well, i played in the rain and mud and moisture yesterday, from 12 to 5, wit my a4 fly wit halo and a pure energy 68/30 and had 0 chops, and nearly no drop off all day and was chronoing the fps to only change 1-3 and it was the first time the thing has been shot , so i dont think that bolt would be needed unless its older angels.

you have eyes buddy.....you're right you don't need them, but angels w/o eyes could use something like this

[silentchaos]

as in older im meant ne thing that didnt come wit eyes or couldnt be upgraded, but this does sound like a awsum product.

[bower23]

ok... i'm looking at this thing and have no idea how it would prevent chopping... someone fill me in?

[silentchaos]

from wat was said and wat im looking at it has a spring in the middle that holds the face of the bolt out and lets the face push back slightly so there would be less pressure on the ball at impact.

[mamba_juice]

the way it works is the bolt face and the pin are two differently moving objects. if a ball fails to load all the way the bolt will come forward, but the face will stop and the pin will keep on moving in the cycle. when the pin returns, the spring will keep the distance nice and even. it is a pretty simple concept that works good.

[silentchaos]

oh, well, i was off.

[cveale]

No one wants an extra layer of chop protection ?

I never chop as well with my SENSI, but I would not mind having a back up system. Just a comfort layer and knowing that no matter what happened, I would not chop.

Actually, it would be a third layer of chop protection for me. I actually discovered that my LPR is so low that even if I hit a ball, it just bounces off and creates a popping sound. I discovered this by accidently leaving SENSI off and ripping on my A4 with it set to 25 and hearing these occasional pops. I verified this by accually half feeding a ball in the gun by tilting it sideways and letting the ball just barely enter the breach. Sure enough, it bounced.

So with SENSI, LPR, and JAM bolt... I won't chop ever, ever, ever, ever,ever,ever.. etc.

[silentchaos]

i do want the "extra layer of chop protection" ill buy this bolt as soon as i get sum money and ive talked to sum1 wit it, and thats awsum ur lpr being so low u cant chop, wats ur lpr at ?

[cveale]

45 psi.. measured with my current input pressure of ~190.

[DARKSTAR21]

So is this designed to work in the IR's as well and if so has anybody field tested it in one?

[DynastyDYEir3]

im gana laugh when it slows it down

[mamba_juice]

if the speed at which the spring returns after a ball pinch is less than the time the bolt returns forward, then it will not slow it down

[smasher41]

i ordered one, tried all of his bolts, and let others nearby use them as well, they all swear by them as well as myself. couldnt be happier that after bugging JAM enterprises since september he decided to do it :)

[RonnyMcDYO]

I have heard there to be a problem with this deisgn, being that the angel fires at such high speeds that the spring would cause the bolt to slow down. Granted I dont have the proff, but just be carefull of it.

[MoogLe]

well one obvious little problem i can see is that the exhause hole is too big and will leak some air through the cracks of the breach when you shoot, so you might lose some efficiency

and it's a little hard for me to imagine the spring being soft enough to not break a ball, and at the same time be tough enough to keep up with the hammer, specially at the high rofs that the new guns are capable of


just what i can make out from those 2 pictures anyway, guess i cant really judge it untill i test it for myself

[NEtrauma_Travis]

I had a jam bolt for my autococker and i didn't think it worked great, all the air still smack the front of the ball + that spring isn't light enough to pinch a ball. I found that my super fly with my lpr set right made that the better bolt but i dont have anything good to say about this one.

[silentchaos]

well, i would wright a review on it when i get one, but unless it chops more than my current stock bolt then there wont be nothing to right about since it doesnt chop at all : /

[Syentific]

I had the G1 Slingshot bolt in my cocker, not JAM, but based on the same concept.

In my opinion I could see the hp guys (LCD,IR3) getting some use out of this product just because they are flowing at a higher PSI and I dont think they will notice a considerable difference in performance or consumption.

However, I do think that the LP guys or at least those that choose to run there guns at bottom line pressures may find at a minimum a consumption change if not an all out performance problem.

My issue with the spring bolts in the past was that of timing. In my cocker when I swapped out the bolt I immediately witnessed a change in performance and my cocker needed precise tuning in order to function properly. However, at that time I was using a slide trigger and was not requesting a demand for my marker to cycle as I am with my Fly.

With that having been said, I dont think it would hurt for anyone to try this bolt out. On the other hand I would not run out and purchase based on the idea that it is going to "stop" chopping.