Do the Fly's come with Volumizers?

[outcast]

Hi guys.
Do the Fly's come with the 3sum Volumizer pack like the A4's? And is the body shorter than the 4's or same length?

Thanks!

[enya60h]

No They Only Come with One & is A Little Larger Than The Med One In Kit like The A-4

[Emmit]

I'm pretty sure they are supposed to come with all 3 sizes, if I remember correctly I saw a couple of different ones on some of the Arsenal guns.

[Wing Nut]

Mine only came with one.........

[tgaffner]

It comes with 1. It is like in between the largest and the medium volumizers that come with the A4.

[Jukie]

I wish they would give you a set...one for each side. Ine super milled in the inside that only weighs a fraction of the actual one. That way you can have one on both sides....I just think it looks better with two. If you got a set it would be cool because they would match. I have seen a/m ones for the A4 but they all seem to be in matte finish.

I know that it has nothing to do with the performance and is purely cosmetic....but why not...how much can that little thing really cost them to make?

Jukie

[outcast]

Thanks guys!
Well atleast they come with one. :D Do they come with the volumizer on, or is the little end cap still provided too? Anyone know where I can find Arsenal pictures? I've been trying to find pics of their guns and stuff, but their site is'nt up yet. I seen some on pbstar.com, but that's when they still had the A4's.

Thanks!

[Wing Nut]

The FLY comes just like the A4, in the box with both end caps on. You have to attach the volumiser yourself. In fact, the box is the same as the A$ with a piece of card attached saying about the FLY. Even has the two spare holes for the other sizes of volumiser available for the 4.

Check out www.wdp.tv in the News section for some cool pictures of the new fly. They have a really nice on in there of a dust black FLY with red attachments (volumiser, eye covers, mini reg, etc). Looks really nice. Might have to find someone in the UK who has a red one to trade the bits.

[PolecatR1]

Here's what he mean - very cool. Not as cool as my Joy FLY though Wing Nut?! :tongue2:

[Emmit]

as you can see that was an Arsenal marker. The guys all traded out bits and parts to give their Fly's a different look to them.

[PolecatR1]

as you can see that was an Arsenal marker. The guys all traded out bits and parts to give their Fly's a different look to them.

Off topic I know but I see the markers are not using the Angel AIR instead it looks like they are using the fixed output AIR. In fact I have yet to see a picture of a sponsored FLY with Angel AIR on. Is there any reason for this? Is the Angel AIR being phased out?

[Emmit]

no, Arsenal has a tank sponsor, and so they are using tanks from said sponsor.

[tgaffner]

There is a polished Red Angel 4 Fly on ebay right now. It only comes with 1 Volumizer.
Look at it! It shows inside the box to prove to you it only comes with 1...

[Jouster]

So if the Fly only comes wiht the one volumizer whats the operating pressure with this one volumizer? Does this mean that the A4 will be working at a lower psi or does the Fly have a different LPR that allows it to run at a lower PSI with this one volumizer then the A4 with the largest volumizer? What would happen if I used the largest volumizer off the A4? Is there such thing as a PSI thats too low other then not enough PSI to get the ball moving?
*blink*

LPR pressure and main pressure are two different things. Read my "How Your Angel Works" paper at AngelFAQ.com (http://www.AngelFAQ.com) and ask again; I'm having a hard time following this. :( Sorry!

Jouster

[outcast]

One more thing guys. Does it come with another Macroline fitting to put on your ASA?

[PolecatR1]

It comes with a length of macro line and a 90 degree elbow.

[outcast]

Cool thanks!
So the one straight one on the mini reg, and an extra 90? Sounds good. Do you happen to know if it's possible to get spare o-rings for macro line fittings from anywhere?

[PolecatR1]

Not sure if it's possible to replace the o rings. I'm sure someone's done it. But I would just buy a new fitting if it was required.

[Emmit]

the size is apparently almost the same, so the difference should be minimal

[PolecatR1]

The A4 manual states 175psi for it's largest volumiser, the FLY manual states 150psi for it's volumiser. Seems like a big difference to me but that's what it says.

[Emmit]

I think that would likely have more to do with the extra internal milling that they say they did than the volumizer:dunno:

[PolecatR1]

I think that would likely have more to do with the extra internal milling that they say they did than the volumizer:dunno:

Extra milling? Between the exhaust valve and the breech? Wow, that must be some fancy milling. :again:

[Jouster]

Ok,... well from what I read the Fly's Volumizer is a bit smaller than the A4's so how is it that the Fly has a lower PSI? Is the diameter of the Fly's volumizer larger? If thats not the case,... if I was to use the largest volumizer from an A4 it would drop the operating pressure even lower? Now how do you get the LPR pressure down?

*snip*

Not between the exhaust valve and the breech,... the main chamber,... I am guessing they milled it out a bit more then the A4's so that we could sqeeze more air in there. Thats probably how they got the Fly's operating pressure lower then the A4's without using a longer volumizer. That means if you use the longest volumizer from the A4 it would drop the operating pressure down even lower then it is now. But how low is to low ?

14.5 psi would be kind of pointless, as would anything lower. (:wink: to all the physics geeks out there.)

They were able to lower the LPR pressure because it no longer needs to detour around the Sensi rod by means of the diverter plate. They also claim its lowered pressure is compensated for by some sort of milling.

Jouster

[Emmit]

according to the info I've read on it, they did mill the internals a little bigger so that they could get the lower pressures, the other part of it was no more diverter plate as stated above.

[outcast]

Hi guys.
With this lower opperating pressure, will a Preset 450psi tank still work good?

[PolecatR1]

according to the info I've read on it, they did mill the internals a little bigger so that they could get the lower pressures, the other part of it was no more diverter plate as stated above.

Removing the diverter plate apparently allows the LPR pressure to be lowered but I can't see how it can possibly lower the operating pressure.

The only way I can see this being possible is if the volumiser is bigger and/or the passage from the chamber though the exhaust valve has been optimised.

I will measure the volume of air in each of the volumisers to see what the difference is.

[Jouster]

I will measure the volume of air in each of the volumisers to see what the difference is.
Just fill 'em with water that has a little soap added (to combat surface tension), and dump into a test tube. Compare heights in test tube. Done. (For the love of God, don't do this unless you intend to both rinse and dry it afterwards, several times. I am not responsible for your stupidity.)

But I figured the increased volume came from more milling inside the main pressure tube, not its volumizer. And I can't come up with an easy way to measure the volume of that that wouldn't ruin the gun.

Jouster

[Clowndog]

regardless of how much volume the marker or the "volumizer" takes to fill it to a certain operating pressure, it seems to me that when you buy a marker that is supposed to be "over and above" the "stock" marker, said marker should come with ALL the stock parts. Including all three "volumizers", manuals, joyjuice, sweet girlie Thong, whatever else happens to come with the stock marker. I hate seeing aftermarket shops "make" a marker then resell all the stock parts "cause you wont be needing them" they be making money with things I paid for!

[mamba_juice]

ok...what are you trying to say??? that warped or cobra should include all stock parts with thier gun??? guess what, they do!

[Clowndog]

Hey now, dont sound so testy. i aint trying to make anyone mad. If they do include the stock internals then good. It means you have stock parts to perform repairs, try to "trick" it out to your own specs, what have you. My opinion is that if you buy a marker, send it in, buy a "Custom", the stock parts should be included. I dont make a huge fuss if they dont, untill I need them. :)

[mamba_juice]

i still dont understand what you are saying...do you mean buy the gun first, then send it in?