Fly with Halo?

[aerotcus]

For you guys that have or have seen the flys in action.. Do they work well with halo's? I was just wondering if WDP has fixed their breach design with this next installation of paintball marker greatness. HALO's belong on angels...

Anyone at HB see people using halo's with their flys?

[Emmit]

some teams were shooting their Fly's with Halo's and some were using the Empire Reloader thingy...the one I shot had an Empire on it. It shot real nice.

[kevine]

Any idea whether an Egg2 with z-board works well with the fly?

[Emmit]

why wouldn't it?

it's still going to feed quite fast, and the marker is still only going to fire when it receives a signal that it can.

[bumassjp]

id like to hear more on the flys with halo or atleast whether or not you think a halo would work on a 4 with retrokit... when i get the retrokit im going to want to shoot either the new empire reloader thing or a halo....

[aerotcus]

How did empire get away with totally copying the halo's shell design?

[Emmit]

same way they did the original reloader...

I don't think the shells are patented, only the technology inside it.

[Sparco]

Did Empire/NPS buy the rights to the Odyssey Halo design after the BE lawsuit on the company? Gino agreed to foot the bill if he could market/resale the design?

[spec_v]

id say most likely

[Emmit]

Gino paid the settlement fees for Odyssey if that's what you're wondering

[45speed]

works fine so far, i am setting mine up right now. Just ran 2 bags of paint thru it so far, with the halo.

[Jukie]

I looked all over because I swear I read something about the new detents on the fly working with Halo. Maybe it was in PB nation?? I am not sure how credible the info is but the halo was originally designed for the angel if I am not mistaken. It only makes sense that WDP beefs up the detents on the fly.

I love my HALO and want to be able to shoot it with my new MT Fly. I would settle with Eggo but I prefer my Halo.

Jukie

[Eltwitcho]

The new Empire reloader is a halo, not just similar, it is one. The only exception being the sound acivation feature. The same goes for the original reloader being a revvy with sound activation. Hell Empire/NPS didn't even invent the sound activation feature. I met a guy in Minneapolis a few years ago (maybe 3 or 4) who was building boards for revvys that were sound activated. Empire doesn't invent anything or spend any r and d money on their products, they just thief other peoples designs and call them their own.

[dynastySSS]

alot of people were useing halo like jd and evil im not sure if arsenal did but i think that the eyes and they say new reenforced ball dtents might be the reason for so many people useing them and looks like haveing good results.

[jptricks]

I saw so many players halos go down at HB on Saturday,but hey maybe it was paint.

[Wing Nut]

I got my FLY last thursday and ran a case of Draxxus Blaze through it the next day.

Out of the 2000 shots I fired, the FLY chipped 1 and I had two barrel breaks.

Not bad in my eyes considering I was really giving it some stick.

I don't think that any ACE system can totally eliminate the odd chop here and there. Maybe I was just unlucky.

[Benfrain]

Wing Nut, it won't be the Angel, it will be the Halo damaging the balls before they even get fired - that's the rub of true force fed loaders for you I'm afraid...

[outcast]

A little off topic, but how do you know if you have a Halo with Zcode, if you're buying used?

[Wing Nut]

Unless you have it in your hand, you can't.

Way to tell if you have a z code is to turn on the Halo, then stop the wheel thingy with you finger. If it pulses against your force then it's a z code. If not, it will just keep trying to turn against you.

Check out Oddesseys website www.haloloader.com for more info.

[Shaggy]

Guys - My bad on starting the other Fly/Halo thread... I scrolled through both pages of topics before posting and flat out missed it.

Shaggy

[pbmatt74]

It happens to the best of us.

[45speed]

Took it into the store today, so the guys and customers could check it out. They shot it all day with halo on, and no problems.

[PushClose]

I just got my Dust Black Fly today w/ HALO. Just shot a bag and I had no problems.

[tok3n]

Would the Halo work better with the fly simple because it doesn't have the sensi rod? Not just because the force feeding can sometimes break the rod but does the rod act like a small point or nubbin that the force fed balls can break on?

[PushClose]

HALOS havent worked with previous Angels because of the Sensi. The HALO will often break the rod by applying too much pressure. There isn't a sensi on the fly, theres a break beam sensor, an eye.

[tok3n]

HALOS havent worked with previous Angels because of the Sensi. The HALO will often break the rod by applying too much pressure. There isn't a sensi on the fly, theres a break beam sensor, an eye.

Right, I understand that. But what is it about the sensi that makes it so incompatable with a Halo? Breaking the rod is one thing but most people have had problems with the Halo loader causing breaks. Wouldn't the same thing happen on an Angel with eyes? Unless the sensi rod itself, due to the little "switch" that the ball lands on, makes it easier for the force fed balls to break on.

[Benfrain]

I prefer to use a Halo because it is the fastest loader available, no contest.

HOWEVER...

The rub with the Halo is becuase it is a true force fed loader there is always a build up of pressure on the stack of balls waiting to be fired. Depending upon the paint (and perhaps to a greater degree, the climatic conditions) the pressure of the stack can cause some of the balls to fracture/burst in the stack before they even get to the Angel breech. Then the Angel bolt is effectively firing the left over slop of a ball and the user presuming the Angel has chopped it when it isn't necassarily the case.

It is also possible that the pressure in the stack weakens the balls along the seam to such a degree that when the bolt/air hits it, it effectively blows apart.

These are Halo issues, ones that you have to live with if you want to use the fastest loader available. With great weather and paint these issues can be non-existant but at their worst they can easily take you out of a game.

Angel + Halo is a different equation.

Back in the days of the IR3 with only a single detent it was possible that the force of the ball stack of the Halo could push past the detents and double feed, the result was chops galore. :(

With a Speed and A4 (using Sensi) the problems are not the same. Generally there are very few problems of the Halo pushing balls past the detents but there are still a great many complaints about balls being chopped when using a Halo.

Some of these can easily be attributed to the paint/weather + Halo issues noted above however there remains another issue.

According to WDP techs it is simply not possible for the force of a Halo to damage a sensi strip. I have no reason to doubt them, they are far more intelligent than me in these matters but I cannot deny a substantial amount of evidence to the contrary. The fact is that a great many Halo users experience broken sensi sensors within weeks of use. They are not broken in the sense that they are visibly split, but sensi stops working effectively, not reading ball drops (causing pauses in modes 1 + 3). With a replaced sensi the markers go back to ripping for another few weeks before the problem presents itself once more. I have experienced the problem first hand and in the end just swapped to an Evo II with Z board and experienced ZERO probkems with sensi from that point on, many cases of paint later and my 4 was still a machine gun with no chops pauses or skips.

For a stress free life with the 4/Speed most people opted for an Evo II, that's not to say there weren't plenty of people using a Halo with their 4/Speed but it always seemed to be a little hit and miss.

Onto theory... Fly + Halo.

Not had chance to look at a Fly yet but will do shortly. Theoretically the Fly should be the most Halo friendly Angel yet. Flexi detents and an Eye system means that instead of a pressure rod beneath the ball stack detecting pressure changes the eyes just see them entering the breech from the side, besides the bi-product of accumilating paint debris in the breech area (if you don't clean the eyes regulaly) there is no worry of the Halo damaging the paint detection system.

With that in mind it would make a good argument that an Angel Fly should work as well with a Halo (if not better thanks to the new detents) than any other open bolt marker on the market. Only time will tell :)

[cveale]

Good post Benfrain, but don't always assume that just because a manufacturer tells you something about their product that they have to be right about it. I still don't think they have looked at every possibility with the SENSI/HALO damage issue. Too much evidence to the contrary, and I count myself among the evidence. I'm no genius, but I'm not a dummy either and I know what to do and not to do with the SENSI as far as caring for it goes, and I have done nothing that could cause this kind of damage except for using the Halo. I broke 5 of them! I am finially putting the Halo out to pasture though. I just can't keep buying SENSIs.

Personally, I think SENSI works, but is just too fragile and in many respects a break eye is a better system to use. I'm glad they finally caved to pressure and put one on their guns.

[pvcobrakid]

halos work great on em that wat they use to demo it at hb it worked great

[pballn4x4freak]

i have shot the fly with halo, egg w/z-board, and empire revi loaders, and i would have to say that they all work great. i could tell a difference in the speed of each one though. but hey that is what is supposed to be the diffence in those loaders. i don't own a hallo but i would have to say i would prefer that on top because of the speed, but i also like the positioning of the egg better. so that is why i shoot that. a little slower but i think worth the trade off.

[tok3n]

For those using a Halo with their Angel 4s, did you have to sand the neck of the hopper to fit it? Or does it fit fine just by using the right set of orings in the twist feed?

[PushClose]

You dn't have to sand it, just use the thinner O-Rings. Holds it in place great

[Emmit]

unless they decided to not include the 2 different sized o-rings with the Fly as they did with the 4, you should've just been able to make a swap with the o-rings until it fit.

[PolecatR1]

FLY has 2 sizes of O ring, like the A4

[crashdan]

just wanted t osay something about the halo/ vl reloader things... as long as national/empire paid what the company(oddysey,vl) wanted for the parts, they can do whatever they want to it and resell it, no patent infringement if they buy it direct from the manufacturer and modify and sell it