Latest Angel 'Fly'

[Benfrain]

One of the WDP ads in this months PGI announces that the latest 'Fly' Angel will be released 12th March 2004.

Anyone have anymore info on it, looks like there are external covers of some sort around the breech area on the pics but it's hard to tell!

[Kdog-13]

Has anybody scanned the ad or is it online yet?? I can't see anything on wdp.tv

[MoogLe]

scan the pics :)

[Benfrain]

buy the mag ;)

[winter001]

for the love of god, scan the pics!

[MoogLe]

buy the mag ;)
would if i could get it here :tongue:

[pbmatt74]

I couldn't find enough change in my couch cushions to go and buy the issue. I guess I'll have to wait until somebody scans it.:smile:

[p8ntbllr2001]

Is it a speed fly or A4 fly :again:

[padrinot]

for the love of god, scan the pics

[Benfrain]

There is no pics as such, it's a distorted image of lots of guns to resemble the eye of a Fly, but you can see tiny little bits that are different.

[winter001]

scan whatever there is to scan! for the love of all that is holy

[warpedx]

I got the PGI coming, but it will be about a month late. Damn overseas mail system.

[acsik]

Scan it or the cute fluffy rodent gets it!

[Benfrain]

stop getting your pants in a twist, there is very little to see on the ad, you can barely even make the gun out. You will see it in all it's glory on the 12/3/04 anyway, will it really make your life better if you see it before?????

[acsik]

Yes :)

Now get to scanning :D

Cya

[winter001]

seriously though, if you can scan it please do, we are sad people and its the little things, like wdp ads that get us through the day.

[mychemicalromance]

the rumor mill over at pbn has been that at HB the fly will be released and that it will have factory "eye(s)"

[jtcimp00]

oh yes if any of you are taping the nppl thing on fox sports net, there is a wdp commercial that has the fly on it!!!!!! if you arent maybe i can see what i can do to help i think my brother is tapin it

[MoogLe]

oh damn i completely forgot about nppl on tv today..

hope that guy on pbn puts it on his ftp

oh well

[LED_bushwacker]

Oh yea nppl!! I almost forgot too! I love this west coast stuff, still got a hour or so...hehe. I will def tape it and see if i can get some kinda pic up.

[Jose_Rico]

They showed it on the new commercial. It looks like a red A4 with new milling around the breech, and some dead sexy integrated eye covers. Finally, an angel with ACE!!!!!!

[bos_2005]

Here is a pic of the new angel fly not a great quality pic because it was taken from the commerical
http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421456852/5.jpg

[kevine]

Actually, it's not so much that Angel now has ACE, since ACE has been available for some time through Warped. I just shot a Speed with a WAS/ACE mod installed last weekend, and the thing ripped...really, really ripped. As fast as a timmy but with the short Angel trigger pull. VERY NICE.

The greatest thing about this new Fly 4 is the fact that it's a factory installed eye. Meaning, WDP has finally given in to customer demand. I've read many posts by others (who I will not name) who chastised Warped and other companies for installing eyes into Angels. I hope these people now realize how wrong they were.

It's not a matter of better (okay, maybe a little), but more of customer preference. If there's a demand, then there better be supply, otherwise, consumers will look somewhere else.

Jingle and Warped West L.A. saw this coming a long time ago when they started installing ACE's. Kudos to WDP for catching up...better late than never!

[cveale]

I hope WDP offers this ACE solution as a kit for existing Angel 4s. It looks like it would be very feasable. Holes would have to be drilled for the eyes as well.

[Woogie12]

Yea I'm wondering the same thing, can you get the WDP ACE installed onto a speed?

[p8ntbllr2001]

Has anyone noticed WDP has put out a lot of new stuff really close together. I mean, next to this, my speed is already out-dated. But do you think i could have the eyes with the cover installed in my speed. and will i have to get a new electronic board, and how much might it cost? and finaly witch is better, sensi or ACE?

[bos_2005]

You will prob have to get that feedneck if you want the eye covers because i belive they are attached to the feedneck some how. but i would say it will prob be around the 250-400 price range if they want to keep up with the compition.

[KEN CRANE]

we want you all to set tight we will give you all the scoop soon.dont panic .as soon as wdp tells us we can we will tell you.as always watch here at the official wdp angel website for the wdp official release of information.but PLEASE dont call and ask.

[Hep]

Ken "pullin all his hair out" Crane.

[dynastySSS]

ken or anyone dose this take away your lcd function man this is pimp cant wait for the mt to be able to do this

[dynastySSS]

o and wdp hasnt put up anything on there website about this hmmm

[IwanaANGEL]

its looks pretty cool...

but i still rather get a Froce 4 :wetspot:

[SkeL]

Who said force 4's won't have ace?

[cky17]

sick can't wait to see it

[Xquisit]

Here are some nice pics, for those who haven't already seen it...

Pic 1: http://www.mustangmods.com/data/8041/crappy.jpg

Pic 2: http://www.mustangmods.com/data/8041/eyes.jpg

[IwanaANGEL]

Who said force 4's won't have ace?
i didnt say force 4s wont have ace its just that i like F4's milling better

I wonder if these eyes will work as good as Hk and ACE mods

[Xquisit]

hopefully..and that the aces will have force modes as well which would be quite nice...

[KEN CRANE]

my ☼☼☼☼ing phone wont stop ringing!!!!!

[IwanaANGEL]

I guess thats the down side for being a master Tech... every1 thinks you knw everything

[bos_2005]

Ken does know everything just isnt allowed to say untill they officialy release all the info

[pbmatt74]

The rumors are flying over at pbnation. People said that the next batch of Force 4's will have something that will make everyone want to shoot an angel. Is there any truth to that??? The guy said he found out from a master tech.

[52brandon]

I hope to God that they make a mod for the A4 to have eyes. I like the Board just want eyes an WSLA wont do one without the other. If anyone knows... does it even use a A4 board or is it a different setup all together?

[BuNkErEd]

God This Suspense Is Killing Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IwanaANGEL]

how come it looks like the roto breech is gone???

[bos_2005]

it looks like the feedneck is part of the breach according to that second pic. Almost how a tippmans is

[padrinot]

here is the real ? can i get those eyes on my speed !

[bos_2005]

It almost looks like the feedneck is part of the breach if i aint mistaken.

[Emmit]

if you look the feed neck is in the same spot it's always been...those pics don't show the lines for where the breech is cut very well...the commercial showed it quite nicely....nothing on the body design has changed for this.

look in this picture http://www.mustangmods.com/data/8041/eyes.jpg

just the left (towards the back of the marker) you can see the breech lines

[mychemicalromance]

man i need wdp to release an eye system and a 45 frame!!!! thats the only way i will buy an angel again

[sharps990]

if WDP does send out upgrades for existing 4's would the speed owners have to buy the 4 board to be able to use the eye

i would love to keep my speed board and still have these eyes but if not i think i have my one and only x-mas present

are they beam-break or reflective

im glad sumbody finialy came out w/ a quality eye for speed/4 that dosent have epoxy all over it

i like how clean it looks, its so smoth

im rambling again

sharps

[Emmit]

all information will be released as soon as WDP is ready...right now they're just stirring the pot guys...we'll all know as soon as the Master Tech's are given the green light. Please leave them alone. Their phones have been ringing off the hook ....everyone sit back and relax and let it happen when WDP's ready.

[dynastySSS]

poor ken and all the other mt... well maybe this will give those things called timmys a real run for there money

[boathouse]

Are those the JMJ eye covers used on Vikings?

[Sparco]

I just hope that the ability to upgrade for existing owners (A4) is inexpensive. I know the MT warranty includes free software upgrades but this appears to be hardware related as well.

[Doc Kwak]

Agreed Sparco,
I am guessing that all of us who bought F4/A4's will be dipping into the pocket book to get the upgrade. I'm sure though, that the MT's will make certain that we are well taken care of since we supported them by buying our Angels through them. Can't wait to hear the "Official" word.

[jason63]

Supposedly, everyone is suppose to find out March 12th.

Jason

[52brandon]

How can WDP expect us to be that patient..... :microwave

[SkeL]

At least they give a set release date. Hopefully some reliable info will leak here early :)

[Hep]

Be patient folks. If you dream it.....................

[dynastySSS]

if u build it they will come.ery had to
any way im kinda mad a wdp b\c they didnt realase this with the regular 4s. but now on the fly. i mean on all the other flys it was pretty much just milling and weight. what ever i still cant wait to see what happens!!!

[jb12]

yesterday afternoon on fox sports, when they show the nppl, wdp had a tv ad and it had the new fly. it looks pretty sweet, and it does have covers or something. it looks like it has a real eye and not cops. pretty sweet.

[Emmit]

ummm yeah...that's what we've been talking about:doh:

[jb12]

yeah sorry, i'm in class and trying to do this beside my work, so sorry that i just restated what everyone's been talking about.

[Sparco]

Agreed Sparco,
I am guessing that all of us who bought F4/A4's will be dipping into the pocket book to get the upgrade. I'm sure though, that the MT's will make certain that we are well taken care of since we supported them by buying our Angels through them. Can't wait to hear the "Official" word.

Perhaps we might not have to... and I have a feeling that even if we do it won't be as great as we all imagine it to be. I know that personally, Ken has always gone out of his way to make sure I'm happy. I'm sure he's the same with all of his other customers. I know that Bob and Russ also have been extremely helpful as well.

So you know that when the time comes to retrofit, they'll take care of us once again. That's why we all paid $1250+ on this marker, for reasons like this.

[Doc Kwak]

I couldn't agree more!

[gomergomes]

youd have to send the marker for milling and buy/get the feedneck at least,whether a speed,a4,or f4

[52brandon]

youd have to send the marker for milling and buy/get the feedneck at least,whether a speed,a4,or f4
why would you need the feedneck, maybe it's just me, but it looks like the eye covers go into the body not the feedneck. I think it would just take some serious custom bodywork.

[Sparco]

or perhaps WDP specifically designed a retrofit system that would fit the Force4/A4 without any external modifications? I'd highly doubt that they would design a system that was not backwards compatiable, at least on the A4 body. As for the Speed owners, hard to say. Chances are it's a software upgrade, eye covers, eyes, and some milling.

I also feel confident that WDP will not leave A4 owners high and dry on this one. That would be a huge mistake.

[gomergomes]

The neck has new dimentions/specs first off,secondly WDP will not offer this for the A4's imo..,the F4 may be a different story,we will see soon,Alex

[Kdog-13]

I also feel confident that WDP will not leave A4 owners high and dry on this one. That would be a huge mistake.

I agree to some extent but new stuff being better than the old is the nature of the beast.

In cars when a new model comes out you can't bring your old one in to upgrade it. I hope that a retrofit kit will happen but I can see where it could be a total cf to make it work.

[wdpbrad]

dude that would be soo low of them not to release an ACE upgrade, i just got my 4 on monday an i feel sick knowing that this is coming out. the rise even upsets me a little too cause the one on the 4 now is a monster compared to the lowrise i had on my lcd. im so spoiled by the LCD display that i could never do the WAS/ACE upgrade, so i hope they do come through like everyone else is sayin

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

lol, hopefully the wiring can go in the hopper slot of the A4 board since no one ever made an intellifeed cover plate =P

[Marfless]

All I can say is:
SWEET.... :D

Marfless

[crim]

whats the price on this baby gona be about? anyone know? i'm getting alot of money from a loan and i want an angel, i think this would be the perfect one for me :swing:

[cveale]

The neck has new dimentions/specs first off,secondly WDP will not offer this for the A4's imo..,the F4 may be a different story,we will see soon,Alex

WDP will either offer this for the Angel 4 or nothing. If it comes out for the Force then it will be available for the Angel 4 as well. Remember, the Force is just a milled Angel 4 and not a direct WDP product. WDP will support their products before all others. I have NEVER seen WDP release a specific upgrade for a company like Cobra or Angel Force and didn't have the upgrade for their own stock guns already.

[idirtryder13]

I was told by rob moon that covers on the side of the feedneck could be adjustable ball detents, i think he was just trying to cover it up cause hes not supposed to realease info. Maybe its adjustable detents and eyes!!!!!!! but i still dont get what u could adjust on a detent?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Duracell]

I believe it is the cover for the eye and the for the ball detents. Just look at the picture; and the only thing i could come up with for an "adjustable detent" is maybe being able to adjust the tension for those halo owners.

[pntbalmatt]

took them long enough.
They still won't shoot as nicely as trixes and timmys, and dont even lie to yourself.

[BuNkErEd]

and can i ask why not?

[Hep]

Dont even ask that from someone who is bashing the most advanced gun on the market. Yeah I'm sure they can't be as reliable as the stack tube guns, yeah whatever. If you believe that pntbalmatt your just kidding yourself. As far as the other Pre- A4 Fly Angel owners go just be patient.

[Emmit]

took them long enough.
They still won't shoot as nicely as trixes and timmys, and dont even lie to yourself.
you're constant trolling is getting out of hand....why not leave and then you don't have to worry about Angels.

[Sparco]

WDP will either offer this for the Angel 4 or nothing. If it comes out for the Force then it will be available for the Angel 4 as well. Remember, the Force is just a milled Angel 4 and not a direct WDP product.

I agree and disagree. You're right, if they come out for the Force then they have to come out for the regular A4s. However that doesn't mean it might be cheaper, quicker, free, etc. for the Force owners versus the standard A4 owners. That was one of the advantages to the Force from the onset. Having that extra touch from the MTs in honor of your support.

I don't however see a retrofit kit coming for the Speeds. As for the car upgrades... I beg to differ. On my MazdaSpeed I had a serious problem with turbo lag. Mazda released a new part, software flash and some wiring for the 2003.5 MazdaSpeeds, after I got mine.

I simply brought my car in and got almost $850 worth of labor, parts and service work on my car for the low price of $0.00, so perhaps a better example K-Dog.

As for them shooting as nice as Intimidators, they'll shoot better. Especially knowing the bodies won't be stamped aluminum using Spyder detents.

[Jose_Rico]

I just love how everyone can judge how well this new gun will or will not perform by just seeing a picture of it. It just boggles the mind...

[wdpbrad]

im not bashing or anything, and this is slightly off topic but for some reason it seems like people think that cause they have a unique milling pattern and tech support that there gun is any different than the standard 4, as far as i know the internals are the same and all the only thing i could see is the breech opening could be different but that shouldnt matter with an eye. maybe im missing something

[Sparco]

im not bashing or anything, and this is slightly off topic but for some reason it seems like people think that cause they have a unique milling pattern and tech support that there gun is any different than the standard 4, as far as i know the internals are the same and all the only thing i could see is the breech opening could be different but that shouldnt matter with an eye. maybe im missing something

Well if you're implying anything from my comments you're missing the point entirely. My F4 is different from my buddy's A4 because of the TLC of the MTs. If marker needs a service call it's free, his is not. If (or when) WDP offers a retrofit kit for existing A4s I'd imagine that F4 owners will continue to receive this TLC. That's why I believe my marker is different, not because it's different (it's not and no one in this thread has said it was) but rather it's the TLC that counts.

[Kdog-13]

[QUOTE=Sparco]I had a serious problem with turbo lag. Mazda released a new part, software flash and some wiring for the 2003.5 MazdaSpeeds, after I got mine.

I simply brought my car in and got almost $850 worth of labor, parts and service work on my car for the low price of $0.00, so perhaps a better example K-Dog.
[QUOTE]

Let's not split hairs.

You had a serious problem the company was liable for. WDP doesn't owe people the next version of their gun because they bought the last version. Let's keep the discussion in reality.

[wdpbrad]

yeah i wasnt implying you, it was just something i was gettin. the other thing i think is that everyone (my self included) is really blowing this out of proportion with the Fly. we dont know whats really up with it or what there will be offered, if anything at all. but i think we all just have to sit back an wait until more information is released from a reliable source.

[Kdog-13]

Well if you're implying anything from my comments you're missing the point entirely. My F4 is different from my buddy's A4 because of the TLC of the MTs. If marker needs a service call it's free, his is not. If (or when) WDP offers a retrofit kit for existing A4s I'd imagine that F4 owners will continue to receive this TLC. That's why I believe my marker is different, not because it's different (it's not and no one in this thread has said it was) but rather it's the TLC that counts.

I hope that those of us who have purchased our angels from an Angel master tech (Cobra in my case) will recieve some sort of free or minimal priced retro kit. If and obviously this is a guess, the price was $200+ I not sure I expect the master techs to absorb that price.

[wiCKedBURN49]

You will see it in all it's glory on the 12/3/04 anyway

itll make my life better! decembers a long way away

[wiCKedBURN49]

ok im a flipping idiot!!! forgot to see that there were already like 6 pages of this..just noone ever believe me again...im retarded sometimes!

[Sparco]

Let's not split hairs.

You had a serious problem the company was liable for. WDP doesn't owe people the next version of their gun because they bought the last version. Let's keep the discussion in reality.

Split hairs... why not? You provide a reference that was completely irrelevant to the discussion, that wasn't even a good one. Then tell me to keep the discussion on track?

The fact of the matter is, if WDP wanted to preserve their A4 customer base they would make sure that existing A4 owners could retrofit to the new technology, sort of like the free COPS II software upgrade at World Cup. I also highly doubt the system is that complex to where it'd be a $200 upgrade, especially if the existing board is retained.

But I do agree with you, that the MTs should find a suitable price point for marker owners under their policy and I know they will do their best.

[mhill65]

Maybe it can go onto a speed, with stock speed board.

[cveale]

I agree with Kdog. WDP doesn't "owe" us a way to retrofit our existing guns with new technology. We didn't buy the guns we have with this in mind. We bought them because at the time of purchase we believed it was the best gun for the money. With that said, there is a huge benefit for WDP to offer an upgrade path for existing Angels. Most people don't have the funds for a shiny new Angel Fly. If WDP came out with a relatively inexpensive upgrade for existing Angels then they would have a huge customer base evangelizing their sweet new technology they have and turning the tide of opinon back in WDP's favor. The problem now is negative perception. Most of these opinions are not based in any fact whatsoever, but just as devastating to a customer base. They will achive the holy grail of consumerism by taking care of their legacy customers and will become the "cool" company to back and start attracting customers away from their competitors. Unfortunately, I think the tide has been turning away from WDP in the past few years. They really need something to wake people up and realize what truly great guns they make. With or Without eyes.

[oregonballa]

i think the fly looks pretty sweet i just wish i had a job so i could save and buy one. the cobra website said the mamba 4 is coming out in april so im gonna have to choose between the 2.

[vap0r]

I can't wait to see all the threads from people complaining that their FLY chops paint too and the eyes suck.

Calibrate SENSI and it works like a champ.

I can't wait.......

"I was shooting some 2 month old JT Elite the other day. I had my sweet Dye UltraLite .684 bore barrel on, and it was kinda cold outside. These eyes suck. It chopped like a mofo!"

[Kdog-13]

I just don't see how an eye upgrade, assuming that is what we are talking about, could be cheaply placed in an old 4 without drilling. Drilling correctly would cost a bit o money. Obviously I have no idea if the "eye" is drilled on the fly or what. We'll see in week.

[pntbalmatt]

sorry emmit, i'm just bitter that I spent $1000 on a gun and it turned out to be a major pile. Posting here helps me cope.

[Hep]

As far as the other Pre- A4 Fly Angel owners go just be patient. :wall:



:bigok:

[dako6680]

I am getting the feeling that the reason Cobra was lagging on their A4 version was because of this. They just updated their site and they responded to my emails as well as my calls and they said to just wait till april. What I was wondering this whole time was what took them so long and why would they lag this much when a4 sales and MT sales would just decrease the customer pool but I have a feeling if cobra releases their gun complete with the eye and new performance parts they are being very smart. If they release another milled version of a regular A4 I think they are in for a big surprise for their loyal customers. I love cobras milling but I would be stupid to pick a milling over a factory eye.

[dako6680]

I sincerely hope that cobra is making a eyed version not the regular one and same with MT. I think the fly is pretty dope since it is different but I never did like that squared look of the fly. The top looks tight but the side profile, I think MT F4 got it beat by a long shot.

[Sebastian]

Well... seeing how the price of the A4 plummeted recently... Everyone should have KNOWN something new was coming out... every year at this time WDP releases something.. First The IR3 in 2002... Then the Speed in 2003... Now this...

Stop complaining..... Thats why I didn't fall for the LOW Prices at Skyball.. Owen even offered to cut $80 of an A4 But I didn't bite...
Now I can Get the Real Deal.. But I guess these will be the Original A4 Price $1400

[52brandon]

that makes sense. Also, kinda makes me wonder. The Force 4s pulled back as well. I am almost willing to bet that the new Force 4s will have the factory eye, too.

[Benfrain]

What fascinates me most is that so many of you want to get this Fly/EYE thing done without trying it. How do you know it will be any better than Sensi? Can you fire faster than 31BPS?

The only problem I had with sensi is the durability of the strips, I don't see how eyes are going to be any more resilient, or any less hassle :doh:

Plus it looks a lot uglier, you have to admit ;)

Don't get me wrong, if there are definate advantages, I'll be straight in line, but lets get the fact before the fiction...

[Nitehawk009]

Benfrain, you're right on top of it. I always hop in line to get the "new thing out" and sometimes have gotten screwed. It's definitely a good idea to sit back and watch and see if this thing is gonna work perfectly or not. But as soon as I hear that the eye is better than the sensi for an Angel... I'll be in line to get one ASAP!

[cveale]

Yeah.. It's funny. My SENSI is working perfectly now and I haven't had a chop in longer than I can remember, but for some damn reason I still want this. What the hell is wrong with me??

[Emmit]

Benfrain, you're right on top of it. I always hop in line to get the "new thing out" and sometimes have gotten screwed. It's definitely a good idea to sit back and watch and see if this thing is gonna work perfectly or not. But as soon as I hear that the eye is better than the sensi for an Angel... I'll be in line to get one ASAP!
That's the reason I sat out for a while and didn't purchase an IR3 until they had come out with the COPS2 upgrades, and I was going to be able to get it for free at World Cup in 02. I did however jump on the 4 immediately as I knew that I would not be left out in the cold or disappointed by WDP and my Master Techs should anything come up.

[dako6680]

Im just wondering what would come of the sensi strip and the whole reign of the contraversial pizoelectronic ball sensor we all have gotten to love/hate. What I was thinking was how cool it would be to have the option of the two. I know some guns have had problems sensing with the eye due to light sensitivity/color of balls etc. If we had a choice on the field, that is more the marrier I say. Also, what will happen to the board? Will it have a new menu with the ACE or is it still going to be called sensi? I think it is about time that WDP steped upto the eye. I liked the idea of the COPS/Sensi but man I could never get it to work.

[dako6680]

WDP has the best gun in the world (in mosts opinion), probably the best air system with digital display (only one in the world again) and has some pretty cool apparel (still like dye better though). I think they should start migrating to loaders. I like VL Eggs I but it would be nice to see some variety and some more competition. Right now, the only contenders are Odyssey and VL. I dont think richochets or any other renegade company really were in the race for the high end players. I thought for sure the FOrce was going to be a loader but I was wrong. maybe they would come out with one that feeds what the angels could put out there. Only one could dream

[pgaglio]

The suspense is killin' me :cry:

[SlightlyChilled]

I was at the tech class when the 4 came out and people asked about eyes.
No thanks we have COPS and that’s all we need. Well now they have eyes and by no means am I complaining about the whole thing. WDP put a lot of time and money in to cops and in works well. Can you knock them for getting there moneys worth from cops.
Paintballers all over the world “give this to me free and you owe me that free. When you buy a new PC the day you get it home it’s old so get over it. Do you call Bill Gates saying give me a new chip? NO!!!! Sorry to go off topic a bit. Maybe WDP was just getting it right that’s all. Bash me all you like life goes on

[crazy8990]

ive heared that the eyes are so powerful you can see the beam...maybe that is just a rumor..

[pgaglio]

ive heared that the eyes are so powerful you can see the beam...

rumor has it that they can even see through the jerseys worn by the Femmes Fatale

[mychemicalromance]

lol

[firemedic30]

:again: :again: :puzzled: :hi: Decsion time..........March 12, 2004.......New FLY or New Force 4!!

[crazy8990]

i am being serious

[cveale]

i am being serious

Ummm.. If you could see the light then it would not mean it's more powerful. It would mean that it's not using an IR beam which is outside the visible light spectrum, but instead using a light within the visible spectrum. This is not a good idea because there is more ambient interference in that frequency range. Power has nothing to do with it.

[pgaglio]

i am being serious

I believe you. Of course, I was just joking.

[Emmit]

:again: :again: :puzzled: :hi: Decsion time..........March 12, 2004.......New FLY or New Force 4!!
I suggest waiting

[ICE_COLD]

guys it is the fly angel 4 just so you know im pretty sure on that not a hundred percent but pretty sure

it has ace on it also you can see the eye covers pretty good in this pick

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=433466

there is also alot of info there

the pic is not of very good quality because it was taken from a tv cause it was a commercial on fox when a paintball show was on

does anyone know what a price maybe?

[Xquisit]

every one know already it has ace...

[tgaffner]

This gun is going to be awsome!

The A4 is already 2.2 pounds..... Wonder how much this will weigh?

[Xquisit]

whats sad is, my gun is like already old with the a4 and mt a4 and the new angel coming out lol

[firemedic30]

I am Emmitt. I just want to research. Can't wait.......

[Worr Angel]

:again: :again: :puzzled: :hi: Decsion time..........March 12, 2004.......New FLY or New Force 4!!

Or another idea...

Get both!

Hmmmm, should I sell my E-Orracle and buy the fly????

[52brandon]

:again: :again: :puzzled: :hi: Decsion time..........March 12, 2004.......New FLY or New Force 4!!
the new forces haven't been released yet, this is just an assumption, but I think that since the MTs already know about the Fly and just can't tell us, that the new Force might have the WDP ACE as well. Just a thought/dream

[Jose_Rico]

guys it is the fly angel 4 just so you know im pretty sure on that not a hundred percent but pretty sure

Thank you Det. Holmes

Next time might I suggest at least reading the topic of the thread before you post.

[Sparco]

I would be shocked if both the second batch MTs and Cobra Mamba A4s didn't have the "ACE" system. Especially if they're both released after the FLY is unveiled. That'd seem anti-climatic.

One thing I've thought about it after looking at the eye covers, how do we know exactly that it has "ACE" and it isn't some "new SENSI" type system?

[Jouster]

I would be shocked if both the second batch MTs and Cobra Mamba A4s didn't have the "ACE" system. Especially if they're both released after the FLY is unveiled. That'd seem anti-climatic.

One thing I've thought about it after looking at the eye covers, how do we know exactly that it has "ACE" and it isn't some "new SENSI" type system?
Because I think the sponsors would not be able to hold themselves back from correcting us. We've filled almost ten pages, at this point, with assuming it's a beam-based anti-chop system; surely they aren't mean enough to let us hang in the breeze here, so to speak. ;)

And if the new F4's will have the new Sensi, then I'll wait for them, rather than grab a Fly. But the MT's need to tell us as soon as they legally/ethically can if this is the case!

Jouster

[Sparco]

Perhaps. It's highly unlikely that those covers aren't housing an ACE system as we know it (break-beam, reflective). However, it just seems odd that WDP would "ditch" their COPS system when they just 'perfected' it. I also don't expect any confirmation of any technology on the new marker until the 12th. Ken was all tight lipped with me even when I ran this site, I'm sure WDP doesn't want any information released unless it's an official one from them.

But you're right, I'm sure those that need to know the details either already know them or will know them before the 12th.

[Emmit]

or perhaps they are letting everyone speculate because they still have to abide by their Non-Disclosure agreements and can't say anything either way.

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

yeah, telling us what it is not is not too far from tellin us what it is =P

[firemedic30]

Hey Brandon I know. The Forces are due out the first of April. My research will start next Friday. I agree, the new F4's probably have ACE/WAS!!

[Jose_Rico]

Hey Brandon I know. The Forces are due out the first of April. My research will start next Friday. I agree, the new F4's probably have ACE/WAS!!

They definately will not have WAS. MT's are too devoted to WDP to go rigging sh*t up to their angels.

[firemedic30]

That is acutally my fault, I do not really know what the diff is. SORRY!!

[dako6680]

i wonder if the new MT Force 4 will be lighter than the first batch. I think the fly will be lighter than the regular a4 or otherwise the name is really lame. I dont really like any of the fly milling and I think they been less cosmetically appealing than the other ones. I hope MT Force4 will be lighter. Do you think it would be the same design or a completely new milling scheme? I guess only time will tell.

[cveale]

dako... the A4, Force4, and undoubtedly the new Fly and next generation Force are all super light guns. None of them weigh much at all. Did you find the 2.2 lbs of the Angel 4, or even less for the Force4 to be heavy??

[Hep]

By the low res pics from tv sanp shots all I can see missing is the mini reg gauge which in weight is nill. Milling wise I dont think much more can be taken off the F4 as it stands. Getting to a point that it's about it in shaving off weight. Unless a whole nother body version comes out. :shocked: Then your just splitting hairs on a couple of ounces at best. Well either way we will all see in a few days.
Peace,
Hep

[Jukie]

I have never had an Angel before and I have had my eye on the A4 since it came out. I finally got rid of a couple markers and was ready to buy the A4. My only hang up was the Sensi....so much mixed info. I decided that the majority of feedback on the Sensi was good vs bad. Now this new Angel shows up with talk about ACE and WAS....what to do. I am in love with the look of the A4 and the pics of this Fly are not good enough to make a decision. The milling looks very plain vs the sweet lines of the F4 and A4.

I would think that either way I should wait to buy. I am guessing that at the very least the A4 will drop in price like the Speed did when the A4 was released. There just seems to be so many good Angels avail now. Is all the hype worth waiting for? I want to start playing again in the next month and my fear is if I wait there will be waiting lists for the Fly etc and I will be without a marker for the first part of the season. Any thoughs on the availability of the fly? Do you think that they will have a Cobra and Force to release at the same time? I don't remember how long it took for the A4 to be easily available. I also hate paying full retail.....they always drop in price after the first month or two they are released.

I am use to the vision eye and I honestly never had a single problem with it....if this will be similar or break beam design I am guessing it will be worth waiting for. I also like the low rise on it. If they make a black to silver fade or blue to silver fade and it has a good eye system that still has the full LCD functions....I will be hooked.

I have read about WAS and ACE and it is really popular but it seems to negate many of the LCD functions. If you could get the same type of eye and have all of the LCD functions it sure would be nice.

Jukie

[Worr Angel]

News is that the new F4's will have ACE. If they keep the milling similar to the first batch of F4's you should definitely wait for that. As you mentioned, the Fly milling looks boring. I bet the new F4's will be much better.

[cveale]

I would wait for the Force or the Fly with eyes. SENSI works great for me now, but it was a long road for me to get to this point. I think the eyes out of the box will be less maintenance than SENSI. Plus you don't have to worry about jamming a stick squeegie in the breach.

[dynastySSS]

so do ppl with forces already get this done to them??

[Jukie]

So how long after the A4 did the Force 4 come out. Would it be realistic to expect to be able to get the new Force 4 or the Fly A4 or Cobra 4 before May or early in may??

Jukie

[Emmit]

there was about a month gap in the 2, and Ken has a sticky in the Force section regarding info on the second batch right now.

[K4S]

so do ppl with forces already get this done to them??

Im sure you'll be able to send in your current F4 to get updated with eyes but im quite certain that it wont be free.

[dako6680]

Im so tired of that line about weight being shaved off of the a4 from 2.2 oz. Of course the weight is negligable. I probably wouldnt even notice the difference if the fly was a full 2-3 ozs lighter. The point is the attempt to make a marker lighter than before. If we would have said that from 10 years ago, we wouldnt have a super marker now that weights 2.2 oz. 10 years ago, the minimag was a pretty good gun but if you say that an oz wont make a difference or that extra 3 bps wouldnt make a difference whats the point of making anything lighter and better. Im sure ir3 owners (me being one) didnt really complain about the weight but here we have a lighter gun because of WDPs commitment to make the best better. To me, its the attempt to make a light gun even lighter and a fast gun faster that counts for the gusto.

[JackalVR6]

Can I have my regular 4 upgradedto eye's. (Angel eye's not the WAS eye's)

[Jouster]

Can I have my regular 4 upgradedto eye's. (Angel eye's not the WAS eye's)
Read: http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=20051

Jouster

[bower23]

paintballstar.com has some more info on the new fly... anyone what a speed?

[Devs]

Is it just me or is the super-handy gauge missing from the fly? If So, I'd just rather get a retrokit than the fly. That gauge was so helpful its not even funny. Well... at least I think so anyway.

Devs

[sigmx]

www.wdp.tv/fly a little movie

[Emmit]

www.wdp.tv/fly a little movie
yeah that's posted in the other thread Ken started

[joeman23111]

well it shoots accurately at 15 feet

[JackalVR6]

Damn!

[dynastySSS]

yea sick hu

[bower23]

wow!! i think i'm in love!!! that movie rocks!

[acsik]

Throw your timmmies in the air and wave your angels like you just dont care...



Sorry

[runkbulle]

-But dad, I thought the Sensi was perfect?

-No son, that was just a marketing scam. Why else would they put eyes on it now?

-Oh, I understand. Just like the old "Cops is perfect" and then 3 months later they released the Cops2?

-Exactly!

[pgaglio]

-But dad, I thought the Sensi was perfect?

-No son, that was just a marketing scam. Why else would they put eyes on it now?

-Oh, I understand. Just like the old "Cops is perfect" and then 3 months later they released the Cops2?

-Exactly!

Well son, here's some news for you. Nothing's perfect except Raquel Welch's breasts. Why complain about WDP improving their products?

[dynastySSS]

lol

[runkbulle]

But dad!

Everyone said there was nothing wrong with Sensi even when I chopped every other ball on the field.

I know I can't drive yet but will it be like this when I buy my first car too? Paying a lot of money for a car without wheels.

Well son, here's some news for you. Nothing's perfect except Raquel Welch's breasts. Why complain about WDP improving their products?

[Emmit]

-But dad, I thought the Sensi was perfect?

-No son, that was just a marketing scam. Why else would they put eyes on it now?

-Oh, I understand. Just like the old "Cops is perfect" and then 3 months later they released the Cops2?

-Exactly!
how is something that works (and works quite well) a marketing scam? It's called giving the players what they ask for. WDP spends more time on R&D than just about every company out there, and instead of giving you something that looks like an elephant busted a nut on the side of your marker they give you this. Plain and simple WDP does not put out crap products, and this proves it.

[runkbulle]

If they spend more time on it than all the other companies how come they came up with an beak-bream eye four years later than Bob Long for example?

Please don't use arguments like "the new angel eye is much better than the one on timmies, matrices, vikings etc etc". Those eyes work and have worked for a long time now.

how is something that works (and works quite well) a marketing scam? It's called giving the players what they ask for. WDP spends more time on R&D than just about every company out there, and instead of giving you something that looks like an elephant busted a nut on the side of your marker they give you this. Plain and simple WDP does not put out crap products, and this proves it.

[pgaglio]

Nobody's begging you to buy a new Fly. So son, why don't you quit whining like a 2 year old.

[MoogLe]

Nobody's begging you to buy a new Fly. So son, why don't you quit whining like a 2 year old.


uhh yeah, if you dont like it dont buy it! it's as simple as that!

sensi does work! if your gun isnt tuned right it's gonna chop no matter what kinda anti chop system is on it, so if you're chopping and are not smart enough to tune your gun i suggest sending it to a master tech..

[runkbulle]

I like the fly because it's got an eye. If I buy it is another question :)

I don't know if the sensi discussion belongs here and if there's really any point discussing it with fundamentalists.

The fact is that WDP replaced the system. That means that it is inferior to break-beam eyes. Break beam eyes don't chop. So what could then be the inferior variable of the Sensi?

I've owned two speeds. Sensi worked better on one of them. I still chopped though. Both guns tuned by John Rice. Are you saying he isn't smart enough to tune a speed?

Any way the Angel Fly is a step in the right direction. There's now a reason to shoot angels again.

uhh yeah, if you dont like it dont buy it! it's as simple as that!

sensi does work! if your gun isnt tuned right it's gonna chop no matter what kinda anti chop system is on it, so if you're chopping and are not smart enough to tune your gun i suggest sending it to a master tech..

[Sparco]

If they spend more time on it than all the other companies how come they came up with an beak-bream eye four years later than Bob Long for example?

Well if we're going to squabble over R&D, how come Bob Long uses stamped aluminum for his trigger frames? Or how come he put plastic eye covers on the side of a $1200 marker? Or how come... or how come...

There's always room for improvement, there's always room for advancement. WDP is choosing to enact their advancement now.

One of my teammates has the break-beam eyes on his Viking with WAS. I sure did see a lot of paint oozing out of his eye covers at the end of the day. Odd, I didn't see any coming out of my breech door with SENSI.

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

I like the fly because it's got an eye. If I buy it is another question :)

I don't know if the sensi discussion belongs here and if there's really any point discussing it with fundamentalists.

The fact is that WDP replaced the system. That means that it is inferior to break-beam eyes. Break beam eyes don't chop. So what could then be the inferior variable of the Sensi?

I've owned two speeds. Sensi worked better on one of them. I still chopped though. Both guns tuned by John Rice. Are you saying he isn't smart enough to tune a speed?

Any way the Angel Fly is a step in the right direction. There's now a reason to shoot angels again.

according to you, why should i buy anything? why not wait till the PERFECT product comes out? ill tell u why, its cuz no matter how good something is, it can always get better, so sensi was great, but if wdp sees these eye's will improve performance and satisfy customers, are they juss gonna keep quiet?

"but daddy, if i design 2 is better then design 1, then design 1 must suck." = not necessarily a logical conclusion my friend

[runkbulle]

There are no perfect guns out there yet.

Just a funny sidenote regarding the plastic eye covers

"Only the finest optical components have been used, to ensure Angel quality. A profiled flexible polymer cover prevents damage from paint or impact." :doc:

Well if we're going to squabble over R&D, how come Bob Long uses stamped aluminum for his trigger frames? Or how come he put plastic eye covers on the side of a $1200 marker? Or how come... or how come...

There's always room for improvement, there's always room for advancement. WDP is choosing to enact their advancement now.

One of my teammates has the break-beam eyes on his Viking with WAS. I sure did see a lot of paint oozing out of his eye covers at the end of the day. Odd, I didn't see any coming out of my breech door with SENSI.

[Devs]

I don't think WDP could have made a smarter decision. They're finally leaving it up to the player what type of anti chop we want. I have never had any problems with my sensi even with a halo. But other people have. This just gives them the option of shooting the gun that they really want to shoot with the antichop system they deem most worthy. Timmies don't give you that. Nor do DM4s for that matter. It was a smart move on their part, and considering how much time and money they put into development I think it will be well worth the money paid. Not only have I not had problems with my sensi, but I haven't ever had problems with the eyes in my timmy. Its a proven technology that will only make the Angel better. :boink:

Just my $0.02

Devs

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

ahhhhhhhhhhh, march 12 is so close, the suspense is kicking my a$$

[napnap]

I just hope the "eyeQ" doesn't need to be calibrated like the sensi.

[Devs]

the only thing I can think of as to it needing to be calibrated is possibly paint color. That may only be with reflective eyes, but i'm not sure. Otherwise i'd think it wouldn't be necessary.

Monkey

[napnap]

Devs, I hope you're right, but "A dynamic pro-active operation that constantly self-adjusts to the feed rate of your loader" has me concerned. It sounds similar to sensi.

[runkbulle]

It takes some major skill to screw up a break-beam eye.

But all the hi-tech talk in the article is worrying.

Let's hope it rocks.

[cveale]

Devs, I hope you're right, but "A dynamic pro-active operation that constantly self-adjusts to the feed rate of your loader" has me concerned. It sounds similar to sensi.

Every single PDS on the market does exactly this, including SENSI. Honestly, I wish they would drop that BS marketing statement from both SENSI and the Angel Eyes description. SENSI told the gun it could fire when there was a ball in the breach. That's it. Just like every eye on the market.

[sleepy]

I don't think WDP could have made a smarter decision. They're finally leaving it up to the player what type of anti chop we want. I have never had any problems with my sensi even with a halo. But other people have. This just gives them the option of shooting the gun that they really want to shoot with the antichop system they deem most worthy. Timmies don't give you that. Nor do DM4s for that matter. It was a smart move on their part, and considering how much time and money they put into development I think it will be well worth the money paid. Not only have I not had problems with my sensi, but I haven't ever had problems with the eyes in my timmy. Its a proven technology that will only make the Angel better. :boink:

Just my $0.02

Devs

I do think they could have made a smarter decision. Think about it. Timmy's are a it lower pressure. WDP could have waited a little longer till they came out with the eyez. Another thing, what about all their loyal customers? Some just spent $1k or more for their Speeds/A4s, and now they come up with this! I'm disappointed that the eyes did not come out on the A4s. Its just like Bob Long, there are a million different timmys, but at least they all have eyes. I thought Fly 4s would just be smaller and have different milling. That's how it was in the past. I'm just pissed off and confused. I don't know whether to stay with WDP or not. Them, releasing the eyes now is just a slap to the face to Speed and A4 owners, especially to A4 owners considering that it is called a Fly 4. BTW, I own an A4 and I love it.

[gomergomes]

didnt you post some bs about a ghost angel?

[napnap]

Every single PDS on the market does exactly this, including SENSI. Honestly, I wish they would drop that BS marketing statement from both SENSI and the Angel Eyes description. SENSI told the gun it could fire when there was a ball in the breach. That's it. Just like every eye on the market.

Yes, I agree with you that a normal PDS is technically "self-adjusting" in that as soon as beam is broken, it fires. However, the Sensi is a little more complicated. It uses a fancy logarithm to detect the weight and force of the balls falling and the force of the air as the gun fires. Hence the reason for calibration. Sensi works fine. It got a bad rap because WDP didn't explain the need to calibrate when the Speed was first released. This bad rap has stuck. However, the Sensi has two major disadvantages IMOHO. First, the Sensi strip is too fragile. Second, it needs calibration. In a beam break, its just shoot and go. You can adjust the sensitivity when needed. This is what they should have done with the Sensi, instead of making it to calibrate itself. I think this is what they're trying to do to the "EyeQ". It seems they're trying to fix something thats not broken. A typical beam-break ACE is simple and idiot-proof. I hope I'm wrong.

Also, the article says "the Angel-Eyes break-beam is so powerful it can sometimes be seen with the naked eye". I was always under the impression that the more powerful the beam, the more suseptable to sunlight. Any comments?

[Emmit]

this bad rap for needing to calibrate it is not WDP's fault...this is purely the users who failed to read a manual so let's at least put the blame where it belongs....on lazy users who don't read. It is plainly stated in the manual that you must calibrate it each time you cycle the power.

[napnap]

this bad rap for needing to calibrate it is not WDP's fault...this is purely the users who failed to read a manual so let's at least put the blame where it belongs....on lazy users who don't read. It is plainly stated in the manual that you must calibrate it each time you cycle the power.

This was put into the A4 manual, but was never mentioned in the Speed manual.

[Jose_Rico]

I do think they could have made a smarter decision. Think about it. Timmy's are a it lower pressure. WDP could have waited a little longer till they came out with the eyez. Another thing, what about all their loyal customers? Some just spent $1k or more for their Speeds/A4s, and now they come up with this! I'm disappointed that the eyes did not come out on the A4s. Its just like Bob Long, there are a million different timmys, but at least they all have eyes. I thought Fly 4s would just be smaller and have different milling. That's how it was in the past. I'm just pissed off and confused. I don't know whether to stay with WDP or not. Them, releasing the eyes now is just a slap to the face to Speed and A4 owners, especially to A4 owners considering that it is called a Fly 4. BTW, I own an A4 and I love it.

What is with all the bitching about WDP? God forbid they come out with a lot of new advanced products right after each other. What the hell are they thinking with advancing that technology like that? I couldn't imagine what would happen if other companies released newer versions of stuff every 6 months or so (Could you imagine if textbook companies did it-- it would be just pure mayhem for college students.)

You know, I vote we boycot WDP for being so damn good.
</sarcasm>

[RiChieRoMa]

well, he does have a point on the fact that WDP has just came not too long ago with the speeds and A4's but you also have realize that they are just doing what is best for the company, basically there is nothing you can do. But if WDP were to maybe provide a service for the many owners of speeds and A4's to send in their guns to recieve eyes either for free (very doubtful) or for a discount price it would please many people, and improve thier markers, it would also give a better reputation to WDP.

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

to a certain extent i can see how people who just bought a speed or 4 might be pissed, but i personally aint complaining, as long as there's a retro fit kit, im all smiles

[Noopster]

Can someone please explain to me how it is possible to NOT calibrate the sensi? I mean if you make it through the first couple shots without chopping you should be fine (and I believe there is a cap on the rof during calibration) and from then on you are calibrated and good to go. Just a little confused as to why I keep hearing: "sensi works fine, it's the users fault for not calibrating."

[Emmit]

what's ironic is that the same people complaining about WDP releasing a new product seem to forget so many of the other companies who release a new product like every year or so...WGP, Kingman, AGD, SP just to name a few....just because there was a large gap in between the LED, LCD and IR3 doesn't mean we need to wait 3 more years for a new model again does it? Heck AGD and WGP have at least 5 versions of their current model on the market and available for resale and yet nobody gives them crap

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

before sensi is calibrated the mrof is 13 bps right? i guess if u try to shoot faster then that before calibration is done it could throw the sensi off from the load rate of ur loader (i think...correct me if im wrong)

[cveale]

Can someone please explain to me how it is possible to NOT calibrate the sensi? I mean if you make it through the first couple shots without chopping you should be fine (and I believe there is a cap on the rof during calibration) and from then on you are calibrated and good to go. Just a little confused as to why I keep hearing: "sensi works fine, it's the users fault for not calibrating."

SENSI can actually fail calibration if you fire air for the first few shots or if the SENSI sensor doesn't detect a ball during the calibration shots bacause it's broken.It will then set the 13 BPS max ROF until you turn the gun off.

[Devs]

Anothing think about this whole "ripping on WDP" thing. Timmies are a prime example. A new version is release damn near every 6 months it seems like. But the only thing that has really changed is the new frenzy board in the Alias and Empire timmies. Everything else was just milling changes. Yet people sell their 6 month old gun just to get the new one. So I stand firm with saying that I dont' think WDP could have made a smarter decision.

Oh, and by the way, I wouldn't give up my 4 for anything. Not even a Force4 or the Fly. I'll put in a retro Eye kit if they make one, but I worked hard at a ☼☼☼☼ty job to be able to afford my four. So :niener:! And besides, with the Speed, the 4, the F4 and now the Fly, WDP has guns across a much broader price range. Making owning an Angel more realistic. :)

[spec_v]

I do think they could have made a smarter decision. Think about it. Timmy's are a it lower pressure. WDP could have waited a little longer till they came out with the eyez. Another thing, what about all their loyal customers? Some just spent $1k or more for their Speeds/A4s, and now they come up with this! I'm disappointed that the eyes did not come out on the A4s. Its just like Bob Long, there are a million different timmys, but at least they all have eyes. I thought Fly 4s would just be smaller and have different milling. That's how it was in the past. I'm just pissed off and confused. I don't know whether to stay with WDP or not. Them, releasing the eyes now is just a slap to the face to Speed and A4 owners, especially to A4 owners considering that it is called a Fly 4. BTW, I own an A4 and I love it.

You mentioned timmy have a bit lower pressure. My 4 runs around 50. A timmy being THAT MUCH lower is a little out of the question. And on the eye eye deal. Straight from John Rice's mouth he said he never had any intention on using an eye system for the sole fact that he wanted a product that worked better and different from every other marker. And its quite apparent that the only reason WDP has decided to go with that route is that the HIGH demand from their customers. So dont be pissed at WDP its all the angry angel owners who are bias to the SENSI.

[Outerice]

Is it a speed fly or A4 fly :again:
It's an a4

[Worr Angel]

My 4 runs around 50.

Keep dreaming. Possibly the LPR does, but your gun operates more like around 200.

[Sparco]

I don't believe any marker in paintball operates in the double digits... someone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think that'd be possible, considering the gas needed to launch a gelatin ball at 300fps.

[RiChieRoMa]

he was replying to the part about timmies working on lower pressure, so he is talking about his LPR.

[LiquidDust]

i seen a dragun timmy run at 60-70

[bower23]

ok! it's 12:07.... I want more info!!!!! Please?

[IwanaANGEL]

none of the MTs are on to tell us...

well thog I guess u can do the honors :smile:

[MVpaintball]

Thog has info???
Well it's past midnight here so tell all

[thog94]

I'll tell you everything that I know, it will be posted just below this sentence:









Well that's about it, hope you enjoyed the info.

[IwanaANGEL]

I'll tell you everything that I know, it will be posted just below this sentence:








Well that's about it, hope you enjoyed the info.
nothing? ahaha sure i know u dont hang around Ken for nothing!

[thog94]

I'm just up waiting for Sporscenter so I can watch some college hoops high lights. The information that I have is what's on the boards, nothing more nothing less...

[Hep]

Well since Tk (aka Thog) didnt say too much I will say more



















Well that pretty much sums it up.

[bower23]

ok the first time was almost funny.... :piss2: and the second....

[Benfrain]

From a UK reseller on the www.walkonzone.com forum, a few more titbits...

Angel A4 Fly Spec


Features.

· Angel Eye’s (see below)
· ‘Laid Back’ Slayer trigger
· External Vernier Trigger adjustment, with Toe positioning
· Smoother Firing Cycle. Modified gas galleries allow the Fly’s LPR Pressure to be set way below 50psi, reducing bolt impact and allowing the use of very fragile paint.
· 6 modes of fire
· 21 De-bounce settings from Tournament Legal to ‘Oh My God!’ (where permitted)
· Ultra Safe Store Demonstration Mode – The Fly will dry-fire at an insane rate, to offer the store customer a true reflection of its awesome firepower, but will not fire if a ball is present.
· Modified Anti-Jam Twin Anti-Double-Balls. These new pivot action detents are specifically designed for force feed loaders, with extra snap-back to ensure only one ball per cycle enters the breech.
· Low-Rise Twist-Lock feed.
· Large volume chamber, offering working pressures under 175psi.
· 14j” Infinity Barrel
· Patented 90 Degree Space Frame.
· Custom Fly Back-plate.
· Smaller, Lighter design.

[cveale]

Cool, sounds like the detents are improved. The smoothing firing cycle stuff was interesting. Way below 50 psi!!!

[Emmit]

Ok,... So Its The 12th,... Where All The Info And Pricing?!?!?
try this
http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=20336

[bower23]

ok so when can we start to pre-order? and any idea on how much for the retrofit kit? I would hate to order a fly just to find out the I could have put eyes on my speed for 2 hundred bucks.....

[MoogLe]

I'll tell you everything that I know, it will be posted just below this sentence:









Well that's about it, hope you enjoyed the info.
rofl thog!

that gave me a nice chuckle :)