Problem with Milling? (Ken and other with Force 4 - check it out plz)

[tok3n]

I was admiring my force4 today, which I obviously love, when I noticed something strange about the milling around where the barrel meets the marker when screwed in.

I noticed the milling is cut so that when you look down from the top of the marker, the place where the marker should sit flush against the barrel is cut out a bit - concaved inward. That is part of the design right? Anyway, I noticed on mine that the right side was cut back further than the left - uneveningly. Is stuff like this normal? Just due to the milling process not being perfectly semetrical at times?

Below is a crude drawing of what I mean. I'll try to get a camera so it makes more sense.

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/ocw3/images/force4.jpg

[KEN CRANE]

that bwould be a better way for me to see it if possiable

[dynastySSS]

pics please i will help alot

[tok3n]

Here are some photos. It was really hard to get it in focus so close to the marker. The photos are zoomed in images where the barrel screws into the marker. As you can see, the right side is uneven from the left a bit.

First of all, is it normal for the area on the marker where the barrel screw in to be cut out in a concave like that? And is it standard to see this slight uneven milling?

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/ocw3/images/uneven-edited.jpg

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/ocw3/images/uneven2.jpg

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/ocw3/images/uneven3.jpg

[KEN CRANE]

thats just where the barrel stoped on the last thread.i dont see that as a problem at all.i will scope out a force that i have at the store tommorow.

[Doc Kwak]

My Force has the same milling. It has not been a problem, though. It has not affected my Evil Pipe kit. I guess as a purist, you could be irritated that the barrel is not flush with the body, but it won't affect performance. After all...performance is everything.....not!

[tok3n]

thats just where the barrel stoped on the last thread.i dont see that as a problem at all.i will scope out a force that i have at the store tommorow.

Ken, if you look at the left and right sides, you will see that on the left, the barrel sits flush against the marker. But on the right, there is a gap, the curved concave part of the marker is cut uneven.

Doc - you said you have the same milling - as in the concave milling? That I think is there on every force 4. But what about the uneven right and left sides? The right side has a gap as you can see pointed to in the first photo.

The link below points out the gaps.

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/ocw3/images/uneven-edited2.jpg

[Doc Kwak]

In my case, both with the stock barrel and my Pipe kit, I have a small gap on both sides. Meaning that my Force has both the concave front and the barrel (stock/Pipe) does NOT sit flush with the body at all. This is a very small gap that you would have to get close to see. I can not comment about the slight unevenness, since my Force has an equal gap on both sides.

[tok3n]

If anyone can take photos or tell me how theirs looks, that would be helpful. Thanks guys.

[Hep]

Much ado about nothing it looks to me. But I will look at mine later tonight and post what I see.

[Worr Angel]

Much ado about nothing it looks to me. But I will look at mine later tonight and post what I see.

When you pay over $1000 for something you expect it to be of the highest quality. Clearly it isn't and neither is mine. See my pictures. The milling on the body doesn't match the breach exactly on each side. See the pictures.

I think we can all agree that this won't affect performance. You would just like to have high quality.

PS My barrel sits flush with the marker all 360 degrees around it.

[DyeGuy331]

I checked my barrel and my breech area...where the barrel screws into the body I have a gap on both sides, the right side gap is just a hair bigger than the left, not enough to bother me or affect accuracy. (I just put an o-ring over the barrel to be safe though) The breech area is fine, no flaws there. About the only thing that does bother me slightly is the anno is alittle different shade of blue on the barrel and volumizer than on the body, but since I'm not using the stock barrel or the blue volumizers I won't complain...much. Even with all the little flaws I love my Force and am a satisfied customer. :bigok:

[Emmit]

color is something you have to deal with on any marker, not all the parts are done together. In the case of doing markers in mass batches often the same part is done at the same time ie: bodies, or grip frames etc. This is done to ensure that thay all come out the same shade or as close as possible. Barrels might be done at a completely different time thus the shade will be a little off as the conditions are never exactly the same from batch to batch.

[Hep]

I think any flaws just add character, not unlike that huge first gouge your gun gets after playing with it. Hell I drag mine behind my truck first thing to not have to worry about that first scratch or someone else doing it for me.

[winter001]

could it be that the barrel is not completly even all the way around and not the gun?

[tok3n]

No - its all the way in. Plus it looks lopsided when the barrel is off.

[Jouster]

Here's mine... looks great!

[dynastySSS]

hey jouster make a pick with the stock barrel maybe thats it

[Jouster]

With o-ring in place, and without.

Jouster

[tok3n]

I think the milling is varying a bit from marker to marker it seems. DyeGuy and mine both have lopsided milling around where the barrel screws in. And KidWorr has differences near the breech.

[Emmit]

I think the milling is varying a bit from marker to marker it seems. DyeGuy and mine both have lopsided milling around where the barrel screws in. And KidWorr has differences near the breech.
which is weird because it should all be CNC done...the only reason I can think of is the human error of setting the block in the vice, and it not being the same each time...

[tok3n]

Yeah. Anyone else have inconsistent milling? Lopsided milling around the barrel screw in area? Breech area? Anything not matching?

[tok3n]

Doc Kwak and DyeGuy, can you most pictures of the milling around the barrel area?

[Sparco]

Here's some photos of mine with stock barrel and breech area milling:

http://www.rikter7.com/images/a4/

[Jouster]

Here's some photos of mine with stock barrel and breech area milling:

http://www.rikter7.com/images/a4/
Wow, your ball detents are kinda funky, too?

Jouster

[jdp72]

Here are the pics of my F4 (polished blue) and Speed (dust silver) side by side. As you can see the area where my barrel meets the breech is also lop-sided.

In the second pic I swapped out barrels to make it clear that the barrel is flat...

The Speed shows a consistent amount of 0-ring'age around the whole diameter on both barrels, where as the A4 clearly does not.

[tok3n]

jdp72 - is the gap larger on one side than the other? Is that what you mean by lopsided? Or is it even on both sides but just concaved so the gap is larger right in the middle?

[jdp72]

tok3n,

It looks exactly like what your first post shows... The gap is larger on the right than the left.

I'll have to look at my teammates' Halloween (burnt orange/black) F4, he lurks around here sometimes so maybe he can chime in.