The complete Speed setup guide.

[krispy]

I wanted to make a complete speed setup guide that will sum it all up. Let me know if I am wrong. :dil:

This guide assumes that you have a large volumizer(any brand just make sure it is a big one), an adjustable tank, and that your marker is properly lubed.

1. Set tank to 350psi.
2. Put Gauge on the LPR side and the volumizer on the valve side.
3. Put tank on the marker and turn the gas on.
4. Unscrew Minireg screw as far as it will go and still hold pressure.
5. Set LPR to 55psi(Refer to manual for complete LPR adjustment steps).
6. Once the LPR is set properly, take off gauge and put either another volumizer(for looks) or an end cap in it's place.
7. Turn Dwell up all the way.
8. Chrono to 300fps(or whatever your field requires) using the minireg screw.
9. Drop the Dwell one step at a time until the velocity starts to drop.
10. After you see a drop, raise the dwell back up one(Which should be 17 or so).
11. Set MROF to max bps of the Hopper you are using. This is only used if Sensi is turned off. Ex. If you are using an Egg with z-board, set MROF to 19.
12. The sensi mode is up to you. I perfer using mode 1 or 2 with my Egg w/z-board, but sensi off is cool too.

Sorry I'm just soooo bored at work :blue:

[Kaizen]

Thanks for the info...I just got my speed today and needed a step-by-step dummy explanation...

...because I'm a dummy.

[paintballer4life]

Is it a gas hog now?

[krispy]

I don't know yet. I'm gonna try it on sunday to see.

[krispy]

I didn't get a chance to try it out this weekend. Emmit do you see anything wrong with my guide or is it correct?

[krispy]

OK. I just go back from the paintball store with a chrono. I put my tank at 350psi and my LPR at 52psi. I ended up with a dwell of 13. It riffles. No kick.

[SPiFF]

What do you mean with

Unscrew Minireg screw as far as it will go and still hold pressure.

Will it start to leak if you unscrew it to much? Or do you mean unscrew it until the LPR pressure wouldnt rise anymore? (meaning the minireg is set to 350psi or above)

[krispy]

I unscrewed it until the top of the screw is flush with the outside of the minireg. You should be able to still rub your finger over it.

[Clipkid243]

Does the minireg screw govern the pressure of the minireg output? In other words, how would you go about setting the minireg to about 350 psi? By the screw? Thanks :dinner:

[krispy]

you would need the gauge on the a4 to know exactly

[Emmit]

OK. I just go back from the paintball store with a chrono. I put my tank at 350psi and my LPR at 52psi. I ended up with a dwell of 13. It riffles. No kick.
at a dwell of 13 I think you might experience some problems...I recommend more like 15-17 with an LPR setting like that. Was that LPR reading at 350 out of the minireg (or by bypassing the minireg) or was that your input to the minireg?

[pure_dark_energy]

emmit, im prety sure that he meant from the tank...because he metioned adjusting the mini-reg

[pure_dark_energy]

I definately agree on the higher dwell

[krispy]

I will put it to a higher dwell, but would that just use more air? And be louder than needed.

[Twisted Logic]

Big thanks to Emmit, I got a speed and he was kind enough to set it up for me. I do not remember what the settings were but my speed has no kick at all and is very efficient. I have an E-blade cocker also and it is a pig compared to the speed. I can get 8 pods and 2 hoppers out of my 68/45. Did it this weekend and it blew my mind

[krispy]

Emmit,

I was asking you to explain why I would want to turn my dwell up if this setup guide I wrote is correct(?), then why would I need to have a higher dwell. I dropped the dwell like I wrote and my velocity didn't start to drop until 12, so I turned it up to 13. What I'm asking is would it just make my speed louder and less efficeint on air to turn the dwell up to 15-17. What is the reason of the 15-17 dwell? I know it isn't just some number pulled out of someones arse. Please pass on your great knowledge to me. I would like to know exactly where I should set dwell to. :again:

[Emmit]

emmit whats up
huh what????

[LowBudget]

krispy -

I have also done this and ended up with the same dwell. I see no reason that holding the valve open 2ms longer will help you do anything. Unless you want to drop operating pressure even further. I would assume that you would lose effeciency as well.

Two extra millisecs of dwell may be helpfull if you have a poorly performing air system (either tank or mini reg). I suppose it could be a crutch for the fact that a slow reg cannot recharge fast enough. Beyond that I would like to hear other experiences.

lb

[crim]

someone mind sticky this? i think it'd be great help for tons of people and reduce the making other threads about how to set up your gun.

[IwanaANGEL]

after i set my LPR in the way described above do I have to keep my tank output pressure @ ~350?

[krispy]

Yes like I said before, my speed works fine with 350psi going in from the tank, lpr at ~50psi, and my dwell started to drop at 12 so I turned it up to 13. So why would I want to have it at 15-17. It would just waste air and be louder than neccesary. Right?

[LowBudget]

after i set my LPR in the way described above do I have to keep my tank output pressure @ ~350?
Not necessarily. If you are using a secondary regulator like the Minireg then you could turn your air system back up. Depending on how well your air system flows you may have to turn it up.

[krispy]

huh what????

Emmit,

I was asking you why do I need to turn my dwell up to 15-17, if my velocity started to drop at 12?

[Emmit]

if you're happy with your performance then don't change anything is all I can tell you...it's your marker

[krispy]

I'm just asking where the 15-17 comes from. Is it just a number out of a hat or what?

[Emmit]

ask Ken ....it was his number

[krispy]

Ken,
Why is it recommended to have your dwell up to 17, if it runs fine at 13?

[Fish03]

Can you still set it up like this if your tank is preset at 450

[CW125]

how do you set the LPR to 55psi and the tank. I am a beginner so i don't really know much, but my tank has no nobs on it or anything to change the pressure with

[thog94]

how do you set the LPR to 55psi and the tank. I am a beginner so i don't really know much, but my tank has no nobs on it or anything to change the pressure with

You need the tool kit to change your LPR, and what kind of tank do you have?

[krispy]

Can you still set it up like this if your tank is preset at 450

Yes you will have to just take out more shims than me.

[CW125]

I have a TC Crossfire 4500PSI Low pressure

[krispy]

ya and

[Fish03]

would i just skip the first step if i have a preset

[krispy]

Yes, and just set your LPR to 50-55psi, by taking out shims.

[Fish03]

ok thanks krispy ill try it.

[KEN CRANE]

The Dwell Of 16-17 Helps On Paint Breakage And Colder Weather.if 13 Works Leave It

[krispy]

OK, I was just wondering if it would make it louder and use more air for nothing then? The low LPR makes it better on paint right?

[tarthal]

k i did what the guide told me to do but i noticed as i was droping the dwell i was geting crazys fps numbers jumping around alot sometimes as low as 254 then jump up to 311.
i got my lpr to read at about 57psi but i think i unscrewed the minireg to much. the screw was sticking out a good distance i brought it out as far as i could before it would leak. My dwell is currently at 15 right now. i couldnt really tell if my fps was droping cuase of the numbers i was geting so i stoped there. any ideas if thats normal or what?

[krispy]

k i did what the guide told me to do but i noticed as i was droping the dwell i was geting crazys fps numbers jumping around alot sometimes as low as 254 then jump up to 311.
i got my lpr to read at about 57psi but i think i unscrewed the minireg to much. the screw was sticking out a good distance i brought it out as far as i could before it would leak. My dwell is currently at 15 right now. i couldnt really tell if my fps was droping cuase of the numbers i was geting so i stoped there. any ideas if thats normal or what?

How new is you gun? It shounds like mine when it was brand new.

[tarthal]

hmmm like 3 or 4 weeks old

[krispy]

Do you lube it regularly. Maybe it is dirty inside. You might want to give a good cleaning.

[tarthal]

you mean take it completely apart like the lpr and lube it or just open the breech and put some lube in the top right hole. And if you do mean take the whole thing apart will the love juice i think its called the stuff that came with the gun work for oiling it? cuase i know theres other stuff they sell

[illy2k]

Do you only set your lpr to ~50 if you have a large volumizer? In the manual it says it should be set at ~80, and I am assuming that is without a volumizer.

[tarthal]

I was reading the post on the a4 board where these setings came from and it says 350 from the minireg and i use the gauge from the angel toolkit on the mini reg? since i dont have the A4 gauge on the minireg.

and once i get my setings to 50-55 on the lpr when i lower the psi coming from the minireg to get to 280-300 fps will my lpr setings change and if they do should i try and change it back between 50-55 if they do change by removing/adding shims?

[illy2k]

Where would the guage go?? I think the guage is only meant to be used to find the pressure coming out of the LPR. I could be wrong though.

[krispy]

you mean take it completely apart like the lpr and lube it or just open the breech and put some lube in the top right hole. And if you do mean take the whole thing apart will the love juice i think its called the stuff that came with the gun work for oiling it? cuase i know theres other stuff they sell

Somewhere in this forum, you can find exactly where to lube. I think the only thing that needs the love grease is the ram. I think you want to put a couple of drops of the love juice in your on/off, take off the mini reg and drop a couple in the top, and drop a couple in the hole at the bottom of the breech. At least this is what I do.

I used to have the same inconsistancies, but it is getting better over time. I'm still not where most people are a +/- 1 or 2. I'm at about +/- 5.

[krispy]

Where would the guage go?? I think the guage is only meant to be used to find the pressure coming out of the LPR. I could be wrong though.

The took kit guage gets screwed into the lpr side. Then screw the large volumiser into the exhast side. It has to be done in this order because the gauge will hit the volumiser as you are turning it in.

[illy2k]

I was replying to the person b4 me's post about using the guage to measure output of the minireg

[krispy]

True the only way to get a true reading of the pressure coming out of the minireg is to get an a4 flashtank w/gauge from one of the angel-owners sponsors.IMO it is not need. Just make sure your tank is outputing 350-450psi