3 things I've discovered about/through my Speed...

[cyeh01]

Well after having spent some good quality "getting-to-know-each-other" time with my Speed I guess there are some things that I'd like to share that might shed some insight on Speed/A4 owners or soon-to-be Speed/A4 owners.

1) Getting used to the stereotype that anyone owning an Angel will own the competition: Well, those of you who have Speeds probably experience this everytime you step onto the field whether it be walk-on or tourney, people are always checking out what you're rocking. So much so that I have subconsciously learned to cover my Speed when asking to jump in a walk-on, just so people won't judge me by my marker. I'd consider myself an intermediate player but the classic example happened last week when I hopped on a 3v3 game and 2 kids were like, "I wanna be on your team you've got an Angel!", then somehow I managed to shoot out the 3 on the other team and someone on the sidelines commented, "Is it any surprise that the only guy who shot anyone has an Angel?" So here's what I've concluded: It's actually a lose-lose situation for us Angel owners; if you win they'll say it's because you've got a Speed and if you lose, it's because you suck :) Gotta love good logic LOL

2) Get to know your Speed inside out: Those of you that post on AOG frequently either already know a great deal about your markers and/or are learning about them at an incredible rate. I can only encourage everyone to take advantage of Emmit and the rest of the gurus that possess this incredible knowledge and are willing to share with the rest of us. Personally, I read these boards for weeks before buying my Speed and even RTMF'd 3 times before I finally opened my breech for the first time. By the time my Speed arrived I knew what to expect, and the learning never stops as I constantly read up on new issues. What dismays me is that those who consistently post about common minor problems with their markers 1) did not prepare themselves by learning about Speeds/A4 before buying one, and/or 2) do not take care of your markers (which I'll get to later). I guess I am preaching, but there's value in it so I'll continue :) Knowledge is power, don't stop learning about your Speed! (Ironically those of you who are still reading this aren't the target audience that I want to reach but one can only hope right?)
ALSO, I am a tinkerer and would encourage those of you out there who want to gain a deeper knowledge of your markers to tinker as well. What I am saying is that if you believe you have the aptitude to learn more by taking your marker apart, and still put it back together properly, you have everything in the world to gain and nothing to lose. i.e. if you were going to send it to one of the sponsors anyway, imho you've got nothing to lose by trying to figure it out yourself. But that's my two cents :)

3) As with any marker, take care of your Speed and the better it will serve you: I'm guessing that those of you who frequent these boards are probably good caretakers of your Speeds/A4s. Most of you oil your markers regularly and clean after every use. Allow me to emphasize that taking care of your Speed is critical because though they are sturdy and well-built, there are many moving parts that need to be serviced regularly, and certain parts that are fragile and must be cared for. Personally I believe that the take-down time someone spends cleaning up his/her marker after playing, is inversely proportional to the probability of being "surprised" the next time one step on the field. For example, if you don't clean the COPS rod after a chop (knock on wood that hasn't happened), can you be sure that it will function properly next time you play? I know Emmit's marker is squeaky clean after he cleans it up, and I'll bet that Talfuchre and Moogle also spend money on cotton swabs for their Speeds. Moral of the story? Make your Speed an extension of yourself and she shall reward you with all that you deserve!

Thanks for reading, some of my views might be contradictory, I welcome all suggestions/criticisms. But above all, light 'em up!

[AnGeLSpEEd]

Nice post, same crap with me when im playing, but actually, this has motivated me to play better.

[AnotherAngelFan]

hear hear i salute u

[Luzrd]

well thought out, and well put!
to cyeh01 and anyone else that can clearly and intelligently phrase their thoughts, observations and tips.

PREACH ON!!!

[KEN CRANE]

i will tell you hands down that 90 percent of all warranty work we provide is due to the fact people just wont read the manual.i am not saying everyone should have to be a gun geek like some of us,but just some simple maintenance and adjustments can make all the difference in the world.oil a good set of ball end allen wrenches and a angel tool kit is all it takes.hey by the way i have a ☼☼☼☼ load of tool kits in stock. lol

and that was a great post

[paintballer4life]

I love how wdp dosent explain how to oil/lube there guns. How they expect me to take care of it with out that.

[paintballer4life]

i will tell you hands down that 90 percent of all warranty work we provide is due to the fact people just wont read the manual.i am not saying everyone should have to be a gun geek like some of us,but just some simple maintenance and adjustments can make all the difference in the world.oil a good set of ball end allen wrenches and a angel tool kit is all it takes.hey by the way i have a ☼☼☼☼ load of tool kits in stock. lol

and that was a great post
How much for the tool kits $45?

[AnGeLSpEEd]

Whats the point of a tool kit. and yeah wdp doesnt say in the manual how ot lube the gun..

[bos_2005]

The point of the kit is to where you can take apart your gun alot easier than without it. Very good investment IMO. you can also check the LPR pressure with it

[sharps990]

what are ball ended allen wrenches, just normal allans w/ round ends not squared

and are all of these tools you have in stock up on your site

sharps

[sharps990]

ken what is this under Master tech custom speed on your site

http://www.performanceangel.com/store/customer/home.php?cat=1

sharps

[thog94]

The MT's were the only ones to get faded speeds. The ones that are in the shop are the black to blue and black to red fades.

[bower23]

i would have to agree on all of that.... the thing that gets me are the people that pay 1000 bucks for a gun and haven't taken the time to get to know there guns.... like the people that ask odd questions... 'where's the bolt located at?' i hope these people never get behind the wheel of a car..... :stooges: that's my two cents

[Need4Speed]

Whats the point of a tool kit. and yeah wdp doesnt say in the manual how ot lube the gun..

a few drops of oil in your ASA and breech

[cveale]

Good post CyeH01. I have taken the philosophy of learning my gun to heart and now have a marker that won't chop any paint no matter what I feed it and no matter how fast I shoot. I can use a Halo, Egg, Revvy, or even a non electric hopper and no chopping. I have come accross just about every way that I can chop a ball and there was always a solution or fix for it. I had a huge smile on my face shooting my A4 today as it did it's job perfectly. Everyone who has issues with their Angels, I just want to say; Don't lose hope. There is a fix for any problem you have. WDP did not release a marker that had a faulty design or just chopped sometimes for no particular reason. Tuned right, a Speed or A4 can be made perfect. You almost feel sorry for the people (targets) at the other end of your barrel.... almost. :devil1:

[Confusion]

Well Said! I am new to the paintball world and I am getting my Angel Speed hopefully Sat. Feb. 20th.. WOOHOO! Im pretty excited about it! I come to the forums quite often to see questions and answers that I might not have known to ask! Thanks guys for all the info you provide on your guns and experiences, its greatly appreciated. Feel free to post your opinion again I enjoyed.. =)

[s NIP ers002]

i agree on learning as much as u can before you buy a marker, not after when its to late. i read so much on this forum and pbnation that i didnt even have to read the manual to disassemble and take care of my speed when she came in.

[cyeh01]

thanks for the props guys, I only wish to be as much of service as Ken, Emmit, and the rest of the regulars who add value to the community.

Now I'm not saying that WDP is all powerful and creates flawless products, I'm one of those that believe the Sensi system could be a little more sturdy, but I personally believe that 99% of the time something goes wrong with the marker it's user error. Machine's will be machines, there is always a reason something goes wrong and at the end of the equation you usually find some knucklehead (human) that made a mistake, but that's life :) I'm that knucklehead a lot of the time i.e. I forgot to put back the spring stack in my LPR not once but twice LOL! But I learn and I only hope that people point the finger at themselves before they go making assumptions about how 'timi's are better than Speeds, or that Sensi's suck and ACE is better etc. etc.

At the end of the day it's just science. Not even rocket science. Just high school physics with a little intro chemistry hehe. A little logic and motivation to figure stuff out is all you need to get your Speed/A4 chop-free, break-free, and problem-free. Of course you'll run into occassional snags; a broken COPS rod here, trigger adjustment there, but I implore you to approach it "scientifically" with patience and I can almost guarantee you'll figure it out and be ripping on timi and trix owners again in no time ;)

Thanks again everyone! When I figure out the science behind the key to having zero ball breaks, i'll write a dissertation on that too LOL

[AnGeLSpEEd]

Yeah some1 said to oilthe gun by putting drops into your asa and breech, the asa i know, but breech? you mean just put some drops of love juice down your breech? where exactly...?

[Emmit]

Yeah some1 said to oilthe gun by putting drops into your asa and breech, the asa i know, but breech? you mean just put some drops of love juice down your breech? where exactly...?
yes the inlet to your minireg, and the exhaust port. Put 2 or 3 drops at the inlet to the minireg, and a drop right on the tip of the exhaust valve guide, it's the piece you see sticking into the long L shaped hole in the breech. Then dry fire your gun for a bit, and you'll be good to go.

[pgaglio]

what are ball ended allen wrenches, just normal allans w/ round ends not squared

sharps

They have a little indentation cut a small distance from the end of the wrench so that the end looks sort of like a ball. You can usually find these in auto supply stores or better tool stores.

[bower23]

true true :blasting:

[JaRZ25]

Personally, I read these boards for weeks before buying my Speed and even RTMF'd 3 times before I finally opened my breech for the first time.

What is RTMF'd?

[mrtheoutlaw]

RTFM=read the f'ing manual

[JaRZ25]

hahaha

[cyeh01]

people just don't say that as much as they used to LOL

[Emmit]

people just don't say that as much as they used to LOL
we've been told it hurts peoples feelings so we were asked to be nicer :tiptoe: :cry:

[Xquisit]

Great post cyeh01. All things you have said throughout this thread have been dead on and exactly true. Personally Idk why some people always just diss sensi after a small problem that is probably user error. Just tune ur Speed right, and let it rip!

[cyeh01]

I have a theory that if there were an age requirement/AND OR knowledge test for owning a Speed/A4, there would be a decrease of discussions of minor problems, as well as a decrease in repeated posts, disses, resold Speeds/A4s, ACE'd Speeds/A4, pretty much a decrease in complaints across the board...

Actually this not only holds true for WDP products but all makes of markers. But an age/knowledge test is like trying to make it illegal for idiots to reproduce... just not gonna happen :)

Oh and before anyone flames me for mentioning age requirements, in my defense it is merely a suggestion which is why I used and/or when mentioning age and/or knowledge test... actually I prefer the knowledge test. If you have the aptitude to understand your marker, then you deserve to own an Angel. But if you are an average 3rd grader that knows nothing and has owned nothing but Angels and Matrixes, and instead of fixing your gun yourself, you just switch between the two (or three that you own) then I would prefer you not come onto AOG and whine about how your Sensi broke or Halo's suck etc. :)

If you are a genius 3rd grader and understand thermal dynamics and nuclear fusion then an Angel Speed/A4 is not hard to figure out, but there's a lot going on in these markers and unless you put the time and effort into it, it's an uphill battle - even for me and 3rd grade was 16 years ago, which makes me... old

[AnGeLSpEEd]

what like 24... o yeah real old!

[Dr SPeeD]

hi i was wondering if u could help me im planning on getting a new marker soon and im taking a look at the angel speed and i was wondering what problems mite it bring? (if there is any) and do u have any suggestions on maybe what other marker to buy? id really appreciate the help thanks

[JaRZ25]

only problem I ever had with mine was leaking through the asa, but that was my fault cus im a dumbass :D speed is a GREAT GUN no problems and so easy to rip on. good luck, get a speed!

[p8ntbllr2001]

I have the same problem... I wanna be on the angel guys team :cry:

[pgaglio]

hi i was wondering if u could help me im planning on getting a new marker soon and im taking a look at the angel speed and i was wondering what problems mite it bring? (if there is any) and do u have any suggestions on maybe what other marker to buy? id really appreciate the help thanks

The question of which marker to buy depends largely on your budget. If you have a decent budget for a gun, hopper and air system, say in range of $1,000, then the Speed is a great choice. Other possiblities might be an upgraded Impulse or any number of used high-end guns (Intimidator, Matrix, Viking, E-cockers, etc..). The Speed is a relative bargain at around $800 new and is a very reliable/low maintenance gun.

[cyeh01]

pgaglio is right, when I was deciding on my Speed it just so happened that it was straight out best bangs for the buck. Now since this is my first upper-end marker, I did not feel comfortable shelling out more than 1k for the A4. If I had to compare the Speed to similar tiered markers ($$$ being an issue), I'd say Impulses and well... that's all I can think of.

Now if you asked me what other guns I'd consider not considering cost? I'd probably tell you Matrixes and Intimidators hold their own quite well. Of course I'd really look into getting an A4 before getting one of those since I know the Speed so well.

You gotta find out what you like, why you like it, and if you can afford it.

Regards,

Charles

[tippmannpain889]

thats an awesome post. am to say one thing my friend who just got his speed is a fool. he doesnt clean it ever... he has spent over 500 just sending it in to get it fixed. all he says is..."this gun sucks its always breaking on me and always chops"...i dont think hes ever even opened the manual. Well so all i have to say is to RTFM!!!

[pgaglio]

thats an awesome post. am to say one thing my friend who just got his speed is a fool. he doesnt clean it ever... he has spent over 500 just sending it in to get it fixed. all he says is..."this gun sucks its always breaking on me and always chops"...i dont think hes ever even opened the manual. Well so all i have to say is to RTFM!!!

I've noticed the same thing about paintball guns and some of the idiots who own them. It's probably not an overstatement to say that more than 90% of the problems people have with better guns are user error, stupidity or a combination of the two.

[cyeh01]

Wanna hear about stupidity and user error?

2 weeks ago my breech knob was somehow stuck in the open position and my bolt fell out. In my rush to get in the next game I didn't realize this and had 5 seconds to get my barrel condom off and turn on the gun. Well, when the game went live I came out shooting, only to find my balls dropping out of the barrel. I think I fired off about 8 shots... I spent the better half of the next hour cleaning up the mess I had made after I found my bolt on the ground. :)

Now it's a good thing I can take apart the entire exhaust side of the gun. Otherwise I'd be one of these guys selling my Speed and saying bad things about it because I didn't know that the bolt had to be in before you could fire :)

Charles

[Emmit]

cye....I'm sorry but I really have to laugh at you now....:lol::lol: and a little :pointandl

[bower23]

well as funny as that is..... i've done it too.... someone asked what the a4 bolt looks like. so I took it out and showed them. the only problem was i forgot to put it back in..... and well then you can only guess what i was doing for the next hour....

[cyeh01]

Here's another one for you if you liked that one Emmit :)

I picked up my Angel took kit a couple days after getting my Speed and I went straight for the the shims in the LPR. So I remove 2 shims, put on the LPR gauge and screw on the volumizer... well in all my excitement, I forgot to put the spring stack back in. I thought, "Ahhh no big deal, I'll just degass and put them back" LOL WRONG!!! You can't fully degass without the spring stack because there's too much residual pressure. But without degassing you can't get off the volumizer and without getting the volumizer off you can't remove the LPR gauge to put back the spring stack... :) It took me an hour and a half with an adjustable wrench and a towel to get the volumizer off. The adjustable wrench allowed me to move the volumizer 10 degrees each turn and finally I was able to get it off with MUCH MUCH difficulty...

Here's the kicker, 12 hours later I did it again.

Goddamnit... LOL my volumizer still has the scars to prove it ;) If I had to do it all over again, I'd try removing the grip frame and or the exhaust valve or something else to degass internally, but my oh my I'll never forget to put back the spring stack again... twice :)

[wIngEdPaInTer]

I agree with all the points you have made throughout your post especially your first. I have to mention that I however enjoy it when it happens in reverse. Where you are the one toting a rental that has to say the least seen better days. I used to own what I thought of as a very nice vert feed cocker that I had built my self (now I have my speed). One day I walk up to the crono and find out that lending it to a friend wasn't the best idea. So anyway I end up renting a marker for 7 dollars for 6 hours. And about three games in my entire team is elimnated and I am left alone against a tourny team who had earlier not even given me the decency to respond to questions about their e-orracles, basically they blew me off and my small talk. So it's me against these three pompous mid twenty punks and one nine year old in an enormous yellow jersey. They all decide to rush me one up the right one the middle and the last laying down some cover. I elimnate the two front players and advance to take out the man in back. However the tricky little nine year old in the yellow jersey blended in well on this dark morning at the yellow sup-air field. SO end of story is he marked me and won the game. After the three were asking me numerous question... have you played before? Are you on a team? I gave them a little of their own medicine and shrugged themm off as I walked back to the field with my little friend in yellow and congradulated him on a game well played. Moral is it feels great to win the war but winning a battle can be even sweeter. :drink:

[memers0n]

I just bought my 05 speed 8 days ago, I've played with it twice and its just ripping. Im sortof on the opposite end of cyeh though, I oil my gun whenever I need to, and I'm going to take it into my local shop to get them to show me how to grease it when I need to. My motto is if it ain't broke don't fix it. I screwed up my last gun tinkering around with it, so now I'm going to be as careful as I can with the speed.

Oh and by the way the gun rips, At first I didn't have a vboard and I was maxing my halo like it was nothing. Fastest shooting gun on the field, and now 4 people with timmys/dm4s at my field want one!

[iwanaspeed]

nice post thanks :clap: :bigok:

[batman14]

Nice job on the 1,2,3 of marker owner ship the cleaner the better.
That dosn't mean no oil or grease just clean it like the man, reads.
thanks :cheers:

[cyeh01]

I am honestly quite impressed with the ability of AOG readers to research old threads. This thread was started more than 9 months ago and people are still reading and researching to learn more about their markers. Well done guys! You are giving Angel-owners a better name by knowing more about your guns.

I have been out of the scene for a while and expect to get back in now that I have a little more time. And though a few things have changed, i.e. fly's and new loaders, my setup is still as flawless as it was when I last set it up. And that's the beauty of knowing your marker, it's only as good as you are! Just a few drops of oil in the breech and it's like I never left.

Charles