New WDP Fixed low pressure air system... [Archive] - Official WDP Angel Owners Group

KEN CRANE

01-21-2004, 09:38 AM

we should have them in a week or so.they were orig. only going to be released in europe but wdp had a batch sent to the u.s.this is a fixed reg at 450.00.it will have loc socs on it as well.nothing more than that.i was sent a flyer on it yesterday but cant find it in my 200 emails i got yesterday.

J-Man

01-21-2004, 10:08 AM

thog94

01-21-2004, 10:43 AM

I love my AIR, but wouldn't mind having a bottle with a 5 year hydro on it.

Emmit

01-21-2004, 11:18 AM

Thog...in case you didn't know your AIR bottle should be a 5 year...if it was manufactured after a certain date the DOT stamp was given a 5 year, if it was before said date it still has to be done at the first 3 years, and then afterwards it falls under the 5 year time frame.

thog94

01-21-2004, 11:26 AM

OK I know that I have a 3 year bottle, already checked out the dates and stamp. I just didn't know that it would fall under the 5 year after the initial 3 year hydro. That reminds me I need to get it done next month! :doh:

Speedy_in_Blue

01-21-2004, 03:15 PM

Sweet, gonna sell my crossfire to get one!! When they are avalible that is!

MM77X

01-21-2004, 07:15 PM

Although I would like to have one,the price when converted is $311.40.I'm guessing that is the full retail pricing.Maybe they will be a little less when they reach here.

Benfrain

01-21-2004, 07:27 PM

I would be almost certain they will be far less than that. I would estimate $249, maybe even $199... We always pay more for our kit unfortunately, even for the stuff that gets made here! :(

Speedy_in_Blue

01-21-2004, 08:17 PM

that kind of sucks

capt_nitro

01-21-2004, 10:08 PM

Hey ken, surley they are not trying to sell a preset system for $311. I mean if the price was below $300, say $250, it would be more legit. I do trust it is a great product, but is it $100+ greater than the crossfire tanks or even the PE systems?

Emmit

01-21-2004, 10:22 PM

we'll simply have to wait and see when the sponsors get them, what their price is.

Marfless

01-22-2004, 12:11 AM

I need to get me one of those..... :D

Marfless

SkeL

01-22-2004, 05:48 PM

now, did WDP make this tank, or did they buy it and put their name on it?

coldzephyr

01-23-2004, 10:12 PM

Did I say something wrong to have my post deleted?
I see how it could be controversial, but I didn't think I had crossed any lines.
I am sorry if I did and thanks for taking care of it.

Wkboardin4life

01-24-2004, 05:12 AM

whats the set output going to be? 400? 450?

pimpinsaylor

01-24-2004, 11:23 AM

now what is this again a replacement for the old air system or somee think new that dose not need that regulator that the old ones used

Speedy_in_Blue

01-24-2004, 11:32 AM

it is just an LP screw in tank is all. I believe they will still be making the Angel AIR.

pimpinsaylor

01-24-2004, 12:01 PM

so is it compadable with the old air reg.

mrtheoutlaw

01-24-2004, 12:27 PM

yes it should be, you can put the angel air regulator on any 4500 psi rated bottle

pimpinsaylor

01-24-2004, 12:41 PM

sweet

pimpinsaylor

01-24-2004, 01:21 PM

do these even need the old reg.

thog94

01-24-2004, 01:26 PM

No reg needed, it comes with it's own preset LP reg. Here's a pic of the flyer from the 1st post.

pimpinsaylor

01-24-2004, 01:47 PM

so what the first air is now gone and useless

KEN CRANE

01-24-2004, 02:00 PM

no the "air" is still being made and will be for the long run.they are running another batch in a week or so.this is just a trial run for an lower priced air system with the style we are used to.

pimpinsaylor

01-24-2004, 02:33 PM

so ken what your saying is that this might not be a long run air system

DrKillJoY

01-24-2004, 06:26 PM

why you guys turning the master techs words around. WDP is now making adjustable and screw-in presets. WHat is so hard to understand that they are manufactureing two different regs? It's like saying now that the a4's are out they going to stop making the speeds?

nuclear zombie

01-24-2004, 07:47 PM

I can't wait , I didn't really want to spend the money for an adjustable tank, and the only other lp screw-in i could find was a crossfire . My local dealer is calling one of the sponsors this week , hopefully i get one reserved . :cool:

ovaclip

01-25-2004, 01:36 PM

when will i actually be able to buy one.. because i was gonna either get the speed with tank or the a4 with tank... (wich one do u guys prefer) so i wanna buy one now(the tank)

nuclear zombie

02-05-2004, 08:24 PM

According to my local dealer WarpSportz, has some of the fixed pressure tanks , but it's a three week wait to get the Angel Air I want. :dunno:

mantis

02-06-2004, 07:08 PM

Well guys,mine screw in air has just arrived today for www.paintball-center.com.

It look's great with the lok soks,just like the previous air system.The regulator is extremely identical with the pmi's pure energy reg,i think it's the same!!!!The only difference is the "a" jewel instead of the nuclear one that pmi's have.

The "Angel Branded" on the poster means only the "a" jewel on the reg?????hmmmmmm.... :again:

JTp8ntballer12

02-06-2004, 09:33 PM

in other words, dont turn into dye

proraptor

02-07-2004, 09:23 PM

Crossfire tanks own all

Talfuchre

02-08-2004, 09:43 AM

I think this is a Pure Engery LP reg slapped on a AIR tank. I will have to see performance FIRST.

By the way, for all of you that think your conquest, AIR, and others are SO superior to screw ins... I think this proves that Angel themselves believe a Screw in is just fine.

So 'gut' your mini reg, use a electronic Brick on a bottle that costs WAY too much and needs to be serviced after every game... Better yet buy a adjustable tank with a flip lever (whose company has done SO little for the sport outside of sales - name the last thing they sponsored)... I am sticking to my Crossfire LP (that has NEVER been serviced) and I will be steady sending you fools to the dead box.

TF

spikediesel

02-09-2004, 04:19 PM

Talfuchre

Preach on brother preach on............................
:clap:

cyeh01

02-11-2004, 06:00 PM

Talfuchre, i myself have a x-fire lp bottle... i recently put on a gauge to measure output pressure and i've noticed that with a good fill (4000+) my output is around 500ish and that when i'm running low, it drops down to like 450ish... is that consistent with your experiences? Namely that output pressure varies slightly with overall tank pressure?

mpire123

02-11-2004, 10:22 PM

By the way, for all of you that think your conquest, AIR, and others are SO superior to screw ins... I think this proves that Angel themselves believe a Screw in is just fine.

While I believe screw-in tanks and adjustables are on an equal playing level for the most part, my opinion is that WDP is offering this screw-in to get a piece of the pie since the only air system they had was, well, the AIR. Not everyone was willing to dish out the money for the AIR, and it seems now the trend is moving towards screw-ins.

I've had both the Crossfire LP and the Conquest and both have done their job flawlessly. However, I'm sticking with the Conquest because I like the reg on it, which allows me to tuck my gun in tighter without using a drop/rail/ASA/on-off.

IwanaANGEL

02-11-2004, 10:26 PM

we need to get a review on this soon....

im planning to get it soon unless its the same as my PMI 68/5000...

any1 know if they are gona have these at the PSP event?

dako6680

02-12-2004, 07:38 AM

Why is everyone doggin on the AIR? So what if it is a little pricy. The best comes with the price. I have read many threads on this site and other paintball sites and I have heard nothing but good things for the AIR. I have one myself and I have owned the crossfire, AGD flatline, Nitroduck and the AIR is the best one I have ever used bar none. The digital display is tight since it tells you how much you are putting out down to the notch where no guage has ever done so if you want to tune your gun to a better song the AIR is the best way to go. Screw ins are fine but personally I like being able to set mine. I dont know how good this things going to be but knowing WDP im sure its going to rock. Other than the weight the AIR is superb. Never had any problems with consistency. As far as this screw on I hope it is light. Then I might tink about spending some doe.

Luzrd

02-12-2004, 10:41 PM

ok im confused
is this an adjustable like Emmit had said earlier or a preset like others are saying or is there a choice? (i hate to question Emmit , but dang! whats the deal?)
and any update on the price?

Emmit

02-13-2004, 07:15 AM

as stated by Ken it's a preset system, I was misinformed very early on, and thought either it was corrected or I had corrrected myself. Sorry for the confusion. What Ken stated is obviously correct.

Emmit

02-13-2004, 07:17 AM

we need to get a review on this soon....

im planning to get it soon unless its the same as my PMI 68/5000...

any1 know if they are gona have these at the PSP event?
unless you're doing it because you want the graphics on the bottle it's not really worth it. You already have a fixed output tank that you can make the reg LP, and you've got a 5000psi system, why downgrade to a 4500 psi system?

Luzrd

02-13-2004, 01:07 PM

thanks Emmit
i was confused because there was mention of adjustable, and fixed, and someone made reference to a preset available but the angel air they wanted wasnt available.
(i guess they meant the original air) so i figured/hoped maybe they were releasing both fixed, and adjustable.

RaistlinsLegacy

02-13-2004, 05:48 PM

we got a couple into the shop today, they are NICE lol

IwanaANGEL

02-13-2004, 08:28 PM

unless you're doing it because you want the graphics on the bottle it's not really worth it. You already have a fixed output tank that you can make the reg LP, and you've got a 5000psi system, why downgrade to a 4500 psi system?
i only want to get this because I hate my THOR! it is so freaking heavy.. so i was planning to get this when i sell my thor

Emmit

02-13-2004, 10:07 PM

but your Pure Energy reg can be converted....take it to the shop, and tell them you want to change the spring stack to a LP set up, and then you won't need the Thor

IwanaANGEL

02-13-2004, 10:09 PM

will any shop do it? even a shop like II sports???

Emmit

02-13-2004, 10:10 PM

if their tech knows his rear end from a hole in the ground he should be able to do it.

IwanaANGEL

02-13-2004, 10:14 PM

Is it possible to do it my self? i dont really trust the guys at II they were to ones he put teflon tape on my macro fitting and I almost got it into my speed

Emmit

02-13-2004, 10:16 PM

Is it possible to do it my self? i dont really trust the guys at II they were to ones he put teflon tape on my macro fitting and I almost got it into my speed
I don't know what all is involved in doing it, I just know that it can be done. My local shop guy has done it plenty of times.

AnGeLSpEEd

02-20-2004, 07:56 PM

http://www.firstcallpaintball.com/detail.aspx?ID=1076

peejii

02-25-2004, 07:05 AM

The reg is a PMI ...

vap0r

02-25-2004, 10:04 AM

Its a shame the reg is not a Crossfire.

Dang.

pgaglio

02-25-2004, 11:33 AM

The reg is a PMI ...

Do you know that for sure? From the pics it sure looks like one. My experiences with PMI/PE regs have not been good.

peejii

02-25-2004, 11:46 AM

Do you know that for sure? From the pics it sure looks like one. My experiences with PMI/PE regs have not been good.

Pure Energy. They said it on Paintball2000.de. A german paintball site.

pgaglio

02-25-2004, 01:06 PM

Ok, thanks Peejii

batmantis

03-01-2004, 06:26 AM

pe stuff rock my omly problem is i kepp braking the guage on my 68/3000

Big Pappa

04-07-2004, 02:15 AM

Any reviews on the tank? Pros, cons?
I would like some testing info....

silentchaos

04-07-2004, 10:02 AM

beside the point its sp wat would u recomend a maxflo or this?(for a a4 fly)

Jouster

04-07-2004, 11:06 AM

beside the point its sp wat would u recomend a maxflo or this?(for a a4 fly)
The Maxflo would be going to waste; the Angel doesn't need an adjustable tank. Personally, though, I'd have to recommend a non-WDP product--my Crossfire stubby has one of the best flow rates in the business, and its shape really helps you get behind those bunkers, even with a minimal drop-forward.

Jouster

silentchaos

04-07-2004, 11:07 AM

ty :) was just looking for a opinion.

pgaglio

04-07-2004, 11:44 AM

Overall, the Max Flo is a better tank (you'd want the HP version), but as Jouster said its potential is really wasted. Also, the price of the Max Flo reflects its additional features.

The LP crossfire is a great tank and so is the Nitro Duck X-stream. Both are relatively inexpensive screw ins. The Crossfire is a preset and the X-stream is adjustable. You can't go wrong with either one.

Worr Angel

04-07-2004, 04:58 PM

I think the best tanks on the market are WGP tanks. I have used both crossfire and Max Flo's on my E-Orracle and have problems with shootdown from both. I have not tried them on my Force 4. I have used my two adjustable WGP tanks on both guns and have had no problems. I have also used the preset tanks without problems. I am not sure, but I beleive the adjustable WGP tank is the cheapest adjustable on the market.

pgaglio

04-07-2004, 05:09 PM

The Nitro Duck X-Stream is about $220. How much are the WGP adjustables?

Worr Angel

04-07-2004, 05:20 PM

The Nitro Duck X-Stream is about $220. How much are the WGP adjustables?

About $280 at www.paintballgear.com. The x-stream is a preset isn't it. I thougth only the megareg was adjustable.

I think the nitro duck series is very good as well.

Emmit

04-07-2004, 06:19 PM

the X-Stream is an adjustable system, it's just done differently than any other...it's the only adjustable screw in I know of.

Doctor

04-07-2004, 08:10 PM

Emmit

04-07-2004, 08:23 PM

why not get an ASA with an on/off??? A lot of companies make them. Then you can leave the tank on the marker and not worry about it, and no you don't have to remove the bottle to fill it.

Jouster

04-07-2004, 09:54 PM

i have a question about using this tank. i am used to adjustable regulated tanks where i just leave the bottle on the gun to get filled. do i have to do the same with screw-ins? therefore my gun would alwasy have air going to it. or can i get it filled and then screw it onto the gun a la co2?
Generally, you leave nitrogen tanks--both the pre-set "screw-ins" and the adjustables--on the gun when filling them.

Jouster

dynastySSS

04-07-2004, 10:50 PM

i like macdavs my self and angel air but the only down side to air is the weight o well i still love my big grl :)

Doctor

04-10-2004, 07:24 AM

im sold.

Jarret

04-12-2004, 12:25 AM

(hey emit u got msn or aol how can i contact u?)
well im lookin for a new tank and im seriously considering a crossfire LP preset 68/45 but anyone think this angel will be any better ?

Emmit

04-12-2004, 07:16 AM

(hey emit u got msn or aol how can i contact u?)

I've got a PM box:dunno:

pgaglio

04-12-2004, 11:04 AM

(hey emit u got msn or aol how can i contact u?)
well im lookin for a new tank and im seriously considering a crossfire LP preset 68/45 but anyone think this angel will be any better ?

Personally, I'd buy the Crossfire. I've just had too many problems with leaking regs on PMI tanks. Plus, I think the Crossfire has a better flow rate.

JTp8ntballer12

04-12-2004, 03:08 PM

i would get the pmi/wdp system cus its lighter and smaller, and flow rates are almost as good, but i think xfire is the best (except for the fact that mine was a leamon)

dbx

04-12-2004, 03:10 PM

Personally, I'd buy the Crossfire. I've just had too many problems with leaking regs on PMI tanks. Plus, I think the Crossfire has a better flow rate.

If I'm not mistaken the leaking regs on PMI tanks are due to a earlier revision of the reg, it has been resolved from what I have heard. So basically no leaks, comparable flow. I wouldn't think that WDP would rebrand a POS and sell it to its customers, but then again... If mine leaks I will post it.

JTp8ntballer12

04-12-2004, 03:30 PM

my pmi tank i bought about a year ago had some small leaks coming from the guage area. the crossfire has a little bit better flow rates i think, but they are too heavy and a bit more bulky

garrick

04-12-2004, 08:12 PM

I just got my mine today from Performance Angel. Thanks Ken. It does look like a PMI reg. The only thing is that mine is missing the logo but I guess I can find something else to put there. It also has low pressure engraved right below the 4500. The lok socks and label look cool. How can you tell if it is a 5yr or 3yr? It doesn't say like my other tanks. Is there some code? :smiley:
g.

Emmit

04-12-2004, 08:22 PM

it's all about the DOT stamp...you need to check your DOT stamp with DOT standards.

JTp8ntballer12

04-12-2004, 08:46 PM

its a 5 year rehydro becayse tjats what all the addds say

(and they never lie :)

garrick

04-13-2004, 02:03 AM

So just to be clear what do people go by, the DOT or TC number? If you go by the TC number 5134-310 is every three years and 5 yrs for DOT 10915. Also thanks Emmit for the heads up.

g.

Emmit

04-13-2004, 08:11 AM

In the States you go by the DOT number in Canada you go by the TC number.

baruchpbclub

09-23-2004, 05:55 AM

thought these might help

reading steel/aluminum co2 and nitro bottles - http://www.southcoastbattlegroup.com/articles/articles_4.html

reading fiber wrapped nitro bottles - http://www.carltech.com/new-composite/e11005.html

akes

09-23-2004, 08:42 AM

That makes it very Easy to tell the 3yr Hydro`s from the 5yr Hydro Fibre Bottles

Thanks ---------- Big Al

Vuuduu

09-23-2004, 09:28 AM

This set LP tank looks very promissing.

I recently picked up an 88/5000 Evil Scion air system to go with my yet to arrive 05 Speed.

Has anyone else used the Scion system? any thoughts?

Thanks.

baruchpbclub

09-23-2004, 10:05 AM

ive tried the scion and didnt find the recharge rate that great.. the angel lp systems are decent but still not as consistent as the worr gas tanks and the crossfire tanks

wolfram075

11-28-2004, 03:12 AM

This set LP tank looks very promissing.

I recently picked up an 88/5000 Evil Scion air system to go with my yet to arrive 05 Speed.

Has anyone else used the Scion system? any thoughts?

Thanks.

got one on my 05 and it works great...never had any shoot down and you can get the tank right up to the back of the grip with just the rail supplied with it...awsome for those tight x-ball bunkers and such