Chop-chop-chop?????

[LionFish]

for the past few weeks ive been chopping sick....it seems to be @ where the ball enters the chamber.Ive changed the deterents (back to stock,they were used for a month)and the breech is clean befor the mess...ive been useing field PMI premium also.any sugg... thnks all

[firemedic30]

You might want to check to see if there is a burr or anything. Also (without air) hand feed a ball into the chamber. See if it rolls back. If it does, you may want to look into adjusting the ram.

[ezrunner]

Ok, a few questions:

First off, this is the cold season now and the speed was new this year, so what LPR and Dwell are you running?

Do you have the gated feed on there? Could that be interferring with your feed?

What loader are you running?

I have dropped my LPR to 55 and bumped my dwell to some insanely high setting to keep this gun easy on the cold paint.

I also run an Egg... so let us know what you have :)

-rob

[meechusuh]

Wait wait! if i open up the bolt chamber(or whatever its called), and i drop a ball, it shouldnt roll back? because when i have my loader on, open my chamber up, and lean it back, bunches of balls start to drop until i turn my loader off.. is it not supposed to do that?

[Synthetiq]

yeah it is supposed to roll back if ur breech is open but not roll forward, if it does you need new detents. Try to up the dwell alittle and get the soft touch bolt if you haven't yet.

[MoogLe]

Wait wait! if i open up the bolt chamber(or whatever its called), and i drop a ball, it shouldnt roll back? because when i have my loader on, open my chamber up, and lean it back, bunches of balls start to drop until i turn my loader off.. is it not supposed to do that?
A4 bolt will fix that

it's a worthwhile investment

[Emmit]

the first post talking about the ball rolling back is with the breech closed and the bolt in place. If the ball rolls back to rest on the face of the bolt you're leaving room for another ball to partially enter the chamber and be damaged when the bolt goes forward.

When the breech is open yes balls should roll out the back as there's nothing there to stop them.

[meechusuh]

k thnx

[pgaglio]

What hopper are you using?

[brock1949]

hi everyone sorry to just jump in the middle of this but i am probably going to pick up a angel speed with angel air from a local shop trying to get rid of it. I was wondering how often does a angel chop? compared to like a impulse with vision, I ask that bcuz its the other gun he is trying to sell me. So if anyone can kinda fill me in that would be great.

[F5monkey]

when it is set up good it won't chop very often. mine has not chopped yet.

[brock1949]

see the problem is the local shop HATES angels there all smart parts so i didn't even know this gun was for sale when i started going there cuz they never pushed it so its kinda hard to get a grasp of how they are. I used to play on a team wtih a guy who had one but i just wondered how they were overall accuracy, chopping, distance, speed, and reliability. Thanks a ton for the quick response

[brock1949]

and when you say setup good it won't chop what kinda setup are we talking what do i need to worry about on this gun day to day and first time setup.

[pgaglio]

I've owned two Impulses and now own two Speeds. Don't get me wrong, an UPGRADED Impulse can be a very nice marker, but the Speed is far superior IMO. Plus, the Speed looks a hell of a lot better than most custom Imps and the looks of the stock Imp don't even compare.

Also, stock Imps need to have numerous internal and other upgrades. If you're into that kind of thing (I am), then they are fun markers to work on. If not, they can be a pain in the arse. Also, the Imp vision system has a reputation for being finicky. If you want an Impulse, buy a non vision model and then put in a WAS Equalizer board if you're concerned about chopping.

As far as chopping issues go on the Speed, I have absolutely no problems using Sensi mode 3 and an Evo II hopper. However, using a Halo B, I simply could not get it to stop chopping. Now, many other members here use Halos very successfully with the Speed, so it's kind of a hit or miss thing as far as I can tell. Based on my own experience, I would definitely recommend using an Evo II hopper and Sensi with the Speed.

Finally, if you're going to buy an Angel, buy it from one of the sponsors of this site. The give lifetime warranties and provide great customer service. It doesn't sound like you'll get that from your local shop, which seems like a good place to buy an Impulse if you go in that direction.

[brock1949]

Well see the only thing is about getting it from that shop is i did the website for the shop and he is making me a deal on the thing to get it out of there more less so its kinda hard to not get A gun from him bcuz of how its setup... Plus its a angel speed with angel air and a freak barrel for 850 with the warrantte cards and all i guess he had it as a demo gun for a show he went to and said they just can't handle having angels there and selling them bla bla bla. Now the part that concerns me is i have a HALO B i just bought :( I am trying to figure out the deal with the chopping i mean i have a spyder TL with every part you can put on and its really accurate and actually a really nice gun but its like 6 years old and its kinda a joke to play tourney the thing is i have played with it in every condition and maybe broke 5 balls in 2-3 months. I understand its a TON slower gun but are we looking at more or less breaking?

[Shibby]

Don't worry about the Halo working on your Angel. I have a Halo and it will flat out rip with it. I Adjusted the Ram forward a bit and put the 4 bolt in there and have never (no lie) chopped. Plus if you are worried about the Halo issue. I know a bunch of people who will trade an Evo for your Halo.

[cyeh01]

How do you define a chop and a break? I've had a few balls break in the barrel in my first weekend of playing but none on the bolt... I've had 4 breaks with Zap Chronic and one with Anarchy.

I can't see how it's the guns fault, but it is breaking in the barrel..

[Synthetiq]

chop is in the breech area. It relases a ball into the breach but because of either like the halo pushing the balls in real hard about a third of the 2nd ball enters the breech causing a chop. A soft touch bolt should solve that problem. If you have your sensi off and set your MROF to 17 when using a revvy and you shoot too fast and the revvy can't keep up it may result in a chop. A break is in the barrel usually caused by weather, bad batch of paint, or too big paintball in a small bore size barrel, or other barrel problems.

[Emmit]

How do you define a chop and a break? I've had a few balls break in the barrel in my first weekend of playing but none on the bolt... I've had 4 breaks with Zap Chronic and one with Anarchy.

I can't see how it's the guns fault, but it is breaking in the barrel..
that's either your dwell being too low for the paint (cold weather often requires higher dwells) or your paint to barrel match...getting a ball or 2 that was just a tad big for the barrel and it blew up instead of shooting out.

[Synthetiq]

yeah if your weather is cold try upping your dwell alittle, it should help

[pgaglio]

Well see the only thing is about getting it from that shop is i did the website for the shop and he is making me a deal on the thing to get it out of there more less so its kinda hard to not get A gun from him bcuz of how its setup... Plus its a angel speed with angel air and a freak barrel for 850 with the warrantte cards and all i guess he had it as a demo gun for a show he went to and said they just can't handle having angels there and selling them bla bla bla. Now the part that concerns me is i have a HALO B i just bought :( I am trying to figure out the deal with the chopping i mean i have a spyder TL with every part you can put on and its really accurate and actually a really nice gun but its like 6 years old and its kinda a joke to play tourney the thing is i have played with it in every condition and maybe broke 5 balls in 2-3 months. I understand its a TON slower gun but are we looking at more or less breaking?

That's one hell of a deal. I'd take that in a second. The fact is, you may have absolutely no problems running the Halo with your speed. As I said above, many people here have no problems. I was just telling you that with mine, I've tried everything and couldn't get the Halo to perform. On the other hand, I just shot a case of paint through my Speed using an Evo II and at the end of the day the barrel was clean as a whistle. Not a single break or chop all day. :biggthump

[LionFish]

Hey all thanks for the imput I think i was chopping due to it being cold & the paint not being stored right,also my settings were off since I had added the volumierZer.Took it to jingle @ warped & its perfect now.

[brock1949]

Hey and thanks everyone for all the info, I payed the rest that i owe on the angel speed now so i got it for 850 with angel air and freak barrel..no inserts :(... but i won't get it till tommarow or sat cuz i gotta finish some work for the shop first.

[F5monkey]

i haven't broke a ball yet in my speed ( breach pinch ) with the sensi set to your loader & ram adjusted good you should have no problems. check your solinoid ( 6 or 3 volt ) for charging. 6v charge twice. this gun is a blest to play with.

[akruse21]

okay guys, up until now i have hardly ever chopped. I'm not using sensi cuz my halo breaks it every time. I got my a4 bolt yesterday, went to play today and CHOP CHOP CHOP CHOP, NO BALL, CHOP. So i'm sitting out games cleaning my gear and i notice my halo is jacked. Its not spinning like it should. When i get home today I go to really clean everything out gun wise. I cleaned everything. I go to drop test some balls and i notice they arent dropping all the way, they are half in the chamber. With stock bolt they drop like they should. So i'm thinking its a ram problem, whip out the manual and try to pull back the ram a little. But its pretty vague. Anybody help with this issue. Thanks.

[cyeh01]

Some poeple need to adjust the ram when they install hte A4 bolt.

What happens if you don't? I know that some people can't open the breech, but does this affect chopping?

[s NIP ers002]

im guessing it will affect chopping. the bolt wont go back far enough to give the ball enough time to drop down before going forward again.

[brock1949]

Well this is exactly my next question so i guess i'll thrown in mine see if you guys can answer both. I was wondering first of all where to get the A4 bolt to go with my speed + halo also what the price on these things, and then how hard it is to setup the thing to run right.

[pgaglio]

Well this is exactly my next question so i guess i'll thrown in mine see if you guys can answer both. I was wondering first of all where to get the A4 bolt to go with my speed + halo also what the price on these things, and then how hard it is to setup the thing to run right.

you can get the A4 bolt from any of the sponsors at the top of the page. cost is usually $25. it's really not hard at all to set up the marker correctly. you might consider getting a tool kit from one of the sponsors. although it's not absolutely necessary, the kit is pretty useful IMO