Trigger bounce

[PBPlaya159]

I keep hearing about someones trigger is bouncing and they are getting insane bps, what exactly is a trigger bounce and how do i get one on my lcd?

[WarpedKid02]

A trigger bounce is when you pull the trigger back and it shoot's, when you release it shoot's again. I am not real sure how to do it on LCD's, but someone in here probably knows. Use the search feature. There has been other threads about this topic.

[Kris1187]

i dotn know truly how it works but it happend to me when i had my system x double trigger on my gun. i was talking to soemone about that and they said for some reason that tends to ahppen a lot with system x triggers

[C.Carles-AOG]

Adjust your trigger short, set the return short as well. When you fire rapidly, there will be a spot on the trigger that due to the recoil will "bounce" and you'll almost get a reactive trigger. Two shots out of every pull. I find it's too easy to chop though.

[antk9]

thats just insane. A hopper can't feed fast enough. Say you can pull 12 bps normally(which many people can), multiply that by 2 and you get 24 bps. You'd chop every time to fire rapidly.

[ShadowsOfTheFallen]

trigger bounce is when you pull the trigger fast and get it into a sweet spot where you are not really pulling it all the way back then releasing it to get it to fire. This was an easy thing to do on intims because of the set screws in the trigger are so easy to set the trigger really short. once the trigger is set correctly, you can start ripping on it and it will kinda sound like you are in full auto because the rythem smooths out from the trigger bounce. you still have to pull the trigger for this to work but its not a full pull. once you start shooting fast, you can get your finger in the perfect spot where the kick of the mark bounces the trigger just enough for the board to detect a trigger pull.
If none of that made sense (cuz i doubt it did), its simple, a short trigger pull set correctly with a light trigger finger, most likely will produce trigger bounce. but, so long as your gun doesnt shoot like this as soon as you pull the trigger, you can't get booted from a tourney, right???
ps. when you pull the trigger and it fires a shot then it fires a shot when you release it, thats auto response not trigger bounce, its one of the modes on bushmasters.

[Emmit]

. but, so long as your gun doesnt shoot like this as soon as you pull the trigger, you can't get booted from a tourney, right???


that is not an entirely true statement. Trigger bounce is purely a ref's call. If a ref sees that you have too much bounce he can pull you from the game. If a ref feels you have too much bounce when he takes the gun to chrono it, he can make you get a different gun. What might be bounce on field 1 to a ref, may not be bounce on field 2 to a different ref. It is a judgement call by the ref on the field you are playing. Oh and yes the ref can watch you during the game and pull you for it in the middle if he feels you've got too much bounce (heard about it once in the Millenium series, never heard nor seen it here in the States tho)

[C.Carles-AOG]

Good call Emmit, I have seen people pulled for it. SOTF, it's called reactive and many guns have it as a mode; it's where a gun fires on pulling and releasing of the trigger. Essentially two shots per pull.

[karrkrash01]

dude i can just hold my trigger in a sweet spot i found and it just keeps firing at over 14 bps. its crazy

[WarpedKid02]

Do you mean you have found a fast sweet spot, or a spot where the trigger will click into full auto?

[Emmit]

Originally posted by karrkrash01
dude i can just hold my trigger in a sweet spot i found and it just keeps firing at over 14 bps. its crazy


that's sweetspotting the bounce..........good job:clown:

[karrkrash01]

its cool but my friends will go to 18 bps and mine onl goes up to 14. we ave the same settings and everything why does his shoot faster. is it cuz he may be holding th bounce loner so it speed up over the longer period of time??

[karrkrash01]

sorry for the horrible typing

[Emmit]

karrkrash.....

it just means that your triggers are set up ever so slightly differently, or something internally (ie LPR, SnapRing, Ram) anything that affects the kick of the gun will also affect the trigger bounce. Perhaps you're running different input pressures. Dwell and ROF are about the only things that you can be 100% certain are set up exactly the same on 2 different markers.

[brian5]

it dosent have to be a short trigga pull, i have seen almost every impulse do this e-zly when dry firing and thier trig pull aint short it all has to do with how much the gun ''bucks''. you are basicly holdin the trig steady and the rocking of the gun trips the switch. as to why one shoots faster than another,... PRACTICE. gotta go, its 4:20:sshh:

[dnl6000]

My lcd does this also but it does it when i just single shot. When i pull the trigger it shoots and when i release it shoots but i have the prob set to true semi. It there any way to stop this.

[Alex-Angel]

Im horrible with my angel, but everyone else can rip with it. Its really embarasing. ):

[CpCnCir3]

some of you guys are making it sound like the gun shoots on the pull and the release. this is not true. trigger bounce is when you hold the trigger at that spot where the micro switch is activated. you hole the trigger still and the kick of the gun rocks the trigger back and forth over that micro switch activation point at very fast speeds. to do it easier you have to hold the gun with a really loose grip so it can kick easier. i find this annoying and i like knowing i can actually shoot at 15bps without the help of kick but sometimes it just does it by itself.

i still get mad when i hear stories about refs pulling people out for shooting too fast, especially from trigger bounce. reactive triggers are another thing but being penalized for your gun kicking the gun into a rythm is just BS in my opinion. my brothers impulse does it even though his pull is set rather long. the thing shoots one shot per pull but if u do as i said earlier it gets mad trigger bounce and goes crazy. a ref checked me one time because of doing this on accident with my old impy. thats why i love my opto board ir3. something about the opto trigger. it wont let the thing get trigger bounce. i like this because it makes my shooting so much more consistent instead of real quick bursts and i can still hit 15bps.

[dnl6000]

No No mine really does shot on the pull and release? when i pull it all the way it shoots then when i let it go it shots. But if i just pull it to where it clicks it only fires once

[matthepepe]

i had the same problem for a short time. My angel would shoot on both the pull and release, it was rather dangerous, i messed w/ the trigger a bit and it worked fine from then on.

[cutter4320]

I've read a lot of people saying that the opto trigger can't get trigger bounce. I've been playing with mine, and I found a sweet spot where I hit 16bps without moving my trigger. I even had teh gun shouldered. I've been doing a lot of tinkering on it, and it's just fun to scare walk ons. :devil:

[Emmit]

Originally posted by cutter4320
I've read a lot of people saying that the opto trigger can't get trigger bounce. I've been playing with mine, and I found a sweet spot where I hit 16bps without moving my trigger. I even had teh gun shouldered. I've been doing a lot of tinkering on it, and it's just fun to scare walk ons. :devil:

so this was posted in a thread about trigger bounce in the LCD section why? It seems like it pertains to the Opto trigger which is exclusive to WDP's IR3 line of markers....but I'm sure I'm just pointing out the obvious here right........ :doh:

[cutter4320]

oops sorry, I did a search and forgot to check which forum I wnt into. Once again sorry won't happen again

[C.Carles-AOG]

Take it easy cutter, Emmit is hard on rookie beeyotches ;-}

[theflash2k2]

on mine i took out the stiffness spring and made the trigger a little longer than as short as i could get it and itll get a lovely sweet spot on it.

[Emmit]

no worries cutter....

promoting awareness is what it's all about.....

as for Mr. Carles.....:tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

[icegod]

I had one of my LCDs sent to warped for some tune ups a while back, whatever they did they adjusted my trigger where it would shoot about 5 per pull and if u hold it just right it would FA above the 13bps cap, i didnt have any balls but my ROF was about 22-23bps. i was afraid to play around shooting paint with it bc of the fact i was @ about 70K in shots with NO BREAKS and didnt want to upset that streak, which is currently @ 95K :D. I adjusted it down and set my trigger back up so it will only fire 2 every so often when i hit higher rates of fire.

Also from some peeps i talked to nppl was hiring ppl @ huntington beach to specifically watch for trigger bounce and sweetspotting. The ppl they were paying were bystanders paid just to check for it and alert the ref afterwards and then they would be dropped from the tourny completely. This was also in a post on PBStar.com Forums. I wasnt at HB so i am unsure of the reliability of it but from waht i've heard they are trying to cut down on it.

[i like tictacs]

Too bad the max of an LCD is 20...

[C.Carles-AOG]

Psst, if you can't make 'em duck in or eliminate 'em with 5 what's 20 gonna do fer ya? Embarass ya further? BPS is spurred on by paint companies :duh:

[C.Carles-AOG]

Oh yeah, Emmit, right back atcha! :tongue:

[GTRsi]

Originally posted by C.Carles-AOG
Psst, if you can't make 'em duck in or eliminate 'em with 5 what's 20 gonna do fer ya? Embarass ya further? BPS is spurred on by paint companies :duh:


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[DATRUPIMPWITANIMP]

Guys the bouce that everyone is talking about is internal to the switch. This is where you basically hold the trigger in place and the gun even with the slightest amount of recoil will cause the switch internally to bounce. even if the trigger didn't move.
It is right at the make break point.
There is also know in electronics that contacts(switches,contactors,etc) All have a electrical bouce in the contacts it is due to the current jumping the contacts as the make.

I know that Jim Drew with Wicked air sports has his board that checks the trigger 1 million times a sec. this will pick up much more bounce and that is why he programed a debounce into the board. to turn the bouce down.

If you have anymore ???'s just email me and I can help you understand maybe a little more.

Just incase you are wondering I work in Avionics/Electrical Experimental engineering so I can go in to much more detail. I think that would just confuse more then it would help
Sorry for any sp error's I'm tired and headed to bed.

[icegod]

Originally posted by i like tictacs
Too bad the max of an LCD is 20...

Not always true, my lcd board could do more than 20 just as any other, its capped @ that, however with the right programming knowledge it can be more, just gotta mess around. The guy i bought my dark 2k from had it reprogrammed and the MROF was 30 on semi & FA, i never set either over 20, nor did i actually try the FA out over 16 which it outshot my 12v (which isnt saying alot but still) on that fast, and at the time that was really the only hopper i had to test with. So you CAN reprogram it, not sure what the dangers or results was but i dropped the dark for a base LCD and gear. But it was reprogrammed.

[pure_dark_energy]

on the side of my dark angel, i have a bushy that ive doen quite a few nice upgrades to such as bolt, chaos chip, and a sonic grip frame. THat thing is freaking un-godly. THe chip is a semi-only chip. I can put that thing on any rof setting and so easily pull the trigger half way and it will sweet-spot to that rof setting, im almost scarred to play with it in a tournament, which why would i since i have a angel

[team homicide]

i did this mod to my gun and ive been messing non stop with the trigger and i still havent been able to get the bounce but then when i go to shut the air off, on my on/off and the pressure goes real low like about to be empty it ripps like full auto why is that and what do i need to do to get it to shoot like that at operating pressures????