Pressure

[Angel Dynasty]

I have a question. I have an angel speed. I sent my gun in 2 have parts installed, the guy i had originally work on it, apparently took out some parts. But any ways, they reset my lpr. I have a low pressure tank, and they used a high pressure or a differ low pressure tank. My gun has a strong kick and shoots like crap at low velocity and high velocity. Wat should i do?????????:lost:

[Luzrd]

take it back, and have them fix it
or better yet, send it to one of the sponsors

[ezrunner]

A good tech can set it, there are many tech centers represented here and a few others that aren't. Any of the real tech centers can set it.

Ask for the 70psi / 11 ms setting.

-rob

[tyronne]

its just proberly in your setup try setting your Dwell down

[Angel Dynasty]

Yea wat about the dwell. Like the guy set it 2 550psi i think for my lpr and my tank only gives 450psi. So like how would the dwell change things? my mom doesnt want to spend any more money and shes quite pissed and there arnt any good techs round where i live. Is there anything else i can do?

[ezrunner]

ok,do you not have the angel tool kit? if not that isn't a huge issue.

You may have the lpr set to 82psi if he set it back to stock. Without seeing it I can't say for sure.

Quick setup....

Turn your minireg down to zero (Screw all the way in).

Then over a chrono start raising it till you get to 300 fps.

Now start lowering your dwell. The first setting I'd try is 3 green dots (10ms). If you shoot fast and get drop off, or if your velocity goes way down, bump up one.

You should be fine with 3 green and 1 yellow light for dwell. That will quiet down the gun and help with the recoil some.

The LPR does need lowering but it should work fine with that setting.

Remember, start with the minireg at zero to set your velocity.

-rob

[Angel Dynasty]

Ok thanks alot also, will it damage my gun with the lpr set like that?
and will i be able to shoot as fast as i was?
And is there a guage that can determine ur lpr inside ur gun?
If so, how do i change it?
thx a lot

[ezrunner]

In the Angel Toolkit there is an LPR gauge. It threads in where the cap in front of the LPR goes.

You adjust the LPR pressure by adding or removing shims under the piston spring stack. There are several washers in there (have your manual handy and watch the orientation of these washers).

Your washers could be misaligned and your buddy may have mis-assembled your marker.

Check for proper setup of the LPR spring stack, 4 washers, the first one goes on the piston with the flat side down to the piston top. Then you reverse the next one, then the 3rd one goes on with the flat matching the flat of the 2nd one, the the 4th goes on with the bump down, sitting on the bump of the #3 washer.

If the LPR is too high you can damage your valve stem, valve stem guide (valve body), and hammer/ram assembly.

-rob

[Angel Dynasty]

Thx just a few more q's my Tank output is 450psi and my LPR im almost sure its 550psi. Do u kno how many shims i have 2 remove.?

[RaistlinsLegacy]

umm i dont think your LPR preassure is 550 psi, just take one out try it out if it didnt fix it then take another out and so on, you are in cinci do you know where fungunz is? if you do i can help you out

[ezrunner]

If your LPR is set at 55psi, then your dwell is probably at 14 - 17 ms and your gun will be loud. As far as the recoil, not real sure, that could be an issue of your operating pressure being too high.

I use the least amount and pressure of air at 70psi / 11ms. You could go up with either and that would mean the valve flows more so you can use a lower operating pressure. (ie minireg output).

Ken Crane reccomends 70psi / 12ms and some people say 75/11 so try in that neighborhood for sure. If you have 55psi lpr, add one shim and drop your dwell till you get shoot down, then bump it back up one.

-rob

[PrettyPistol]

no, he is saying his LPR is at 550..... lol

learn how to tune your gun.... why buy a gun and not learn how it works? do you even know where your LPR is? where teh Valve is?

GET THE ANGEL TOOLKIT!! it is worth its weight in gold!!

[Luzrd]

Originally posted by PrettyPistol


GET THE ANGEL TOOLKIT!! it is worth its weight in gold!!

absolutley!! with the manual ,the tool kit, and this forum
im confident i can do anything with my SPEED!

[Angel Dynasty]

for the record fun gunz sux they actually took out parts from my gun. HE ASkED ME HOW 2 SPELL ANGEL. he spelled it ANGLE...lol. thx guys

[Angel Dynasty]

and also do u think MASON PAINTBALL COULD HELP?!!! I kno where u can change the lpr, i kno everyting about my gun its just i thought there was a mechanism u needed to determine ur lpr! like im not positive my lpr is 550 but the volumizer makes it drop dramatically. So they messed with it. so i dont really kno but thanx alot for ur help!
later

[Luzrd]

lpr pressure is usually between 50 and 85 not 550.
the gauge to test the lpr pressure comes with the toolkit ($50-$60)
im not sure but i really dont think the volumizer drops the lpr pressure

[ezrunner]

Regs in your gun and the air path:

The air in your tank starts out at 4500psi (and down as you play of course)

Then the air goes out the reg on the tank and should be in the 350 - 600 psi range as it leaves your tank into the macro line or hose going to the gun.

This air goes into the minireg (inline regulator on the foregrip of the angel) and the Minireg sends it into the gun at 160 - 220 psi.

The LPR brings the pressure down from the range of (160/220) down into the range of (55 - 85 psi). So your LPR has an input of about 180 psi and an output of about 70psi if your gun is setup properly.

The air from the LPR is routed by your solenoid to operate the RAM which is attached to the hammer. The hammer is what you can see under your breech block when it is open. The hammer hits your valve to open it. The DWELL setting is how long the hammer is forward keeping the valve open.

That's a short breakdown of how your gun operates and the usualy air pressure ranges inside your gun.

-rob