View Full Version : what is the angel force 4 ?
KEN CRANE
11-11-2003, 02:46 PM
what is the angel force 4 ?
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the angel force 4 is a custom gun produced by wdp for the wdp master techs involved in angelforce.tv project.
who designed the angel force 4?
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the wdp master techs that worked on this project submitted their ideas to the design team at wdp and were able to choose from those designs.the design that was chosen was determined by a vote on the milling pattern we all agreed on.
are their any performance advantages to the angel force 4 ?
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yes there is.the wdp master techs working on this project cannot make the design any better than it is,what we do is adjust and tune the gun for the ultimate performance without compromising reliability.each gun will be removed from the box,tuned to the customers style of play,type of air system and feed system.remember some play in the woods,some play in tourneys.each customer is different in how they play.the wdp master techs are the best at setting up guns for all players alike.
who can get custom guns manufactured by wdp ?
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wdp makes the decision who they produce a custom gun for its that simple.wdp put their faith in the wdp master techs. with this project.and we as wdp master techs.wont let wdp down.we all feel that wdp puts 100 % into every thing they do.why wouldnt we?simple as that.
how many angel 4 forces will be produced ?
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the first batch of guns totaled 150.we will all have them by the close of buisness on friday 11/14/2003
what colors are the angel force 4 being made in ?
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burnt orange gun metal grey and ice blue
who will be selling the angel force 4?
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the angelforce.tv team have chosen the following locations for the distribution of the Force 4 (European Distribution is in the works)
www.fixmyangel.com robert moon
www.performanceangel.com ken crane
www.angelparts.com eric bratten, sean bratten, josh meehan
www.badlandspaintball.com trevor moss
www.impactpaintball.com mark costa
www.mospaintball.com ron vogel
www.angelservicecenter.com russ Urasaki
why should somone buy a angel force 4?
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the force 4 is by far the coolest looking gun on the market.this is not my personal view but a view of the paintball community.we polled hundreds of players before this project started for ideas.
the force 4 has the best support in the industry HANDS DOWN !.wdp has put all of its efforts into building the best support system with the wdp master techs.when others say thats an extra we use the term included.
for any more questions please feel free to use this thread for comments or any questions and we will answer them as quickly as possible.
FoRCE Angel
11-11-2003, 03:23 PM
Have you seen the full body of the Burnt Orange from the side, if so do you have a pic you could post.
Marfless
11-11-2003, 03:48 PM
Do the above locations also ship to The Netherlands? (because I Live there)
Marfless
VASHtheSTAMPEDE
11-11-2003, 04:07 PM
What's the "big secret" with the Force 4 that everyone seems to be trying to hide?
warpedx
11-11-2003, 04:17 PM
Its a custom milled version of the 4, that the Master techs put out, and back with a lifetime warranty. I'm not sure what you're talking about?
KEN CRANE
11-11-2003, 05:06 PM
yes we will ship anywhere we can get thru customs.we can discuss shipping.
what big secret? ineeded to clarify some info from the dis-information highway.that was the reason for my post.
i have a orange gun at home with me.i will photo it and post it here tonight when i get home.
tok3n
11-11-2003, 05:18 PM
I think he means "big secret" as in any special adjustments to the marker such as any new performance enhancements besides personalized tunining of the marker.
Terry Arnett
11-11-2003, 05:29 PM
It's great to see innovation, and WDP, hats off, your new look, clothing line etc. are 1st class but am I missing something with the new Force 4? I am an owner of a Black Dust Speed/3Sum/Air combination that is trully awesome. WDP removes all the Techno wizard stuff in the spaceframe associated with the IR3, and all those superlative changes internally, makes the Speed the lightest, fastest, best looking Angel in history, that really rocks, comes out a month or two after the launch of the Angel 4 with Force 4 and both these markers have added back in the info wizardry, a few new cuts and a new name Force 4 ...4 What? Besides marketing another marker, I need proof it's any better, faster, more accurate, more dependable, more innovative, whatever, than the Speed?
FoRCE Angel
11-11-2003, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by KEN CRANE
yes we will ship anywhere we can get thru customs.we can discuss shipping.
what big secret? ineeded to clarify some info from the dis-information highway.that was the reason for my post.
i have a orange gun at home with me.i will photo it and post it here tonight when i get home.
Thx alot, I think that the orange one looks the best.
DrKillJoY
11-11-2003, 05:41 PM
He's a master tech
Emmit
11-11-2003, 05:54 PM
Terry....there was a lot more time between the Speed and the 4 than a couple of months, but that's all semantics.
Is the 4 a better marker? That's for you to decide. They added all the bells and whistles back in because there were some people that wanted them. Additionally the marker is shorter, and lighter than the Speed or the IR3 ever was.
The Force is simply a custom version of this....think Warped Sportz and their Dark Series, or Cobra and their custom series. Internally there are no variances, simply just milling and colors etc.
Kdog-13
11-11-2003, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by KEN CRANE
are their any performance advantages to the angel force 4 ?
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yes their is.the wdp master techs cannot make the design any better than it is,what we do is adjust and tune the gun for the ultimate performance without compromising reliability.each gun will be removed from the box,tuned to the customers style of play,type of air system and feed system.remember some play in the woods,some play in tourneys.each customer is different in how they play.the wdp master techs are the best at setting up guns for all players alike.
Originally posted by Emmit
The Force is simply a custom version of this....think Warped Sportz and their Dark Series, or Cobra and their custom series. Internally there are no variances, simply just milling and colors etc.
Okay so the answer is actually no?!?!
The master techs could tune any A4 so the advantage is in the tuning not in the force 4 itself.
C.Carles-AOG
11-11-2003, 09:50 PM
I thought there were differences? Even if not, the warranty more than makes up for the price.
DrKillJoY
11-11-2003, 09:56 PM
The a4's and force 4's both come with lifetime warrenties right?
C.Carles-AOG
11-11-2003, 10:49 PM
I believe that only applies if you buy from the Sponsors.
cky17
11-12-2003, 03:52 AM
yes the lifetime warrenty comes when you buy from a sponsor. if you buy a speed, 4, or force 4, it will have a lifetime warrenty on that marker....
Emmit
11-12-2003, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by Kdog-13
Okay so the answer is actually no?!?!
The master techs could tune any A4 so the advantage is in the tuning not in the force 4 itself.
Again...there are no differences internally on the marker, Ken even says so. The techs simply tune the marker for it's peak performance for your style of play as he pointed out.
Hmmm, hope them pics are coming up soon :)
KEN CRANE
11-12-2003, 10:51 AM
sorry i fell asleap at the compter last night.i brought my camera to work today to take the pics.again sorry.....
DrKillJoY
11-12-2003, 01:14 PM
Hehe sweet Ken it's ok if you accidentally get some of those new things in the shots on "accident" ;) j/k
>>I thought there were differences? Even if not, the warranty more than makes up for the price. >>
I have a lifetime parts and labor warrenty on my speed, and got it brand new for $930.
KEN CRANE
11-12-2003, 09:04 PM
sorry for the quality
KEN CRANE
11-12-2003, 09:06 PM
2
KEN CRANE
11-12-2003, 09:08 PM
3
KEN CRANE
11-12-2003, 09:10 PM
4
KEN CRANE
11-12-2003, 09:16 PM
5
C.Carles-AOG
11-12-2003, 11:57 PM
The marker had me from the get-go, the backplate's are starting to grow on me.
KEN CRANE
11-13-2003, 10:12 AM
thats marfless gun pictured being set up to head to the netherlands!!!
VASHtheSTAMPEDE
11-13-2003, 02:21 PM
Those look so beautiful. I'd grab one in a second if I didn't need the extra money for a tank. :sad:
Marfless
11-13-2003, 02:45 PM
:clap: Thanx Ken...
It is a beauty....:drools:
Marfless
C.Carles-AOG
11-13-2003, 02:51 PM
Congrats Marfless!
Marfless
11-13-2003, 02:53 PM
Thanx....
cant wait to shoot it....
Marfless
Emmit
11-13-2003, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by C.Carles-AOG
The marker had me from the get-go, the backplate's are starting to grow on me.
I like the backplates....I want one for my 4:smile:
Marfless
11-13-2003, 03:02 PM
Yeah... the backplates are real awsome...
Marfless
KEN CRANE
11-13-2003, 03:51 PM
right now we only have enough for the guns but maybe....in the near future?
KEN CRANE
11-13-2003, 03:53 PM
carlos, i never put 2&2 together in miami when we were talking.i am terrible with faces and names.no disrespect if it seemed as if i was distant.
FoRCE Angel
11-13-2003, 06:43 PM
Ahhh I just cant decide whether to get the blue or the tangerine. The tangerine looks so bad azz but its a little flashy on the field if ya know what I mean
dr.strangelove
11-13-2003, 09:05 PM
So when will the next batch be available, and how many will be available to buy? I heard rumour of mid January.
C.Carles-AOG
11-13-2003, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by KEN CRANE
carlos, i never put 2&2 together in miami when we were talking.i am terrible with faces and names.no disrespect if it seemed as if i was distant.
It's cool man, I did my job and distributed the WDPService cards around and asked Owen to let me put them in the WDP tent, which he did. I helped in my own way, that's all that matters to me. :nerd:
Thanks for everything!
Carlos.
BlueAngel
11-14-2003, 11:56 PM
Hey ken, those Pics of my blue force 4 hardly do it justice.I going to be battle testing it for the first time tommorow.
Looks like after Christmas I will be getting back into paintball.
I spoke to Sert on friday to ask him what your last name was to be sure it was you.... He said you had just left the store. I told him I had seen your posting and was gonna post one at ya!
:piss2:Later
C.Carles-AOG
11-17-2003, 04:42 PM
Cool man, email me when you're going to play out at RNT so we can hook up. Let's take it to PM's or email so we don't clutter the thread. ;-)
Emmit
11-17-2003, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by C.Carles-AOG
Let's take it to PM's or email so we don't clutter the thread. ;-)
little late for that ain't it:smile::thefinger
C.Carles-AOG
11-17-2003, 08:28 PM
I cleaned it up biznatch! :talktohan :moon: :thefinger :hititraw:
duty bandit
11-18-2003, 09:11 PM
i just bought one of the first run blue ice force 4 angels, and let me tell you guys, coming from a blue dark 99 lcd, (sadly stolen two weeks ago), this is the most impresive gun that i've ever shot in my life. at the world cup this year, i made it a point to shoot every "new" gun that i could get my hands on, and the A4, just fell right into my hands, if you know what i mean when i say that....the accuracy, air efficiency, flat shooting, and raw dog speed this gun has, amazing. definately worth the money. and yes right out of the box, strapped a 68ci max-flo, mid range volumizer, little turn on the chrony wrench, and i got about 1300 shots on the tank, and not one ball break all day long. very user freindly, took me a quick run through of the manual to get the little stuff worked out, but if you already own an angel, then this is no problem. all in all, this gun is the best on the market, long live the angel, and long live WDP!!!!
jay lane
captain team citadel, duty bandits
!*420*!
Give me a break! The one that gets me is wdp chooses who gets the custom guns . Very bad marketing. Why cant the everyday joe buy one.It almosts sounds like if you dont have one then you have a gun thats second best so I guess I should sell mine because I cant get those speicil ones , you know the one that has the honing device in it.
Emmit
11-18-2003, 09:44 PM
yes Bill WDP chooses who get's to have a Custom Angel. Not as in they choose what customer buys them, but they choose who gets them. If they don't want Warped to have one Warped doesn't get one. If they don't want Cobra to have one then Cobra doesn't have one. They have that option since they make and market the marker.
Emmit
11-19-2003, 07:47 AM
Kdog...that's not what I was trying to imply. We know that apparently Cobra is coming out with one. What I'm saying is that if WDP said "No" to Cobra then Cobra would not be getting a custom version of the 4. Plain and simple WDP makes the final decision on who gets a custom version of any marker they make.
Kdog-13
11-19-2003, 11:13 AM
Absolutely... I agree!
:evilgrin: :angel: :tongue:
VASHtheSTAMPEDE
11-19-2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Kdog-13
By the way since TAG isn't in the force 4 group will he be getting a custom gun?
No.
KEN CRANE
11-20-2003, 12:54 AM
where is all this hate coming from? bill i think you misunderstood what it says.wdp choses who they make a custom gun for, not who can buy it.
kdog, relax theres no hate for cobra here like is being assumed and perpetuated.
from now on maybe its better to use Fictitious names when refering to what ifs so no information will be misconstrude.
and no one has said that their wont be a cobra a4 or a warped a4.
bill i also edited my paragraph on who gets a custom gun to eliminate any further confusion.
wdp makes the decision who they produce a custom gun for its that simple.wdp put their faith in the wdp master techs. with this project.and we as wdp master techs.wont let wdp down.we all feel that wdp puts 100 % into every thing they do.why wouldnt we?simple as that.
Kdog-13
11-20-2003, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by KEN CRANE
kdog, relax theres no hate for cobra here like is being assumed and perpetuated.
I'm cool, I must have read that post late at night after a long day, sorry.
Paladin
11-20-2003, 07:49 PM
If the original 150 sell out will they produce more?
KEN CRANE
11-20-2003, 08:52 PM
the second batch is already scheduled for production :sshh: :sshh: :sshh: :sshh: :puzzled: :puzzled: :puzzled: :worthy: :drink: :clap: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
thog94
11-20-2003, 08:54 PM
Ken, same colors on the 2nd batch or are you going to do something different?
Paladin
11-21-2003, 12:56 AM
Thanks for the info Ken. You will see me with a burnt orange one in about a month or so :D
pbrob12
11-26-2003, 12:22 AM
ken, do you own a paintball field called proving grounds?
Kdog-13
11-26-2003, 12:41 AM
That is a different Ken.
xtreampaint114
03-07-2004, 11:44 PM
i want to here this from a master tech, will badlands toronto be getting a new batch of forces? reason im asking this is because i have herd a yes and a no. or am i asking the wrong person?
matthepepe
03-09-2004, 03:52 PM
i want to here this from a master tech, will badlands toronto be getting a new batch of forces? reason im asking this is because i have herd a yes and a no. or am i asking the wrong person?
It should be the same master techs that received them before.
Badlands Inc
03-09-2004, 09:27 PM
i want to here this from a master tech, will badlands toronto be getting a new batch of forces? reason im asking this is because i have herd a yes and a no. or am i asking the wrong person?
Yes, Trevor, the Master Tech from Badlands is assuring you that all the Badlands locations will have the new Forces as soon as they are available.
ForceOfNature
03-11-2004, 04:49 AM
Hi all nice to join everyone on this great site. I do not own a force yet and I came on here to see what all the fuss was about. Now that I have nosed around here for a couple of days let me just say that my order will be comming soon. I was reading earlier and it seemed that some people were concerned about the upgrades to the gun but let me just say that it is very obvious that everyone involved with this marker seems to be very passionate and that is enough for to buy this gun. Where can you go and get this kind of personal service. GOOD JOB Ken and everyone involved keep up the GOOD WORD
Peace,
Jouster
03-11-2004, 08:36 AM
Hi all nice to join everyone on this great site. I do not own a force yet and I came on here to see what all the fuss was about. Now that I have nosed around here for a couple of days let me just say that my order will be comming soon. I was reading earlier and it seemed that some people were concerned about the upgrades to the gun but let me just say that it is very obvious that everyone involved with this marker seems to be very passionate and that is enough for to buy this gun. Where can you go and get this kind of personal service. GOOD JOB Ken and everyone involved keep up the GOOD WORD
Peace,
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What's with the handbasket? And where are you taking me? Help, someone, help!
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ForceOfNature
03-11-2004, 05:21 PM
If you leave your address Dude you can expect some girls soon. I liker to call her Bertha, 5'2 272lbs Blond, Blue eyes and a good personality
Welcome to the family. Dues are $500 a month, payable to me in cash, check, or suitably-cute femalez.
What's with the handbasket? And where are you taking me? Help, someone, help!
Jouster
Jouster
03-11-2004, 07:14 PM
If you leave your address Dude you can expect some girls soon. I liker to call her Bertha, 5'2 272lbs Blond, Blue eyes and a good personality
Mmmm, personality.... (http://www.snpp.com/guides/mmmm.html)
Jouster
dynastySSS
03-14-2004, 11:44 PM
haha
hgroberts
09-29-2006, 04:29 PM
does this need to be a sticky
Carapace
09-30-2006, 09:49 AM
I want a force 4 so bad but i can't afford one :|
anyone want a retarted up'd impact ir3 for trade for a BO Force 4?
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