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morant

11-08-2003, 01:00 AM

i thought it was pretty good in a "cool to watch" kinda way but i must admitt being a little disapointed w/ the ending.
no finality to it....like what happens now?
they left a bunch of loose ends and questions w/out answers but all in all i enjoyed it.

on the deeper more philosofical level there is entirely too much to type about.....mostly just a little disapointed w/ a few unexplained unanswred questions.

on the more shallow, less brainpowered level....Persephone has some great tits.

and those who designed the hovercrafts should look into putting a little less rebar directly behind the drivers seat :)

Jedrith

11-08-2003, 01:54 AM

Absolutly loved it, but I think its too deep for some people, they misunderstand it's meaning.

Ricky

11-08-2003, 02:17 AM

i wanted some more slow motion bullet time, which there was none of.

morant

11-08-2003, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Ricky
i wanted some more slow motion bullet time, which there was none of.

the fist cutting throught the rain was pretty killer though

MoogLe

11-08-2003, 12:20 PM

dont get me wrong it was a good movie but i donno, there was too much talking and too little action,

and look at all the advertisements, they kept hyping the part about neo being stuck between worlds, and look at the movie, he was stuck there for 10 minutes and did absolutely nothing important...

i think they will probably make another animatrix to explain some more stuff

JTp8ntballer12

11-08-2003, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Ricky
i wanted some more slow motion bullet time, which there was none of.

exactly. they only showed the matrix for like 20 min through the whole movie, the rest was talk about the sentinals and stuff....the part where the captain died on that goliath thing was pretty cool tho.

i liked the first one
the second one was disapointing
and the third was a waste of time

boathouse

11-08-2003, 01:41 PM

I think I'm going to see it today so I'll let you guys know what I think. :)

JTp8ntballer12

11-08-2003, 01:46 PM

see texas chainsaw while your at it

Jedrith

11-08-2003, 03:39 PM

Jeez you people don't get it, this movie is not an action movie, it is a science fiction movie with neat special effects.

Ricky

11-08-2003, 03:39 PM

yea the slow motion fist through the rain was cool. i still liked it a lot. but they didnt use their trademark dodging bullets thing.

DarkHelmet931

11-08-2003, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by JTp8ntballer12
exactly. they only showed the matrix for like 20 min through the whole movie, the rest was talk about the sentinals and stuff

This matrix wasent supposed to be about the matrix. Its a progretion in the war between the humans and the machines. In Reloaded Neo made the choice to save trinity and not restart the matrix. untill now all the ppl that came before neo had choosen to restart the matrix. So now Revolutions is supposed to focus on the atempt by the machines to destroy the humans.

At the end of the movie as we know it there is now peace between man and machine.. the war is over. In the first matrix Neo is told that as "The One", he would be the person that ends the war, and he does.

I do think they could have been a little more creative about killing off trinity. Ive seen at least 4 or 5 ppl get impaled by rebar in the three movies.

Originally posted by Ricky
yea the slow motion fist through the rain was cool. i still liked it a lot. but they didnt use their trademark dodging bullets thing.

As far as doging bullets, the movie has progressed passed bullets. Bullets in this movie are usless. they cant hurt Neo, and they cant hurt Simth.

Jedrith

11-08-2003, 05:48 PM

Finally someone that gets it.

Vanilla Bloke

11-08-2003, 05:51 PM

i loved the original, but was sorely dissapointed by the last two. both had some poorly done CGI effects this can be seen during the Smit/Neo fight, where facial and body hair seem to missing. this movie just dosnt fit what its suppossed too. its said to be a thoughtful movie, with lots of talking and enlightenment, which, sadly, did not really happen. i have some more reasons to gripe about this movie, but i got better things to do.

JTp8ntballer12

11-08-2003, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Jedrith
Jeez you people don't get it, this movie is not an action movie, it is a science fiction movie with neat special effects.

without good fighting its not a good science fiction movie...

VASHtheSTAMPEDE

11-10-2003, 08:55 PM

The first two were the best movies ever. I felt they slacked off in the 3rd. Some BS answers that contradict what was said in the first two. I hated how they changed the Orracle, and that also has an answer that sucked. Overall, not bad though, just dissapointing. I also hated the ending, with nothing explained just as if there would be another movie, but I doubt there will be. Another point, like Vanilla Broke mentioned, they didn't get detailed and technical and thoughtful like in the last two. It was just all action, like any other movie.

edit: 1 more thing, why doesn't Neo jump into peoples' bodies like he did in the ending of the first movie?

MoogLe

11-10-2003, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by VASHtheSTAMPEDE
I hated how they changed the Orracle, and that also has an answer that sucked.

edit: 1 more thing, why doesn't Neo jump into peoples' bodies like he did in the ending of the first movie?

the oracle was already different in the second one, i donno i was thinking maybe they couldnt get the same person that did the first movie for some reason or another and just edited the script for it, i dont even understand what they explain in the movie about her changing

and who's body would he jump into? smith took over everyone left in the matrix and smith is even more powerfull than neo so he probably wasnt able to do it

morant

11-11-2003, 12:45 AM

the oracle was the same lady in the first two....she was new in the game and in revolutions....there was a plausable explination as to why(explained best in the game)

in real life the oracle from 1 & 2 died before they could film the third

JTp8ntballer12

11-11-2003, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by MoogLe

smith is even more powerfull than neo

correct me if im wrong but isnt neo the positive equation and smith in the negative, and when added together they form 0, killing the matrix... i ono tho

VASHtheSTAMPEDE

11-11-2003, 12:15 PM

I have no clue, the ending kind of made 0 sense. Smith copies himself onto Neo, and they all blow up, and the Orracle comes back? What is the significance of the Indian girl? What do they mean they will see Neo again?

JTp8ntballer12

11-11-2003, 01:01 PM

it means there are more questions to be answerd

MoogLe

11-11-2003, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by morant
the oracle was the same lady in the first two....she was new in the game and in revolutions....there was a plausable explination as to why(explained best in the game)

in real life the oracle from 1 & 2 died before they could film the third

oh yeah you are right, and about the woman dying yea i thought that might be a possibility

Originally posted by VASHtheSTAMPEDE
I have no clue, the ending kind of made 0 sense. Smith copies himself onto Neo, and they all blow up, and the Orracle comes back? What is the significance of the Indian girl? What do they mean they will see Neo again?

the reason for that is, neo turns into smith and neo is hooked up to the mainfraim, so then when neo is turned into smith, the mainfraim can delete the smith virus, and the orracle reappears because she was a file infected with the smith virus so when smith is gone, she is back to normal

i have no idea what the indian girl represents

there is a new game that will be released next year, the matrix online, i'm thinking they will also probably release another animatrix

Jedrith

11-11-2003, 07:00 PM

The matrix was rebooted, thats why it went back to normal, thats why sereph, oracle, and the girl were there. You guys were also talking about seeing neo again, they mean the matrix will pick someone to be neo again, even though there is no war, thats how it works, only 1% of the people plugged in can be freed, that flaw is what makes the matrix work. If you don't get it, go watch "reloaded" again, the scene with the architect.

Kmrt311

11-12-2003, 08:18 AM

there are ome advantages and disadvantages that are dissappointing. ever since reloaded, all that damn flying around. well they drug out and blew the flying out of proportion. kind of a let down:angry: also the big robots were like knd of corney but since it fits in with the movie at some point its cool. and the good parts were the fighting.:fence: hand on hand combat. the gun fighting scenes were cool. :blasting: too much hanging from the ceiling tho. kinda dissapointing but overall pretty kicka$$ movie
Adi0s!

mayhams clint

11-12-2003, 12:54 PM

how can the war be over? the humans would still be tweeked that the machines are using them as batteries. too much left unsaid another halfhour would have been too drawn out though so i call for another animatrix.... or video game either one thatl explain it

JTp8ntballer12

11-12-2003, 07:48 PM

WOW i just found out who the indian girl is!!!
is 'enter the matrix' a good game?

morant

11-12-2003, 08:24 PM

enter the matrix was a fun game and some pretty cool side story stuff as well.

not the hardest game i ever played though...

Jedrith

11-12-2003, 09:08 PM

The trainman is in it too...

morant

11-12-2003, 09:58 PM

yes he is...
he's bout an ugly mo fo

they could have explained the train station a little more in imo....along w/ other things

MoogLe

11-12-2003, 10:44 PM

enter the matrix is pretty cool, i liked it, but it wasnt good enough for me to warrant beating it with each character

but it's definately good, IMO

and who is the indian girl

JTp8ntballer12

11-13-2003, 03:44 AM

she is the next savior!!!

is there alot of fighting in ETM?

morant

11-13-2003, 04:22 AM

no she's not...she's not human.

ETM is damn near all fighting.

MoogLe

11-13-2003, 12:14 PM

yea the little girl was a program... i dont even think she was a usefull program which is why they were at the trainstation, they went to talk with the french vampire to cinvince him not to delete her or something

and yea there's allota fighting and gun battles in ETM

JTp8ntballer12

11-14-2003, 10:20 AM

she isnt human bcause in the next rum og the matrix having a human as "the one" would be imposible

they taked to the devil to get neo out didnt they, it had nothing to do with the indian girl

warpedx

11-14-2003, 03:44 PM

The little girl was saved by the frenchman, who assigned her the task of controlling the sun. ( remember the end where she "did it for neo"?)
The Orracle saying that Smith was the result of the matrix balancing out Neo. Balance is the key, what makes everything work together, which is what the Architect's job is. When Neo let Smith absorb him, the equation was one sided. To balance it out, Smith had to go.

VASHtheSTAMPEDE

11-14-2003, 03:59 PM

Ahh, thanks warped.

JTp8ntballer12

11-14-2003, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by warpedx
The little girl was saved by the frenchman, who assigned her the task of controlling the sun. ( remember the end where she "did it for neo"?)
The Orracle saying that Smith was the result of the matrix balancing out Neo. Balance is the key, what makes everything work together, which is what the Architect's job is. When Neo let Smith absorb him, the equation was one sided. To balance it out, Smith had to go.

so your not just smart about angels...

warpedx

11-15-2003, 09:48 AM

lol, that was typed when I was tired and philosphical. I assure you, I'm naturally quite retarded. :)

MoogLe

11-15-2003, 11:47 AM

i think what i said about the mainframe being able to delete neo/smith makes more sense though, which is why they all exploded, if it was as simple as you say warped,

they could have just killed neo and smith would automatically die, so i dont think it went that way

morant

11-15-2003, 12:01 PM

but if it went your way moogle then why did they even fight?

i'm not negating anybodies theories...........just pointing out that reasons like this are the weak point of the movie in general. it was the end, the last of the trilogy....they could have given us a little more in the way of answers. it was fun to theorize at the end of reloaded, it was part of the beauty of the movie, however at the end of revolutions we shouldn't have to guess at what the hell happend.....and that's all any of us have is guesses.....some of which are obviously more educated than others but none the less guesses.

JTp8ntballer12

11-15-2003, 12:38 PM

ive heard many versions of warped theory, it seems to be the correct one.

they would have to kill neo in the matrix for the plan to work tho..

DRAGONPHX3

11-15-2003, 02:08 PM

is there an forums on the Matrix movie?

JTp8ntballer12

11-15-2003, 03:05 PM

yea...

matrixowner.com

i dont know the real one sorry...do a google search and there are like 20

VASHtheSTAMPEDE

11-15-2003, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by MoogLe
i think what i said about the mainframe being able to delete neo/smith makes more sense though, which is why they all exploded, if it was as simple as you say warped,

they could have just killed neo and smith would automatically die, so i dont think it went that way

Smith copied himself onto what appeared to be millions of plugged in people. Why couldn't they delete Smith through them instead of Neo. I also have another question. Why didn't the other programs, like the Agents, that Smith copied himself over come back like the Orracle?

JTp8ntballer12

11-15-2003, 08:44 PM

cus the orracle is special

OR

they did and just didnt show it

morant

11-16-2003, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by VASHtheSTAMPEDE
Why didn't the other programs, like the Agents, that Smith copied himself over come back like the Orracle?

i don't guess we really know if they did or not.

JTp8ntballer12

11-16-2003, 02:44 PM

huh?

MoogLe

11-17-2003, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by VASHtheSTAMPEDE
Smith copied himself onto what appeared to be millions of plugged in people. Why couldn't they delete Smith through them instead of Neo. I also have another question. Why didn't the other programs, like the Agents, that Smith copied himself over come back like the Orracle?

1. well i dont know, i think like said before, neo also has to die to complete the equation, so if they just deleted smith they would still have a problem

2. who says they didnt, the oracle was just there at the time and they showed her

warpedx

11-17-2003, 04:43 AM

Ne was to powerfull to kill, as was smith. Quoting neo "the program smith has grown beyond your control" They would have to shut donw the matrix to get rid of him, hence losing their entire power source. We only saw the orracle scome back from being a smith, nobody else was shown dead or alicve. But when Agents were kiled after "possessing"" peopllleees , the people returned to their original form. (if i were an agent, i wopuld be taking ofver kids and crap, just to inspre guilt trips). I need to wathc the mnovie agaijn, to see why neo sees light at the end, ad wh y the power of the "pone" estends beytongd the matrix.. And btw the IMAX sucks. Take a sqaue screen and cut off the top and bottom tho display a regular image and you have anormal movie scree. Should paid 7 instead of 15. anyways, watch it, and let me know what you think about th relal worl, because I gotta watch it again to make total sense of it.

Jedrith

11-17-2003, 01:24 PM

just go download it...I have a decent copy It looks good, but the sound it a little wierd, like its mono not stereo

VASHtheSTAMPEDE

11-17-2003, 07:03 PM

If they shut down the matrix, they still would have their bodies in the fields giving them energy. Afterall, the matrix is just a "prison for your mind," right? I know the IMAX isn't that much better, but $8 really isn't a big deal.

warpedx

11-17-2003, 08:54 PM

$4 equals 2 Beers!!! The Matrix keeps the mind busy so the body will just lie there and be a battery. Otherwise, people would be waking up and trying to get out of that pink crap.

MoogLe

11-17-2003, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by VASHtheSTAMPEDE
If they shut down the matrix, they still would have their bodies in the fields giving them energy. Afterall, the matrix is just a "prison for your mind," right? I know the IMAX isn't that much better, but $8 really isn't a big deal.

Originally posted by warpedx
$4 equals 2 Beers!!! The Matrix keeps the mind busy so the body will just lie there and be a battery. Otherwise, people would be waking up and trying to get out of that pink crap.

yea, if they shut it down everyone would wake up and they lose all their power

warpedx

11-18-2003, 09:18 AM

Wierd thing is how the architect says that all those still in the matrix will be released. Gonna be interesting putting the entire human population back on the planet, and guess the machines will have to go back to solar energy.

morant

11-18-2003, 11:55 AM

he didn't say they would release them all....
only the ones who wanted to be free.
presumably speaking of the 1%

to release the whole human population would be a far cry from a happy ending.

warpedx

11-18-2003, 04:42 PM

ah, didn't catch that. I have to see this movie again to break everything down.

japan

11-18-2003, 05:24 PM

the first thing you have to get is that well "quoted", neo had to die for agent smith to be deleted, hence forth neo also dying. for all of you that didn't get that part about it all leading back to the source my best explanation for that would be that since neo was part of the matrix he will always be some way connected, and since he is he is connected to all the machines. one reason why he sees them when he's blind, and to can like kill them. and for the ending the entire cycle will happen agian. there will be another matrix another war and another "neo and smith". thats why at the end the acriteched asked how long do you think this peace will last. it might have happpened before and it will happen agian. thats were you piece the 2nd and 3rd movie together .

MoogLe

11-18-2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by morant
he didn't say they would release them all....
only the ones who wanted to be free.
presumably speaking of the 1%

to release the whole human population would be a far cry from a happy ending.

the part i dont quite understand is, what is the point of starting the was if not all the humans will be released anyway, they will still be kept in a translike state in the matrix and the way i see it, still used as batteries, i mean how are they gonna clear up those skies anytime soon

VASHtheSTAMPEDE

11-18-2003, 09:38 PM

In Reloaded, the architect said that if he saved Trinity, the species would die out. He also said if he chose to enter the source, he could restart Xion with 17 (I think 17?) people. Neither happened in this version of the Matrix, so I don't think there will be another version. That is the peace that he's talking about. The machines still can't survive on solar power because the clouds still block it out. Also, morant, what %1 are you talking about?

warpedx

11-20-2003, 09:09 AM

In the first matrix, when Morpheus has Neo in the training program with the "woman in the red dress," he explains how not everyone is ready to wake up, and some will embrace the matrix rather than face reality. Remember when Neo first meets Morpheus? "Have you ever had a dream so real, you didn't know if you were asleep or awake? What if you never woke up? How would you tell that world from the dream world?"

VASHtheSTAMPEDE

11-20-2003, 01:14 PM

Yes, I remember that... ?

warpedx

11-20-2003, 01:35 PM

lol, i had to watch the movie again to see that. it's in the scene where Neo takes the red pill. Watch it, you'll see what I mean.

VASHtheSTAMPEDE

11-20-2003, 04:15 PM

I remember it, I just don't get the point your trying to get at.

warpedx

11-20-2003, 07:55 PM

That only 1 percent of the people are ready to be released from the matrix, and Morpheus described them as having those feelings. Others will fight the truth, and not want to leave the matrix.

JTp8ntballer12

11-22-2003, 03:59 AM

1% is kinda alot. wasnt the girl in the red dress just a hot girl?

in the first one why didnt neo make the big jump? and the matrix IS our world right.... i just got madly lost

Jedrith

11-22-2003, 10:02 AM

1 % is the amount of people who could be unplugged, not saying they will, but they have the 'choice'. The girl in the red dress was just a simulation, that anyone already plugged into the matrix could be an agent. In the first movie neo didn't make the first jump, because he didn't believe he could do it, thats what inhibited him from doing so, quoting Morpheus, "Free your mind", and yes our world in a matter of speaking is the matrix, well the look and feel of it are, but how would you know if it really existed, for all we know there is some force controlling us right now as we speak.

warpedx

11-26-2003, 05:26 AM

OK, saw it again *takes breath:
The Oracle said "the power of the one extends beyond the matrix into the machine world. You are connected to the source, which is what you felt when you stopped those sentinels." After Neo is blinded, he sees everything that is part of the source as light, like Smith in the human body, and the machine city, etc... This is what connects him to the machines, and blows them up, and how he was in the train station without being "jacked in." When He is walking in the city, he stands out from the light, being a shadow through his eyes. After his fight with smith, his body becomes a part of the light, as he is now a part of the source.
Almost makes it seem as if Neo was program himself, just placed into a human body. When speaking to the Architect in Reloaded, he was told we was the buildup of an anomaly in the system, created from the people that would not accept the matrix. The one comes along, and makes the ultimate choice for mankind, which door to go through.
Every program must have a purpose, or they are exiles, like the keymaker. Perhaps Neo is an exile program, until he fullfils his purpose of going through the door, or in this incarnation of the one, by defeating the Smith program.
I think the matrix movies have a large emphasis on how everything has to work together. The counciler speaks a lot about this when he has neo with him on the engineering level in Reloaded. It has parts about humans becoming like machines (Tank called Neo a machine in the first movie, when he was learning al lthe fighting styles, and then the whole joining the source deal), and machines becoming like humans (the oracle believing in Neo, and the two "parent" programs neo met in the train station). In the end, machines and humans can not survive without each other.
*whew...