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KEN CRANE

10-31-2003, 10:25 PM

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Don't Blow Yourself Up

Oil and compressed air do not, and should not be mixed. Many people have taken to the practice of dropping paintgun oil into the fill nipple of their compressed air system, especially in the hopes of sealing a leaky fill nipple.

While this would not be a real problem using the inert gas nitrogen, most "nitrogen" systems in paintball are actually filled with compressed air. As air is compressed the amount of oxygen (as well as the other gasses in the air) is increased. Fire, also known as combustion, or an exothermic oxidation reaction requires three things to start: oxygen, fuel and heat. The temperature needed to start a particular fuel burning is known as that fuel's flash point. As the amount of oxygen a fuel is exposed to increases, the flash point drops. With some materials like phosphorus, the flash point is below room temperature, and they will catch fire when exposed to air.

There are many oils which are perfectly safe at room temperature and air pressure. However, when the oxygen content around them increases - as with air compressed into a paintgun's HPA tank, the flash point can lower to below the temperature of the fill air and cause the oil to ignite. This is the principle at work in the cylinders of a diesel engine.

In a recent telephone interview with WARPIG.com, Shawn Townsend of Compressed Air Specialties, Inc., a Bauer Compressor distributor in Southern California, related a warning against using oils in HPA tanks and the story of an accident that occurred at SC Village.

According to Townsend, a customer at the field experienced a leak in the fill nipple of his air system and treated it with a few drops of paintgun oil dropped into the nipple before taking his gear to the air fill station. The player started to fill his tank and dropped it, shouting. Townsend says he stepped over to investigate and smelled the after effects of a fire, and found the fill hose and fill nipple coated in a black film.

Townsend theorized that the fill nipple would have sprayed the oil into a mist, much like the fuel injector in an automobile engine, further increasing the surface area in contact with oxygen and lowering the flash point.

Townsend said that the resulting fire flashed through the tank and the hose. Fortunately the explosion was small, and did not create any shrapnel, so no one was injured. Townsend ended up taking the fill hose out of service, and recommended that the customer have the tank both visually inspected and hydrostatically tested by a DOT certified inspector before filling it again.

Paintball safety lies in the hands of the players. Do not put oil, or any other lubricants into your compressed air system's tank or fill nipple. No lubricants should be used on the regulator unless they are explicitly recommended by the manufacturer.

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KEN CRANE

10-31-2003, 10:34 PM

this just came up in my store when another store repaired a bottle by adding oil to the fill nipple.this is a scary situation for us that operate high pressure fill stations.PLEASE tell everyone about this article and remember how dangerous this practice is.

Bill

10-31-2003, 10:39 PM

Hi my name is bill my son and I just got into this. Today my sons tank was leaking every time it got below 1000 pounds brought it in and the guy said its fine now and he used a little oil . Talk to me

Emmit

10-31-2003, 10:41 PM

Bill this is bad..you do not want oil in your air tank. When air is forced into the tank it heats up, the compressed air heating up in addition to the fine mist of oil contained can cause a dieseling effect and cause serious problems. You do not want oil in your air tanks ever!

C]-[iLDe

10-31-2003, 10:51 PM

wow i thought this was common knowledge!

Emmit

10-31-2003, 10:52 PM

unfortunately it's not...you'll not the biline at the bottom is Bill Mills from Warpig. This article was front page of Warpig for a couple of months, and we even had it here for a while and talked about it. This is a very serious issue and nobody should be putting oil into their fill nipples ever.

acoenfam1

11-01-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Bill
Hi my name is bill my son and I just got into this. Today my sons tank was leaking every time it got below 1000 pounds brought it in and the guy said its fine now and he used a little oil . Talk to me

NEVER let this fool touch your stuff again!! I thought this was common knowledge as well but it's always a good idea to revisit topics like this every so often. If for nothing more than to spread the knowledge to new players or players new to using compressed air. Thanks Ken.

Do I hear any votes for a sticky????

cody11scrappy

11-01-2003, 02:10 PM

deffinately sticky this, id put it on every section too

RaistlinsLegacy

11-01-2003, 10:06 PM

LOL we had the same prob at the store...we had a kid come in and say that X sports...a local field...put oil in his tank...lol the shop owner acted like it was a viper ready to strike....poor poor deluded people....and i soooo wanted a little action that day,....i was waiting for it to go "BOOM"...nope was just another boring day reffing though....come to think of it our rival also puts cup seals in backwards...lol>=.......makes you wonder?

KEN CRANE

11-02-2003, 11:00 PM

maybe i just woke up grouchy but this thread wasnt made to laugh out loud about.and he should have acted like a viper about it.you were only reffing not filling or holding the bottle that would blow your guts all over the place.please dont reply to my post unless it is constructive not destructive.

dew_dew_boy

11-03-2003, 12:30 PM

At the last tourney I went to My MaxFlo was leaking air from the fill nipple. The guy filling air told me to drop some oil in it. I told him that I head it was bad to do that and it could blow up. He told me if I used Angel Love Juice it would be ok because that type of oil won’t affect it or something like that. I trusted him because he’s a well known player around here and put 2 drops of love juice in the fill nipple then he filled it. The leak was gone and I was still alive so I thought everything was ok.

Is this true about love juice? And am I still in danger when filling my tank? help

KEN CRANE

11-03-2003, 12:38 PM

ill confirm or advise you on that later,but i dont believe love juice has anti-deisel properties.so as it stands no oil is safe for air systems.we have special grease for air systems when we repair them.if i am mistaken i will let you know.

dan2013

11-03-2003, 12:51 PM

Is it bad to drop a few drops of oil into your Bottom Line before you screw your tank in?

Emmit

11-03-2003, 01:51 PM

dan...that's okay.....that's the recommended method for oiling your marker. The reason that is different is that it is not in a compressed environment where it can heat up and cause issues.

dan2013

11-03-2003, 03:34 PM

Thanks Emmit, I was worried about that and was not sure! :)

Turk01ss

11-04-2003, 08:29 AM

I've personally seen the effects of a small amount of fuel, a high oxygen content, and a little friction.

namely, i watched a guy step under a liquid oxygen purge valve while being doused with oxygen turning back into its gaseous state. After it was over, the conclusion was a small spot of grease on his boot and the friction from his walking across the concrete turned him into an instant fuel source. It wasn't pretty.

The key thing to remember is, when you increase one of the points on the fire triangle, it takes less of the other 2 for combustion. When you put a couple drops of flammable oil into a higher oxygen enviornment and then combine the temperature of the gas being compressed you lower the temp required for ignition significantly.

i thought it was common knowledge not to put oil in the nipple.

krispy

11-04-2003, 11:27 AM

I had a leaky tank so I took it to the techs at my field and they put a couple of drops of oil in the fill nipple. This fix the leak until the next time that I filled it. I found out that it was a broken oring. This was like two months ago. How long does it take to get the oil out?

KEN CRANE

11-04-2003, 12:54 PM

love juice has no anti deisel properties and will still flash.it is designed for lubrication of the gun only!

Turk01ss

11-04-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by krispy
I had a leaky tank so I took it to the techs at my field and they put a couple of drops of oil in the fill nipple. This fix the leak until the next time that I filled it. I found out that it was a broken oring. This was like two months ago. How long does it take to get the oil out?

you're prolly ok.. the biggest thing is having excess oil in the nipple, and then pressurizing o2 on top of it and getting the fine mist of oil when you unhook from the nipple. the mist makes more surface area and makes it that much easier to flash.. if its been a while, i wouldn't worry about it, because any fluid is prolly already beein sprayed out.

Blake Drinnen

11-07-2003, 07:58 PM

is it alright to put a couple drops off oil in like ur asa in ur botem line?

acoenfam1

11-07-2003, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Emmit
that's okay.....that's the recommended method for oiling your marker. The reason that is different is that it is not in a compressed environment where it can heat up and cause issues.

Like Emmit said...

RaistlinsLegacy

11-08-2003, 10:36 PM

yah youre supposed to it lubricates the internals...and it isnt under very high preassure...

speedhatchetman

11-10-2003, 12:38 AM

there is a wide varieties of synthetic greese that can be used to fix bad seals or rebuild regs on hpa tanks, i use a garenteed high temp high pressure greese used for rebuilding aceletine torch regs now this is at 3000 psi tanks but it applies to 4500 air as well, i will try to find the manufactor name but right now i use it at my job the company we order from did not have a consumer dep. for them but they got me the specs sheet and it will not cause a combustion of any sort its accualy flame and combustion retartent.

If you get in to the practice of rebuilding filler nipples you should try to look up some high pressure torch reg build kits most that are aceteline have a greese that is suitable to prevent such a fire.

you should use a greese anyhow to fix a seal not a thin oil, and pertroium rots ruber and some synthetic seals as well.

CMHPaintballer

11-11-2003, 09:00 AM

Ok...so here's a different question, but along the same lines...

I have a regulator that's on my tank that's on the fritz and the gun tech at a local shop suggested a couple drops of oil at the pin and NOT THE FILL NIPPLE. Is this still bad?

Also, how many times has this been reported as causing an explosion? I did take some gun oil and tried to light it and it didn't burn even with a direct flame burning on it. Yes, it's not in the same environment as it would be under pressure, and all the things above listed, but still, it didn't light up under direct contact from a flame.

Yes, it makes sense chemically and by the rules of combustion, but seems like a little drop or two like that seems harmless. I'm not about to test the theory though.

Just my initial thoughts...

CMHPaintballer

KEN CRANE

11-11-2003, 02:50 PM

i was discussing this with bud orr from wgp (autococker).bud is a safety nut as we are and he will be getting us info from the cga (compressed gas association.stay tunned

speedhatchetman

11-13-2003, 11:46 PM

it was just tested by me and i could not get alot of oils common to paintball guns to combust even spraying them at 4500 psi burst as well as 3000 and 3000 tanked and 4500 tanked this was done using a controled envirment powered by 6ks and got no flames using most all air tool oils compressor oils and greeses and most paint ball greese and oils i got one flame up and it was from air tool oil from a walmart however the more expensve brands weren't on hand to test. but the flame caused was not even enough to damage the hose it was more or less a flash fire.

If you use too much or to less it don't happen in fact it was a great deal of oil needed to make it soo.

if anyone can tell me the oil that had a fire i would like to check it

Emmit

11-14-2003, 07:51 AM

you guys are all forgetting one of the most important parts of this....it's the compression....spraying oil out of air tools, or pooling it on the table does nothing. Forcing it into a confined cylinder is where the problem occurs. Think of the piston on your cars engine.

speedhatchetman

11-15-2003, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by Emmit
you guys are all forgetting one of the most important parts of this....it's the compression....spraying oil out of air tools, or pooling it on the table does nothing. Forcing it into a confined cylinder is where the problem occurs. Think of the piston on your cars engine.

but like i said what i said about testing in tanks could not get a fire.

I tested all oils i could get at the time in both filling and spraying i only got one to do it and we don't even use it comonly.

however in a retest i used some extra O2 in the mix and it was about half went up. now i was forcing extra torch grade o2 in side the compressor like i was filling my 3k from my 6k pluss adding some air from a 6k. the compressor used is for making mix gasses used in torches.

I got the to flame only at an extra 15 percent o2 in the mix.

so not to dispel any rumors it should be a rare incident unless there is extra o2 in there bulk tanks, if they compress on site then probaly not. going to happen.

and just incase your wondering light oil used in your gun internals is not suitable for high pressure apps it will blow through like its designed to do. you need a thicker synthetic greese for regulators. it won't blow out like light oil and won't atomize (like in an injector).

If you have a leaky filler nipple, there is an easy fix. you take it off. and take it appart most have a internal ring you can remove with circlip pliers, and presto you see a simple valve with most likely no return spring so the pressure inside holds it shut greese your seals you will be alright. (and use synthetic greese and oils)

KEN CRANE

11-15-2003, 09:55 PM

i was going to delete your post as i cannot fathom you even trying to do this.we dont care about fire, fires can be put out.we are concerned about the schrapnel from the explosion that is the result of the release of pressure that hits your body and is called death by blunt force trauma.have you heard the real story of the fireman,scuba instructor,paintball store owner in ct.that was killed about 6 months ago?he was killed by blunt force trauma to the head and upper body from schrapnel when his equipment failed?why would you try and test physics?when we recive the photos from the compressed gas association i will forward them to you.i surelywill not post them on this site as they would make you vomitt .please dont do any more tests as it is a proven fact as to what can happen.anyone reading this post and is uncertian as to its accuracy please look up "how a diesel engineworks"

the diesel engine has no spark plug, it intakes air and compresses it, and that it then injects the fuel directly into the combustion chamber (direct injection). It is the heat of the compressed air that lights the fuel in a diesel engine. The heat of the compressed air lights the fuel spontaneously.

i dont in any way want to seem like a know it all but for gods sake this is a huge safty issue.

KEN CRANE

11-15-2003, 10:03 PM

the other issue right now is the poor thread contact of cheap hp regulators flooding the market without any type of regulation.most threads have aprox. 50% contact.just think what it is with a cheap import.ever wonder what a regulator pulling thru the neck on a bottle could do to a chubby fill station operator?sort of like a spoon in jello.......

Bill

11-15-2003, 11:27 PM

If you throw a match into nitro methane it wont catch on fire. Are you going to test that for me thanks. Do it at your own risk.
I think the oils your trying to ignite needs a hotter spark or maybe more compression, like you have in a paintball tank

speedhatchetman

11-16-2003, 05:49 AM

i believe you miss under stood why i was doing testing. it was not to disprove any happenings, it was just to find out what make a higher risk, and no i was not dumb enough to allow me or anyone in hazards way while don't this.

I was just tring to understand what compounds lead to the most dangerous combinations with compressed air we use. And since i am using a fail safe break appart setup the fires never go to explosion.

and i know how how all engines work, and that was not the issue. I was doing any methods of recreating the same problems that have been encountered. because if you understand it then you can prevent it better.

the one question that i finialy can too, maybe you can answer it was. what equipment was he running, was it tanks or a booster, i obtained a booster for a week for a rebuild and found that i can cause a fire (what would be an explosion) with it and normal air content because of the extra heat created causes harder compression thus leading to friction and more heat. Like i said in an earlier post if you did not errase me, was comming from bottle gas i could not get much, and now this booster accually scared me with the ease it could produce an oil fire (explosion). however with fully synthetic oil i could not get anything.

I Know your replies would be either to errase this or to think i am not understanding what happened, but i am not testing physics i am doing practical shop experiments FOR THE GREATER GOOD.

I think we should demand SAFER OILS, such is common place in my shop, however are made for the mechincal operations that a paintball gun does. At least then if we can uses safer oils then if somoene does somthing like put oil in a tank it won't blow up.

speedhatchetman

11-16-2003, 05:53 AM

i am not tring to be negitive in fact i am tring to help in the long run. I am sorry to anyone that miss took what i am doing, i should have also specified my equipment setup that i test in so no one gets any ideas. Don't try at home, i use a shop we have a fail safe system built for testing explosions in tanks. and a foot of reinforced steel surrounding the tester as a fail safe.

Again i appoligise to anyone that i made mad about posting i was just tring to help and show my support in tring to find a way to be safe after the fact.

KEN CRANE

11-16-2003, 12:22 PM

ok cool that sounds much safer!!!!

speedhatchetman

11-17-2003, 01:29 AM

do you know what equipment they were running when it went up, if it was tanked or boostered?

I do have a warning about boosters and TO MUCH HEAT from friction on a repeated use maybe 3 in a row i got an average of 40 degrees increese in temp, of corse hotter it is the harder it works to compress making that atomic combustion situation, and like i mentioned i got fires (explosions) with a boster 10 times easier then with out.

a side note, since this works both ways, in an engine for every degree of cooling you gaint horse power, and every degree of heat you loose power, because of cooler is more easy to compress fast and in a smaller area, you add the temp change in a booster + 40 degree to the friction going through a one way valve in your tank and then expanding causing turblence inside the tank, you ever wonder why bosters heat your tank thats why. And they makes them less accurate, because if there is no problem that air cools causing pressure to reduce. Its basic math when you have the physics equations for it. I think the boosters are horrable inventions, i know there cheaper in short term but i feel there a huge safety risk. Here is an example i was at a field (in md no names) they used a booster, it heated my tank up to where it hurt my seal in my filler nipple. they clamed it was common (thats BS) and i had parts so it was no big deal. There situation was because of lots of use in a row one after another, and for that they need to at least install an air system air to air intercooler with fan. ALL BOOSTERS SHOULD HAVE A CHILLER, just like big compressors (a booster is a compressor just different in-put.)

Sorry about rambling on about the evils of boosters, just 2 cents for the fire.

KEN CRANE

11-23-2003, 11:36 AM

nope thats great factual info.we need more educated people to show others the shortfalls of some simple facts that are misrepresented.woah,that was a mouthfull. lol

speeddemon2003

11-28-2003, 10:22 AM

my old itroduck tank said in huge letters, stamped into reg, and gauge USE NO OIL!, when i had this tank, (back in the day)lol,
i didnt no y it said that, but i never oiled it, maybe all companys should do this??

steve

speedhatchetman

12-05-2003, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by speeddemon2003
my old itroduck tank said in huge letters, stamped into reg, and gauge USE NO OIL!, when i had this tank, (back in the day)lol,
i didnt no y it said that, but i never oiled it, maybe all companys should do this??

normaly companys leave this off the reg, because they include it in the manual about not oiling the internals with pertolium based oils, gages normanl have it on them because some are oil filled, some are dry and they print it on the gage to remind you its a dry type.

speedhatchetman

12-05-2003, 04:43 PM

her is the easy fix to a leaky filler nipple using no oil, last trip to the store i tought about 10 ppl how to rebuild there filler nipples safely. since there is no topic about it on the forums. here it is.

if your nipple leaks and your sure its the nipple, remove it using the right size wrench or socket wrench.

inside you should have one of two types:

SLIDE TYPE:
Slide is where there is a piece inside using back pressure. In the slide there is a very small retaining ring you can remove it with small circlip pliers or since the small size you can use two needles and some finger work, it comes right out.

then the inside slide can be removed you will see a small ruber or synthetic seal check it for wear, you may even smooth it out with a lighter and a quick pass (as long as its clean) (not to hot don't burn it just heat it it will smooth but only if its worn. then re GREESE using synthetic GREESE, either a dow or other synthetic greese. and reassimble and your done, (don't forget the clip, and remember to seal the threads)

there is another method of getting a good seal and you can get more use from it by the following. remove as before and clean it good, reassimble and press the slide in torward the fill side and heat the tip with a lighter get a medium heat for a few sec. if you do it right it will better fit the inside of the nipple. remove all parts and re- GREESE with dow or other synthetic only greese.

SPRING TYPE:

rare if ever the only difference is the way it works with the seal being spring operated to keep low pressure from excaping around the seal. (more efficent then the slide in low pressure, and there is no clip. just remove clean and folow the other directions for the slide cleaning fix.

PLEASE NOTE:
Greese should be used in regs and seals not oils, Always use the recommmended greese for the application, and as a rule i always use all synthetic oils in my tanks and guns. everyone should they last longer and in most cases there safe for the envirment and incase you get them on you as well.

NEVER PUT ANY PETROLIUM OR PART PETROLIUM OIL OR GREESE IN YOUR TANK OR PARTS OF YOU TANK, USE SYNTHETIC, AND ALWAYS USE GREESE ON SEALS, THE FLASH CHANCE IS ALMOST INPOSSABLE FOR GREESE EVEN IF ITS PETROLIUM BASED.

WE SHOULD ALL DEMAND GOOD SYNTHETIC SAFE GREESE AND OILS.

brian5

12-21-2003, 10:55 PM

being a field owner, what can i do to better protect myself and thers while filling other ppls tanks for them. i allways ask the person about it before i fill. i always knew this could happen, but after reading this the other day, i "pucker up" every time i fill a bottle. asking them is not enough, thier word is not worth our lives( i said "our" lives cause if he lied about it, im taking him with me!)

brian5

12-21-2003, 11:13 PM

and tell me more about these pre-sets that have poor threads, i will bann them from my field.

Emmit

12-22-2003, 08:33 AM

but Brian....unfortunately without never letting them take their tanks home, there's nothing you can do about it. You have to take them at their word. Now if you see them doing it in the back of their truck at the field that's one thing, but how do you know they didn't do it at home? it's a bad situation to be in...

brian5

12-22-2003, 09:41 AM

i understand that about the oil, but it looks like there would be something we can do about these cheapa$$ presets with poor threads. has anyone done an investigation or anything on them, or have anymore information on what types regs have this problem. l am seeing more and more of these "brand new from ebay" presets that have no name one them. i want something to put up in the store that tells my customers about this so they dont have to take my word for it. please tell me more, brian h.

DeadmanInc.

12-23-2003, 10:43 AM

Untill today I did now know that putting oil in your fill nipple could cause an explosion. Many times I've seen players place a few drops of Gold Cup oil or 3 in 1 oil in their tank and then go fill it. Also is it safe to use the Dow 33 (shocker lube) when I rebuild my tank reg.

RaistlinsLegacy

12-23-2003, 10:03 PM

i dont think that is safe...

warpedx

12-23-2003, 11:53 PM

Dow 33 should be fine. He did state to use a Grease, which Dow 33 is. But no oil.

newqlear

12-26-2003, 04:25 PM

Hey guys check this manual out it just came with a bulldog tank I picked up... it says to use air lube in the fill nipple... I dunno airlube can be taken many ways... and does not state not to use any other type of oil/grease Ken You may wanna check into this
http://www.airconcepts.com/ACI_Ecom-Website/MainFrame/Frames.html

speedhatchetman

01-02-2004, 10:25 PM

again to answer any other questions, i have posted on this many times, rebuilding a reg is one thing, and fixing a seal leak is another alltogether. you can use any oil you want as long as it is synthetic and not petrolium based.

air lube brand is synthetic oil but good luck finding it short of there factory or a factory that uses it in tools.

dow 33 is fully synthetic greese i use it in all my guns that require a greese, there is also dow oils that follow this, most remaining food grade, but thats not important, what is important is safety.

rebuilding tank regs with dow 33 will be fine and after they are used a few shots it should with in specs of new. and sence it has no petrolium parts it can't rot seals that are rubber or synthetic like found in tank regs and in your gun.

i bet no one new why they wear out seals in side your gun that does not have friction on it, all because of the el cheepo oils like gold cup or air tool oil etc that is petrolium based.

if you get in the habit of rebuilding tank regs, then get your self some dow 33 get alot, you can get like a bucket for the price or one tube.. don't buy it from ebay, call dow chemical they will sell to you.

grease should be used in seals and regs, not alot but enought to go the distance, oils have there place like lube in the lines and internals smaller and not sealing parts. but if you use synthetic oils and synthetic greese your gun will last alot longer with alot less maintaince.

Vague312

01-25-2004, 03:41 PM

Would N2 Grease work in the fill nipple? (((I dont have shocker lube on hand))) Every now and then mine leaks...

Thanks,

speedhatchetman

01-26-2004, 12:14 PM

if it doesn't say synthetic then its probally not, however if you used natural petrolium based greese it might not blow up because its thick and probally won't mist, but i would not chance it on non systhetic.

krispy

01-26-2004, 12:53 PM

You should take off your fill nipple and check the oring. Mine was broken and causing a leak everytime I would fill it. Since I replaced the oring, no more leak.

Vague312

01-26-2004, 03:31 PM

Yep N2 Greas is synthetic. Its Made by G-Force

Thanks for the response Guys

speedhatchetman

01-26-2004, 08:08 PM

if you page back in this thread there was a posting i made about quick rebuilds to fill nipples.

My last post was a little messed up.

if it doesn't say synthetic then its probally not.

but to sum it all up with all the information out there.

1. Before you use oil know the product first, if its non synthetic then your fine if not then don't use it. While petrolium based oil is alright and safe at low temp example, the asa and forward from the tank, 850 or lower to be safe.

2. synthetic Greese is to be used in regs, synthetic oil is not permanate it blows through like all oils. if you want to fix a leaky nipple rebuild the nipple.

3. If you spent money on a quality gun like most have, why not spend another dollar more for quality oil, kc synthetic works.

4. Buy dow 33 for all your regs and if you can't find a 5.3 ounce i can get it for you pm me.

Use your head people and lets all be safe, and above all if you think your doing something wrong then ask someone for some advice.

akes

03-02-2004, 08:59 AM

Neglect can be an Addmission of GUILT !!!!!

I am an Auto Tech by Trade & recently(1yr) started Paintballing, I have heard & even seen Several Players lube the fill nipples &/or Reg on Tank, most common is to add a little "OIL" in the macro line & re-install...... , most think its a quick way to LUBE the Internals

This Post has brought to light the Dangers of this, Thanks KEN.

Remember its not Always Common Knowledge

---------- Big Al

speedhatchetman

03-16-2004, 07:24 PM

people need to listen more about this , if you use any oil in your gun after the reg on your tank, ie in the asa connection or the macroline you will not hurt your self. its only the filler in the tank ie the nipple on the reg that says inlet or where they fill it to 3000 or 4500 psi, thats the danger not after the tank in the gun itself, most only do this because fill nipples leak wich is not alot you can do they are friction parts and do wear and need greese and seals, not oils...... some kids try to skip the step and oil the nipple instead of fixing the problem... that is what this is about.

Never use non synthetic oil in your gun. you can but i would not... never put oil in your tank........ see the C.G.I. for more info on exceptable practices, they know safety.

Yetti

05-10-2004, 11:25 PM

I had to stop a small leak in a Dye Throttle tank a couple weeks ago, and I used the Dow 33 lube. I think the weird part about that tank is it uses a schrader valve (like the ones you use on valve stems for inflatable tires, except rated for a higher pressure.) We thought the valve was junk from the box, so we first tried a regular "vehicle" schrader valve in it. As soon as it got 2 pulses out of the fill station, it threw all the o-rings out and then leaked worse. Don't use automotive schrader valves in Dye Throttle tanks: chances are if it leaks, discharge the tank, remove the valve, lube with Dow 33, and make sure it's good and tight.

mattcfleming

05-11-2004, 03:08 PM

I'm a mixed gas technician for IANTD... basically I do fills of up to 50% oxygen at a max of 4500 psi for diving applications (Decompression requirements, different decom. limits etc...) These cylinders range from cylinders as small as 30 cu 3000 psi pony bottlesup to 130cu at 4500 psi. The fact that people would even question the use of oils with hp cylinders is complete stupidty. A full 80cu scuba tank filled to 3000 psi is the equivalent of 5 sticks of dynamite. In a store not to long ago, a tank blew up which set a piece of cylinder through multiple layers of cylinderblock wall... it wasn't even filled all the way. Unless your certified to work on hp tanks (like V.I.P inspections for scuba, or hydroing) or have significant experience you should not even be touching those regs; they are not something you 'take apart to learn how it works'.

-Matt

C.Carles-AOG

05-11-2004, 03:26 PM

Amen.
Says the SCUBA fanatic and paintball player. I'm going for SSI later this year...hopefully cross over to CMAS when I can.

Hashish

05-12-2004, 11:20 PM

well see for people like me there aren't many experienced players and techs so this is really good to know cause i didn't know and this could've saved me some erm problems down the road haha thank ya ken :clap:

OriginalFormula-Duns

05-16-2004, 05:44 PM

speedhatchetman

05-16-2004, 10:29 PM

possibly a repost....if it is culd one of the mods delete??? thanks.

Iv played SC before....they use a booster for compressed there. that may be the missing part of the equation.....

For tanks like max-flow adjustables, how the hell do u get the damn fill nipple off??????? I cant fit my wrench in there (but mayb my wrench is just too big).

EDIT: just noticed.....for extra fun....add the word penis in wherever in have wrench

I thought it was pretty straight forward, except for my bad spelling, boosters cause heat and heat=evil evil=higher risk, higher risk=some problems, some problems = acciedents, acidents= chance of fatial injuries,

Or fix you stuff right and avoid the worry

OriginalFormula-Duns

05-17-2004, 12:12 AM

amen to that

Crazy4Paintball1

11-18-2004, 10:25 PM

This is a great post....if only all store owners and field operators would read this stuff too...I have heard some bad stories from people

Dgballer

12-11-2004, 03:52 PM

My tank leaked from the fill nipple and a tech put some oil in it. Nothing happened it and stoped the leak for about an hour, am I at risk of my tank blowing up?

irchrisr

02-08-2005, 11:59 PM

one of the admids should email jungel island with this info they have been telling people to fix there tank this way for a while

Paintballjc

02-09-2005, 01:04 AM

one of the admids should email jungel island with this info they have been telling people to fix there tank this way for a while
thats not an admins job, why dont you just do it...

Presto333

02-09-2005, 01:06 AM

which means i am no longer going to jungle island, not including the noobish refs and crappy fields, now i would have to worry about exploding tanks, no thank u

Spaced

02-09-2005, 04:27 PM

This is nice info for the public. keep up the good work.

corrupt123

02-09-2005, 05:22 PM

read this, atleast, something quite similar on docs site a long while back. aswell as all the points you've mentioned ken, the high pressure makes the combination even more volatile. i think everyone who knows should tell two people, aswell as letting their local field know, and recomending that a sign be put up.

even with a small fire, if someone drops a tank filled to a high pressure, it will go right through everything in it's path. no questions asked.

irchrisr

03-25-2005, 10:32 AM

thats not an admins job, why dont you just do it...
i ment someone im to lazy. jungel island is like a woman abuser the wemon dont want to go back but some reason they do??????????? :notsure:

Trigger Happy

03-27-2005, 10:04 PM

i ment someone im to lazy. jungel island is like a woman abuser the wemon dont want to go back but some reason they do??????????? :notsure:
that would be women.......
writing an e-mail to
jungel-island of jungle-island.com, only jungle island i found when i googled it
oh...... and thanks for allowing more people to be endangered over the weekend while you stood by and didnt take 30 seconds to write a freaking email to them warning them of this hazard because you were too LAZY :stooges:
they will probably just ignore my one email so i encourage others to also send emails to them so they will hopefully inform all their refs/techs etc.

p8ntballer73

07-25-2005, 09:38 AM

This is a great post. Very important information to know. Honestly what percentage of people between 15-99 years old actually take the time to read the warning section of the manuals?

Here is another little bit of information on compressed air:

The pressurized air normally used in a scuba tank is at 3000 PSI (pounds per square inch) and has enormous energy potential. The kinetic energy potential contained within an average SCUBA tank is 1.3 MILLION foot-pounds. This is enough energy to lift a 100-ton diesel locomotive off its tracks and into the air.

Now I know that this thread is about the safety concerning placing oil in the tank, but I thought a little more information on the energy power of compressed air wouldn't hurt to include.