difference between various angels

[newqlear]

Hey guys,

As of recently I started looking for an angel and I am reading forums to find out as much as I can before I buy... BUT, I was wondering what are the major difference between the LED LCD IR3 as well as I have seen adrenalin , force , Dark , Class Rocky , etc angels and by god the lack of information on these guns is astounding. When I statred playing paintball some 5 years ago this has been the gun of all guns (and probably will remain this way for me) But back to my question do any after market angels really offer any true differences or are they just all flashing lights. I think I have figured this much out I want an angel with an anti chop eye so I have to go IR3 or above and is a dark or class angel or any other angel really worth the extra do and if so Why?

Thanks for your time and attention -NewQ:puzzled:

[morant]

an ir3 doesn't really have an 'eye' it has a peizo sensor that works allot like an eye....you'll have to read more about cops/sensi to understand the dif but it's not an eye.
you can have eyes put in any of them (not sure about led's but certianly on any of the others) for like 250.00......many ppl including top pros think the eyes are better than cops/sensi......it's argueable at best.

cops comes in ir3's, sensi in speeds or 4's.....the principal is the same, the sensor is the same but the sensi software seems to be superior to cops in most respects.

ir3's and lcd's (any kind) work or opperate the exact same way...there are various aftermarket parts in some of the various kinds....you buy a mamba and you get the cobra bolt and various other cobra ammenities ect. but all in all there is nothing really different about any of them or how they work.

you can take an old lcd and spend a little time and $ here and there and make it as nice as any other angel.

the ir's have a nicer lcd display, better game timer and a better (encapsulated) board but the performance isn't truly enhanced by these "flashing lights" as you put it.

again the operating principals or the mechanics of the ir3's an the lcd's are the same. one is not really any better or worse than the other out of the box except for the anti chop(cops)

the speeds and 4's again work on the same mechanical principal but some of the guts have been moved around to allow for lower opperating pressure. the cycle time had been increased dramatically and there is no arguing that a speed or a 4 is capable of shooting faster than the ir's or lcd's but to me that's not the decision maker. i can't outshoot a regular lcd or ir3....most ppl can't. so 30-31 bps means very little when your only pulling 16. having said that it is or will be easier for the avereage joe to get good at pulling 16 consistantly on a speed or A4 than on an lcd or ir3(that's a hard one to explaine in laymans terms but it's the case none the less)

after shooting, playing with, or working on damn near evey different kind i'd have to say that the A4 is definately one of the nicest markers(not just angel) i've ever encountered.

as far as what to buy....buy the one you like the best, looks, feel, budget, ect. you can get fantastic performance out of any of them....you can buy a humpteen million aftermarket parts including eyes to enhance the performance as you see fit.

in essence they are indeed all the same, save a few odds and ends....

[iPc-187]

:clap: well put......now its all on you newqlear

[acoenfam1]

Outstanding job. I all comes down to what you're looking for.

[newqlear]

very well put thanks for the input I looked at all sides of it and I wanted some sort of anti chop definately... I hate cleaning my barrel.... I have heard various rumors on performance of the various anti chops and regardless if I don't need it later I can disable it. But to get to my point I liked being capable of 20 bps and the anti chop eye so I am getting a warped sportz dark ir3 it should be here end of next week! Thank you for your help this forum rocks! straight answers no flames I like it!!

[acoenfam1]

You'll be more than happy with your choice.

[newqlear]

just as a matter of mentioning I have been sifting through articles on ir3's and there seems to be some confusion but from what I gathered the ir3 does not have an eye so to speak but more of a pressure switch but I can't find anything elaborate or definitive about cops could anyone please contribute a link or article or thread on it? More imparticular how does it work and a diagram or informational pics...

[Emmit]

No Angel has ever come with an eye...I repeat there is no anti chop eye on an Angel.

The Angel IR3 introduced COPS. Crystal operated paint sensor. This is a piezo electric sensor that detects a ball in the breech in front of the bolt to reduce the chance of a chop. There is a sensor pad in the grip frame of the marker, a rod goes up into the breech. When a ball falls on the rod it pushes 2 small strips of metal together to send a signal to the board allowing a fire signal to be sent.

[LiquidDust]

I dont know who exactly your talking to Emmit, no anti chop eye that comes with angels as stated

but i know above he was mentioning a ACE(eye) as an aftermarket upgrade for around 250$

[morant]

emmit means that no angel has ever been made or come stock w/ an eye.

he is correct.

and yes ACE will cost you around 250.00 and can be put on any of them.

[Hep]

I'd have to disagree with morant on the performance on a IR3 being the same as a LCD. The IR3 IMO hands down outperforms an LCD in operation, features and overall feel. But at any rate any Angel is good to have.
My 2 cents,
Hep

[morant]

in what way does it out perform?
it's not faster.....the guts are the same.

personally i like the ir3's but i've never played w/ one or worked on one that i could shoot any faster that an lcd.

the opto trigger is nicer than the lcd's microswitch and like i said they do have cops but all in all it's almost exactly the same gun. they both opperate in exactly the same manner....w/ most of the same parts at the same pressure....

again that's just a personel prefrence situation.

[Hep]

Take anyone thats been shooting a LCD for a while and hand them an IR3 and they will tell you themselves the gun will outshoot the LCD. If the IR3 isnt any better of a performer and everything is the same other than the grip then why did WDP even release it?? Gated feed, 3 styla trigger gives you more options and for some easier access to attain high ROF. All 3 IR3s Ive owned had better air effiencey than my LCDs. Maybe its just me :lost:
Hep