The Force is Here!

[ANGELFORCE]

The wait is over. We've decided to give you all a teaser of the Force 4 Angel.
Release date: Orlando World Cup
Details to come. We'll keep you all posted here on angelowners and you can also check our official site which is still under construction: www.angelforce.tv

[dark2k2LCD]

awesome. the breach looks really thin

[bruiser]

wow


looks like an a4 to me

can u give us the specs?

[Bena]

Looks sweet..
Specs? More pics?

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

MSRP please. I was planning on getting a 4 for Christmas, but I might be more interested in this.

[dusted]

looks like a lcd/a4 mix with the breech so thin.

[acoenfam1]

Freakin' AWESOME!!!

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

1 more question: Is that an actual picture of the gun? It kind of looks like a model to me.

[Ninety2SiR]

It's definately a model.

[Emmit]

yes it's a 4...notice it's labeled Force4.....

[warpedx]

Guess there's our "fly", with everything milled down nicely. Don't know if I quite ike the jump from the tiny breech to the section where the feed screws in.
But very nice, especially if the backplate is milled like the model.

[SkeL]

I think that's supposed to be orange/tangerine.

[KEN CRANE]

its not a model its the real thing!

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

Are you being sarcastic?

[dark2k2LCD]

that has to be the lightest angel of all time. they even milled the space frame down

[dUCt tAPe BAndIT]

im thinkin angels are going to come out more often now

[punkd]

Originally posted by dUCt tAPe BAndIT
im thinkin angels are going to come out more often now

good!!!! i hope they pump em out like they do timmies

[rebelace12]

looks pimp tight

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

Originally posted by punkd
good!!!! i hope they pump em out like they do timmies

And then Angel owners would never see any new features or improvements besides milling. Just like they do timmies.

[Emmit]

in case you guys haven't figured it out from the previous teaser thread this is a Custom 4. Just like a Cobra, or a Warped or an Impact was a Custom IR3.

The people behind the Force will reveal all the information in due time. From the pic you can see it's got some different milling, colors etc. If you want something different from the stock 4 this is it.

[kpaintball]

sweeett

[MoogLe]

not bad, more pics plz!

[Docnlk]

wow, I was kinda hoping for that high speed loader that people were forecasting. well, I guess we all stick with guns that can shoot faster than the loaders we use! Peace!

[idiotkid]

Dark, How is the space frame milled down? It looks exactly like the one on my 4. I don't know if I am not just noticing things.
-Pete

[ayabaloo]

MSRP??

[dark2k2LCD]

Originally posted by idiotkid
Dark, How is the space frame milled down? It looks exactly like the one on my 4. I don't know if I am not just noticing things.
-Pete
you're right, i was looking at the speed's spaceframe which is different

[JTp8ntballer12]

well i bet you all know how i feel....FKING PISSED!!!

it looks like the fly version of the 4 for sure, its lot flatter milling (like on the IR3 fly compared to CC)

[Emmit]

Originally posted by JTp8ntballer12
well i bet you all know how i feel....FKING PISSED!!!


why?

you got your 4.....this is no different than a Dynasty 4, or a Cobra 4...seriously, it's a Custom 4 put out by the Master Techs

[JTp8ntballer12]

yes, but it makes you feel more sader :(

[BlueC&CIR3]

the red/black color combo is tight (i hate the color red :)). What is up with the rise though? You milled down the breech and everything like your trying to make a fly a4, and then u don't provide a low rise clamping gated feed? Heh, the accessories and the color scheme defiently looks tight, i wish i could see a better picture of the milling though b/c you can't really see it all that well from this angle.

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

I was thinking the same think about needing a low rise. I just need to see a price tag on this so I can decide between this or a stock. The whole grip frame in that pic looks like plastic though, I need to see more of it. I also like the Darth Vader color scheme, goes along great with the "May the force be with you" stuff.

[DynastyDYEir3]

its a milled 4 looks prety awseme i think that they could of made it look a little better by making it look cool at the back but overall it looks like a prety cool gun

[C]-[iLDe]

A new Angel ALREADY?

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

Not a new Angel, just a custom Angel 4 by Angel Force, bunch of Master Techs. Just different milling and colors, like a Dark or Mamba 4.

[C]-[iLDe]

'new' angel, 'custom' angel - semantical differences. It wasnt here yesterday, so its new.

[Hep]

Everyone just needs to relax a bit and the price will be available soon Im sure. Just another option for Angels owners who dont want one of the only like 6 colors now available.

Hep

[C.Carles-AOG]

Awaiting specs...

[Jim@ImpactPaintball]

relax fellas.....no justice served...

[Chrishoppy]

oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god



that thing is tight i want one so BAD, so BAD

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

Originally posted by Chrishoppy
oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god



that thing is tight i want one so BAD, so BAD

:dito: I just hope this thing is under $1500.

[ayabaloo]

Man, i really want an MSRP--cant decide which one to get--i wanna make sure the price is reasonable.

[STRYPER]

I just want a silver a4 damnit!

[Reverserewind]

Ya I like the colour combo that's what my LCD looks like red polish and black. Just got my A4 yesterday and when I was told Force was a new gun I was a little pissed but realizing its the same thing just different milling, don't care at all now, I've got one now and am playing with it AND IT"S SICK!!! But just like everything newer and different things will come out

[alphakry]

i dunno - maybe its just me, but the a4 was JUST released - im gettin a bit sick of a new angel coming out every month! =/

its just upsetting to see everyone feeling they lost out cuz they bought their speed before the demon, their demon before their 4, their 4 before their force ....

[Emmit]

again why is it that people are being upset about this?

the markers will not perform any different. It's purely cosmetic.

I still don't see why everyone is so upset that the Master Techs are putting out a Custom version, but it was okay for Cobra to do it, and judging from the multipage threads that talk of the Cobra created there are more than a handful of people that want a Cobra 4. When there was even the slightest hint that Warped was going to do a version there were people lining up. There were people asking if a C&C or Fly version was gonna be done, there were people anxious to get a Dynasty.....yet suddenly the Force is the first Custom version on the market and it's bad???:wall:

and how is this every month Alpharky? The Speed has been out for months. The 4 released in New Jersey, and the Force is scheduled for Miami. Where's the Cobra? Not sure, but I don't see anyone bitching about it.

[C]-[iLDe]

Originally posted by alphakry
...its just upsetting to see everyone feeling they lost out cuz they bought their speed before the demon, their demon before their 4, their 4 before their force ....

Yeah i agree. Next time a new WDP marker comes out i WONT buy it, ill wait for the next couple versions to be released.

[alphakry]

ya, I hear you emmit - I just see this huge spike in angel owners – all signs leading to the premiere of the Speed - any now everyone doesn't see the next one as "nice" - but "superior" ....

As you said it, it’s purely cosmetic. I have nothing against the Force really - but I have nothing in favor of the Cobra either.... different looks and such are fine - uniqueness is great!

I just feel certain things have been waayyy rushed. Certain Speed issues were NOT taken care of, and instead were replaced by the quick release of the 4. And now, companies are rushing to put out customs also!

Where are the custom Speeds? Besides the demon, they’ve been scrap'd, for the "superior" custom 4's. I see the 4 as a "hey, the speed worked" ... lets correct all the problems it had and release a new gun!

And building and customizing that, just upsets me more ... so hence, I feel the 4/Force/wtvr is just another rushed "look, its pretty, it works" gun ... rather then something revolutionary - such as the premier of a new type of gun / technology....

Focus seems to have shifted from top end guns to top end sales marketing.

/end rant

[SkeL]

Originally posted by alphakry

Where are the custom Speeds? Besides the demon, they’ve been scrap'd, for the "superior" custom 4's. I see the 4 as a "hey, the speed worked" ... lets correct all the problems it had and release a new gun!

WDP always has made quality products. If you ever had a serious problem with something, they were more than happy to send/fix anything you needed. I had a minor problem, and was taken care of very nicely. The "speed" problems you refer to were usually happening to the First gen guns. This happens to LOTS of first gen guns. You think all the shockers are going to be perfect? No gun is perfect, but WDP has strived to make the best product. Honestly, how serious were these problems? You charge it and everything seems to disappear....
With the way you worded the last part of this quote, you make it sound like WDP didn't give 2 sihts about their product's dependability/quality. I beg to differ.
WDP service centers released a custom Speed, but how many custom Guns do you want? Are you going to purchase them all? We'll get to that later.

Originally posted by alphakry

And building and customizing that, just upsets me more ... so hence, I feel the 4/Force/wtvr is just another rushed "look, its pretty, it works" gun ... rather then something revolutionary - such as the premier of a new type of gun / technology....

Focus seems to have shifted from top end guns to top end sales marketing.

/end rant

You wonder where all the custom speeds are, but then you go on to say they are rushed guns with only appearance in mind.
You probably don't know this, but the Force 4 has been in development for a long time. A lot of time and effort has been put into this, and there's a reason it has no "revolutionary" changes.
1.) WDP "revolutionized" the gun by shortening it by almost an inch, and shaving off a noticeable amount of weight
2.)WDP "revolutionized" the Angel by going LP. Minus the LP hype, it truly did change the gun for the better. Better efficiency and less Kick.

When have intimidators or matrix's had such drastic changes?
There's a reason Custom models don't have better performance. Because there is scarcely a part on the speed/4 that is inadequate.

Marketing: Are speeds/4's not Top end because they like to market their product? What's wrong with marketing? Please, let's not forget about the hype of other companies. WDP has never kept their eye off the ball, or lost track of their purpose in the painball industry. To make a quality product, and make a profit to stay in business.
/end rant

[Kdog-13]

I don't understand the controversy?

I am not in the industry at all but I read aog, pbnation and listen when I am around ballers:

I heard about the speed before it was released, nothing specific, but I heard a new gun was coming.

I heard about the 4 before I bought my speed.

When the 4 was about to be delivered I sold my speed and bought the 4.

I knew cobra was not going to release a speed version but they would release a Cobra 4.

I knew the techs were releasing a 4.

I heard warped was not currently planning a 4 version because they did the a speed version.

People should rock the gun they want.....as long as it isn't a timmie :evilgrin: ......actually all players should shoot any gun but the 4, at least if you are playing against me.

Who is upset about the techs having a gun? If you don't like it get a different version.

[matthepepe]

l;

[alphakry]

I don't disagree with you Skel.... hence why I guess I’ll end putting up any arguments to anything that has been said.

The greatest point u make about it is that YES, I 100% agree that WDP is an amazing company when it comes to their dedication to the sport, their products and any customer satisfaction.

I guess I went off on a whim with my rant, but my basic point was reiterated in K-Dog's response. "I sold my speed and got the 4".

Who am I to say one can't buy a new gun based on preference/looks alone. I don't disagree with it, I’m just discouraged by the trend to disown the old, praise the new.

To be more on topic, i think the force looks pretty cool. The breech is a bit wierd, and i think i would have rathered a low-rise - otherwise - cool beans!

[Chrishoppy]

okay getting us back on track, will the specs be realeased before the gun is?

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

I don't see why specs would need to be released unless there was any performance difference from a stock 4.

[Emmit]

Originally posted by Chrishoppy
okay getting us back on track, will the specs be realeased before the gun is?

what Specs? It's an Angel 4 with some custom milling.

[dark2k2LCD]

Originally posted by matthepepe
l;

i agreeOriginally posted by alphakry
I don't disagree with you Skel.... hence why I guess I’ll end putting up any arguments to anything that has been said.

The greatest point u make about it is that YES, I 100% agree that WDP is an amazing company when it comes to their dedication to the sport, their products and any customer satisfaction.

I guess I went off on a whim with my rant, but my basic point was reiterated in K-Dog's response. "I sold my speed and got the 4".

Who am I to say one can't buy a new gun based on preference/looks alone. I don't disagree with it, I’m just discouraged by the trend to disown the old, praise the new.

To be more on topic, i think the force looks pretty cool. The breech is a bit wierd, and i think i would have rathered a low-rise - otherwise - cool beans!
i completey understand where you're coming from but:

I find my self seriously thinking about selling my speed and buying a Force 4. The field i go to practice at at the weekend usually has less that 20 people there as it is a small single supairball field. Within those 20 or less people, 7 of them have speeds, and 5 of them are blue. That means 35% of the people have the same gun with the same milling. I have been depressed by the fact that i felt the speed would be the end of awesome milling the the 2.1 dark had. So to see this tangerine, 4 in by far the best milling i have seen in the new generation of angels, really makes me think about getting one.

[idirtryder13]

Who cares if WDP is rushing these out, atleast they are not like smart parts and release there stuff 8 months late like the shocker.

[SkeL]

Originally posted by idirtryder13
Who cares if WDP is rushing these out, atleast they are not like smart parts and release there stuff 8 months late like the shocker.

Makes me wonder if people can read....
No offense, but it has been clearly stated many times that this isn't something WDP made, but rather the "Angel Force," the group of WDP's Master Techs from around the nation.

[thog94]

After every marker that WDP has put out (with the exception of the 2k3 LCD), there have been companies like Cobra, Impact, and Warped to name a few that have added their own touches to them. What would make the A4 any different? Knowing the past history, why complain? Just wait a while to see what kind of milling everyone else has to offer. If you’re that impatient and need one as soon as it comes out, them you only have yourself to blame, not WDP or anyone else.

[STRYPER]

was everyone just not around for the lcd or ir3 this is the exact same stuff. it is the same gun just cut and colored kinda like a c&c not made by wdp.

anyway the way I looked at the speed was the new base angel with a lower cost not all the bells and whistle but still shot like an angel. and the a4 was to be the new flag ship marker. maybe I am wrong but I thought people knew of the a4 around the time of the speed.

[brian5]

this is the way i look at it,... i sold my dark ir3 30 min. after i mouthed off at the field that it could be bought. two days and two hundred dollas later,.. new a4. it was like that with my dark lcd too, and the 5 previous ones that i have owned. i was sure that warped would be coming out with one when i bought this one, if they do, i will own one. any of you can do the same thing, send me $10 and i'll tell you how, j/k. the key is, TAKE CARE of your gun and DONT KEEP IT LONG. i have never kept an angel longer than 9 months. the older it gets the harder it is to get your money out of it. i own a field/store and its a little easier for me to do this, but there are guys that play at my field that do the same thing and it works for them too. this is just my 12 cent.

[tok3n]

I know warped likes to put in their own stuff on custom angels (not just different milling) - will the force have that also?

To brian5 - not a bad idea. but to many, the marker becomes part of them, hard to sell :)

[brian5]

it's JUST a paintball marker, they need to get over it.

[Blake Drinnen]

hay kdog do u know kit? he told me cobra wasnt coming out with an a4 version, warped is not coming out with one ether.
i really want to know the price in the realse date on this puppy i want one so bad.

[dr.strangelove]

That's one tight body, I might have to blow the whole wad I've been saving for a car on it. Just wondering, does it have the same stock trigger? because I gotta say, I hate that thing. I don't understand why WDP put a trigger that's angled into a frame that's not? It's like a trigger from a .45 frame, but it's in the Space Frame, it kinda defeats the purpose of the Space Frame. I liked the old one MUCH better, I'd take the "old" space frame over this new one ANY day. I don't like that they took away the pivot points either, quite gay. See the key in making something new is to keep the GOOD features from the old model, not to replace them with "Improved" features that aren't really an improvement on anything. If it's got a different trigger (or one is released sometime), I might just have to get one of those. Are they limited in quantity, or will they be mass produced?

On the release of the new markers...

The only thing that stinks about the A4 coming out so soon after the Speed, and even the IR3, is that you can't get ANYTHING for your used Angel now. I bought my Rock IR3 for $1800 10 months ago, now it sells for $1100, and I could probably only get $1000, or maybe even less for it. A 50% reduction in value in less than a year is BAAADDD, not even cars depreciate that rapidly. I'd have to put up at least another $500 for a new marker even if I sold the one I have now. The thing that I think WDP rushed more than anything was the IR3. Mere months later we saw the release of the Speed and the announcement that the 4 was coming. And the IR3 had bugs that needed to be worked out when it was first released (thusly why I waited a while to buy one). By the time they got them all worked out, and were selling latest model, no defects IR3's, it was only a few months before the Speed was here, so yes, I can see why people are dissapointed with the release of all these new models, but such is life. The IR3, the Speed, the LCD, and even the LED are fine markers, and there's no shame in keeping them (unless I find a 4 with a different trigger setup, I won't get rid of my IR3 for anything). Hopefully the 4 will be it for a while though, I don't want to wait a couple months for the bugs to be worked out, then buy one only to find out that the Angel D95S will be released in a couple days :)

[JTp8ntballer12]

well i havent heard of any major bugs in the a4 so far... and if you hate the trigger you know cobra and warped will be coming out with one soon...

[MoogLe]

Originally posted by Blake Drinnen
hay kdog do u know kit? he told me cobra wasnt coming out with an a4 version, warped is not coming out with one ether.
i really want to know the price in the realse date on this puppy i want one so bad.


i'm sure cobra will release one since they are no longer producing any other mambas and they're not releasing a speed so the A4 is all that's left

[crashdan]

I wanna know where the breech lines are? You see a breech knob but look down the side of the marker and see no lines. That makes me think its a non working model. Or is it matrix-like in its bolt removal? Take the whole thing apart?


edit... upon looking at the other pricture thread i see that the others have breech lines.. but why not the one at the start of this thread?

[dUCt tAPe BAndIT]

ummm. youre dumb right?

[crashdan]

ahh u so smart duct tape bandit... look at the picture ull see what i mean

[dUCt tAPe BAndIT]

you mean the picture on page 1 right? Im pretty sure thats a model

[dUCt tAPe BAndIT]

look at the new foce 4 model pics. im 98% sure the other is a model

[crashdan]

yea i thought it was 2, but ken crane said it was a real one, maybe he messed up or something

[dUCt tAPe BAndIT]

on the other pics the breech lines are really thin, its probably just the angle

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

"To create the banner a lot of photoshop work had to be done for the teaser we released. Here are some pictures of bodies I had just so everyone will see this gun is not in design stages, its the real deal!" - PBEric

[dr.strangelove]

I had heared that both Warped and Cobra will not make a custom A4, but I emailed Warped about a possible Dark A4, and here's what they had to say:

"On the Dark A-4 we are unsure of what we are doing right now, but something is up, I just don't know exactly what. We will see sometime soon I am sure."

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

I heard Cobra was doing a custom 4 for sure. ???

[tgallo]

I emailed Cobra and was told they were hoping for a December/January release date.

[Hep]

Guys and girls just sit back and wait to see what happens.

Hep

[thog94]

Originally posted by Hep
Guys and girls just sit back and wait to see what happens.

Hep

Patience is a virtue that some people don't have, but need to get!

[Hep]

Originally posted by dr.strangelove
On the release of the new markers...

The thing that I think WDP rushed more than anything was the IR3. Mere months later we saw the release of the Speed and the announcement that the 4 was coming.

While your right on the Speed and A4 releases so close the Speed came out over a year later than the IR3, not mere months. Just to put time lines in prospective.
Hep

[JTp8ntballer12]

and in that gap between the ir3 and the speed wdp was loosing profits because of the popularity of super spyders as well as the new electronic cockers. wdp needed something new to keep up, the ir3s werent doing it.

[Blake Drinnen]

sry my bad cobra is coming out with an a4 of theyre own it should be out in like january of febuary but definantly warped isnt coming out with one i know that for a fact.

[dr.strangelove]

I realize that the Speed came out a little over a year later (about 14 months, right?), but like I said, the IR3 had alot of bugs in the first gen. models, and it took them until mem4 to introduce the Opto switch, and mem6 for the COPS II (evidence that the IR3 was hurried onto the market just so that WDP could get something new out there. They probably were developing what would become the A4, but instead just applied some of the features they were working on, to a suped up LCD because not all of them were ready yet). So by the time they had the latest models with no defects shipping out, it was like 8 months before the Speed was released. And even so, 14 months is pretty quick for a new marker to be released. Think of it this way, the LED was introduced in what '97? The LCD didn't come out until 2000, and the IR3 didn't come out 'til '02 (perhaps it was late '01, I don't have the press releases in front of me, but you get the idea). It's usually a couple years between new releases, and now WDP has released 3 markers within that time frame. I think they rushed the IR3, because they couldn't get the A4 out there soon enough. Ordinarily I wouldn't mind, I love seeing all this new technology being developed so rapidly, but it's driving the resale value of the IR3 WAAAYYYY down in a short amount of time, which kind of sucks for those people who can't just turn around and sell their current marker, plus put up another $500 for the new one.

But anyway,

On the Dark 4, how do you know that they will for sure not be releasing one? That quote I gave earlier is right from an email from Mike, the sales guy at the website, and he made is sound almost as if they will be doing something. Warped has done a dark version of every other Angel marker, I'd be really surprised if they didn't do a 4.

Yes, patience is a virtue, I wish I had it. I wish I had it RIGHT FRICKIN' NOW!

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

Originally posted by dr.strangelove
Warped has done a dark version of every other Angel marker, I'd be really surprised if they didn't do a 4.

The Speed Demon is made by Warped Sportz but isn't a Dark Angel, so it wouldn't be the first time they didn't make one.

[Emmit]

Vash....while the Demon isn't necessarily labeled "Dark" it is still part of the "Dark" Series of markers.

[dr.strangelove]

Well, technically, the Speed isn't an angel. It's made by WDP, but it's not officially labeled an "Angel", it's just the "Speed". Just ICD's "BKO" is not a "Bushmaster"

[MoogLe]

Originally posted by VASHtheSTAMPEDE
The Speed Demon is made by Warped Sportz but isn't a Dark Angel, so it wouldn't be the first time they didn't make one.

well it is actually, just a different name..

[Emmit]

Originally posted by dr.strangelove
Well, technically, the Speed isn't an angel. It's made by WDP, but it's not officially labeled an "Angel", it's just the "Speed". Just ICD's "BKO" is not a "Bushmaster"

yes it is.....that's why it's called the Angel Speed, and the Angel 4, Angel LCD, Angel IR3.....they're all Angels

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

Originally posted by dr.strangelove
Well, technically, the Speed isn't an angel. It's made by WDP, but it's not officially labeled an "Angel", it's just the "Speed". Just ICD's "BKO" is not a "Bushmaster"

It is officially labeled the Angel Speed.

http://www.wdp-paintball.co.uk/images/speed.gif

I didn't know all Warped Sportz custom guns were in the Dark series. :shocked:

[russ]

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[russ]

Originally posted by dr.strangelove
I realize that the Speed came out a little over a year later (about 14 months, right?), but like I said, the IR3 had alot of bugs in the first gen. models, and it took them until mem4 to introduce the Opto switch, and mem6 for the COPS II (evidence that the IR3 was hurried onto the market just so that WDP could get something new out there. They probably were developing what would become the A4, but instead just applied some of the features they were working on, to a suped up LCD because not all of them were ready yet). So by the time they had the latest models with no defects shipping out, it was like 8 months before the Speed was released. And even so, 14 months is pretty quick for a new marker to be released. Think of it this way, the LED was introduced in what '97? The LCD didn't come out until 2000, and the IR3 didn't come out 'til '02 (perhaps it was late '01, I don't have the press releases in front of me, but you get the idea). It's usually a couple years between new releases, and now WDP has released 3 markers within that time frame. I think they rushed the IR3, because they couldn't get the A4 out there soon enough. Ordinarily I wouldn't mind, I love seeing all this new technology being developed so rapidly, but it's driving the resale value of the IR3 WAAAYYYY down in a short amount of time, which kind of sucks for those people who can't just turn around and sell their current marker, plus put up another $500 for the new one.


Now if new technology was available. If we could make it shoot faster, straighter, farther, more accurate, more user friendly, more etc.....
Do you sit on this technology for awhile, and hope your competition dosen't come out with it before you? .... Or do you try and release it and get it to your loyal following?
I guess you could sit on this technology, and never release it, maybe conspire with the government, maybe.....nah, then you may as well make automobiles, and move to Detroit..

[BrianD_182]

Since it doesn't look like anyone has posted these pics yet, here are some force 4 bodies:

[thog94]

Already been posted on another thread, but thanks anyway

[BrianD_182]

oh sorry.

[Hep]

If anyone is worried about the resale value of their pre-A4 Angel then why not keep it :dunno: I presonally am tired of hearing people complain about what their gun is now worth since a newer model came out. It's evolution and the nature of business so deal with it. Besides that keep shooting what you got if it works for you. No one said you need to buy the newest marker it's all in your heads to keep up with the Jones'. :doh:
Hep

[dr.strangelove]

Originally posted by Emmit
yes it is.....that's why it's called the Angel Speed, and the Angel 4, Angel LCD, Angel IR3.....they're all Angels

Then wouldn't the A4 officially be the 5TH generation Angel (LED =1, LCD =2, IR3=3, Speed (if it is infact an "Angel") =4, A4=5)? Doesn't make much sense to call it the Angel4 if it's the 5th gen. version. I wonder what WDP's reasoning is.

Anyhow,
What about that guy who said they're for sure not making a Dark A4? Anyone heard any word, because it sounds to me like they may indeed make one. I wish people wouldn't get on here talking out their arse's telling people that "x" is definitely true, then we find out a week later that they were full of it.

[dr.strangelove]

Originally posted by russ
Now if new technology was available. If we could make it shoot faster, straighter, farther, more accurate, more user friendly, more etc.....
Do you sit on this technology for awhile, and hope your competition dosen't come out with it before you? .... Or do you try and release it and get it to your loyal following?

By the same token, do you release something pre-maturely and sacrifice quality in order to be the first to release the "next big thing"?

[VASHtheSTAMPEDE]

Originally posted by dr.strangelove
Then wouldn't the A4 officially be the 5TH generation Angel (LED =1, LCD =2, IR3=3, Speed (if it is infact an "Angel") =4, A4=5)? Doesn't make much sense to call it the Angel4 if it's the 5th gen. version. I wonder what WDP's reasoning is.

Anyhow,
What about that guy who said they're for sure not making a Dark A4? Anyone heard any word, because it sounds to me like they may indeed make one. I wish people wouldn't get on here talking out their arse's telling people that "x" is definitely true, then we find out a week later that they were full of it.

The first Angel was the Angel V6.

I'm pretty sure this somes up what the 4 in Angel 4 means..

Originally posted by phuct
the 4 is the 4th incarnation of the 14 way. led was the first, changed for the lcd, again for the ir3 (and speed) and 4th for the 4.

[Emmit]

no, this is not the 4th Angel version, we all know that.

we've already discussed the root of the name comes from the 4 Latin Nouns used to describe it.

[MoogLe]

Originally posted by Emmit
no, this is not the 4th Angel version, we all know that.

we've already discussed the root of the name comes from the 4 Latin Nouns used to describe it.


yep that's what i figured at first, i also noticed on an angel ir3 flag it had 3 latin nouns, so it might have a double meaning

[dr.strangelove]

I'm more inclined to think that it's because this is the 4th gen. solenoid, like Vash said, than the 4 nouns used to describe it. It all makes sense now.

[tgallo]

It is more or less the fourth version. The Speed was more like a "4 minus".

As in minus the LCD and such.

[MoogLe]

well yea the speed and a4 are almost exactly the same

[p8nt_junkie]

didnt frazer say that WDP is now two markers and that the speed was the low end representative of the newest wave of markers? and the 4 was the high end one? so the next wave they present will most likely have two good guns for us to enjoy

[kevine]

Anyone know if the Force body (see pic above) will work on an A4? I guess this is another question for specs...

[Emmit]

it is a 4 body, it's just a different milling.

It's still an Angel 4

[Speedy_in_Blue]

Also, they will not be selling just the bodies.

[pimpinsaylor]

That gun looks sweet how long will it be avaliable and 4 how much caz im gettin one

[PiERoW]

that has to be a model the breech doesnt even open, or else you would see the hinges on the left side