A4 Palm Software?

[C]-[iLDe]

Is WDP planning to release Palm software for the 4 or will the current iR3 software work? It would be GREAT if it was included on a disk w/ the marker. Perhaps they'll release an updated version of the Palm software that will work for both the 4 and the iR3? Im just guessing.

Any info about this would be interesting. Thanks.

[MoogLe]

they will most likely develop a new one, there will probably be more programability on the A4, and they wouldnt really have to include it on a disc since the software is pretty small

[warpedx]

It'll most likely be released the same way the iR3 software was.

[Emmit]

I chatted with Ken for a few minutes about it, and this is an entirely new program for the 4. It will be on the same platform as the IR3's was, and will likely be available shortly after the release of the 4, he said he'd check with Frazer for a better guess on a release date later in the week when he called.

That's the best I can do for you fellas

[The_Specialist]

I don't have an angel yet but do you need a palm for the software or will a PC work?

[Emmit]

you cannot use a PC or a Laptop, to make the changes using the IR features on the marker you will need a Palm. You do not however need a palm to make any changes, it simply makes it a little easier. Everything you can do with the Palm you can do by opening up the grips and scrolling through menus. All you're gaining from the Palm software is the ease and speed.

[C]-[iLDe]

It will be a HUGE bonus to not have to open up the A4 gripframe for ANYTHING (considering the external adjustment trigger wheels). Thats a great feature.

[warpedx]

Not taking the grip frame off to adjust the trigger will make trigger jobs so much easier and faster.

[MoogLe]

Originally posted by warpedx
Not taking the grip frame off to adjust the trigger will make trigger jobs so much easier and faster.



hell ya, i wish there was some kind of addon to make that possible on ir3's :(

[JTp8ntballer12]

HOLD IT! u mean if i just turn the wheels i will have a trigger job?!? i havent been reading much on the A4 cus everytime i see it i want mine to come but this seems important.

so if i turn the wheels a lil bit, ill have a sweet trigger job?

[Emmit]

those wheels allow you to make some "fine" adjustments to the trigger after you've done the set screws (I think that's the way I've read it)

[JTp8ntballer12]

but is it still necesarry to do the trigger adjustments the old way to take the a4 to top notch?

[Emmit]

Originally posted by JTp8ntballer12
but is it still necesarry to do the trigger adjustments the old way to take the a4 to top notch?

:dunno:
I haven't opened the grip frame yet....can't til i get mine

hoping soon:x:

[JTp8ntballer12]

that was a fast reply..

ok, thanks thought, i forgot that no body has a a4 yet... :P

[Q[TXR]]

I fiddled a little with the A4 at Joy Masters and pre and post travel was all done with the wheels which you then would lock with the screw in between the wheels.

It's a neat feature but once you have adjusted the trigger to your liking you really don't have that much use for it.

[Benfrain]

Rodney Squires describes it in the video (with a little help from the camera man) by saying...

"...you no longer gotta take these guns apart, it's a quick and easy adjustment..."

However, it is still open to interpretation as to whether he means to fine tune or completely set it.

My guess is that you shouldn't have to open the gun up, otherwise whats the point? The TOE adjuster on the Speed does fine tuning without taking the frame off so this should do everything. Also notice that the 4 doesn't have trigger points so again, why would you need to open it up?

My money is on the side screws altering forward and backward travel and the TOE adjuster at the rear for extra fine tuning. No need to take it apart at all...

[MM77X]

The camera man in that video sure sounded like that "jolly ol' fellow" from England to me.Once the course adjustment is set,and you fine tune and lock it down,you probably won't mess with it much.Just needs a Cobra stick!

[kevine]

Once the palm software is released, will someone be posting it on AOG for download, like the IR3 software was?

[Emmit]

it wasn't hosted here........however it is likely that there will be a link of some sort posted here.

[kevine]

Cool, thanks for the info. It's the link that I was referring to in my previous post, i.e., will someone post the link. Thanks!

[tom allen]

i think the trigger has fixed pins on it, and the wheels adjust its position, at tleast that's what i thought i saw.

[C]-[iLDe]

Up, anyone have any more current info on the A4 palm software?

[kevine]

What's the status on Palm software for the 4? I know...I'm being impatient...but it was so nice for the IR3.

[Emmit]

last word was a couple of months after the release much like the IR3 software wasn't released until the week of Cup, that was like 8 months after the release of the IR3

[C]-[iLDe]

Originally posted by Emmit
... the IR3 software wasn't released until the week of Cup, that was like 8 months after the release of the IR3

WOW was it really that long? It didnt seem like it...Hopefully though the A4 software wont take as long because they can model it after the iR3 software; WDP doesnt have to start from scratch.

[Emmit]

think about it.....IR3 debuted at Mardi Gras....software wasn't available until World Cup. Pretty long gap in between

[Luzrd]

anyone know if the software will/should be compatable with the new lcd board for the speed?
i assume it will since its supposed to be an A4 board for the speed

[Emmit]

it will be designed for the 4....since you're not putting an LCD board into a Speed you're putting a 4 board into a Speed body then yes it will work. What you're effectively getting is a heavier 4 with a different type of trigger.

[kevine]

I'm assuming that if it will work on an upgraded Speed, the Speed would also need the IR port in order to send/fetch....?

[Emmit]

are you refering to the 4 board that is being put into a Speed?

How hard is this for people to understand? It's no different than the 4 board since it is a 4 board. You are putting the same board that is currently in the Angel 4 into a Speed.:wall:

[kevine]

any status on the software?

[kevine]

hellooooooo? anyone know when the palm software might be coming?

[kevine]

Any update on this?

[C]-[iLDe]

it probably wont be available forever.

[Reverserewind]

How come this wasn't developed to be released when the gun was? It seems like a really useful tool and even more so now that the A4 boards are available for the Speeds? You'd think that the software would be a little more of a priority.

[Emmit]

much like the IR3 the software is still under development. Give it some time. The IR3 software wasn't out for almost 10 months.

[kevine]

The IR3 software was designed from the ground up. I'll admit, I have no idea what it takes to design the software. However, considering that they have the software for the IR3 already developed, it's hard to believe that making changes or upgrades to already existing software would take this long.

If anyone has any info on this, I (as well as many others) would appreciate it.

[sleepy]

Hey JTp8ntballer12....... don' need to

[kevine]

Anyone have any info on this?

[Benfrain]

I think the general consensus of feeling is don't expect it anytime soon...

[paintballman_13]

you want software? try making your own.

[Reverserewind]

LOL try making your own, common it shouldn't be much of an excercise at all since the base has been built, the IR3 should also have got the bug out. Really it shouldn't be so delayed from the release of the product. It's a very useful tool and a great selling point I just don't think that they are putting much emphasis on it's development.

[Emmit]

or perhaps WDP is working on an entirely new program and maybe they're having software compatibility issues:wink:

[kevine]

Has anyone just simply tried to "send" their A4 settings into their Palm IR3 software just to see what happens? I may try this tonite. I wouldn't recommend sending from the Palm into your A4, however. I'd rather screw up my Palm vs. my A4!

[sleepy]

doesnt work..........
ive tried and ive tried and ive tried.... u get the picture

[sleepy]

has anyone tried sending from A4 to IR3 or vice versa?

[nuclear zombie]

I tried it this weekend(palm to A4) , as suspected it won't work . It's getting to be a royal pain in the buttock to adjust anything . For what the program is it shouldn't take them 6-8 months to come out with the software. What is the hold up WDP?

[Emmit]

the official current word from the Techs is that WDP will NOT be releasing a version of the Palm software like they did with the Angel IR3. They had done some research on it, and have decided it's not in their best interests to do so. Sorry guys.

[Ming]

They had done some research on it, and have decided it's not in their best interests to do so.

Emmit can you expand on this ? Is it just the money ? Maybe making it to easy to switch modes on field ?

:wall:

[paintballman_13]

it shouldnt be that much of a problem to make some new software. my dad made his own program from scratch in a few days.

[MoogLe]

why dont you share it with the rest of the people

[dako6680]

WDP is getting really weird here. First with the locked modes which was a downgrade for most people that had LCDs. Then they release it again on the 4 which negates all the justifications that they made on the ir3s which just pissed people off. Now a downgrade on the palm software. The palm interface is/was one of the perks of having the angel and now they are scraping it? Makes no sense to me. I didnt like alot of the things on the ir3 (weight, locked modes, that stupid grip thing) but the palm thing was the only thing I thought made alot of sense and now WDP is not going to do it althought the gun was design to take IR commands. How difficult or costly could it be? i know some CS majors at Berkeley that will do it for a case of beer. I think there is more to this. WDP better start honoring their loyal customers because I see more and more making a shift to timmies and trixes. I still think they are the best on the market but I think their customer relations is starting to slack.

[nuclear zombie]

The palm software was one of the reasons why I bought the A4, and if WDP doesn't make palm software, then I will be very dissappointed.

[ufcd98]

i agree with dako6680. i will be picking up a DM4 at mardi gras because WDP is resting on it's laurels. I picked up a force4 at world cup, expecting great things.
It hasn't done anything wrong. In fact, it's reliable and stable. But the "excitement" factor just isn't there. You can watch rec players buy their $700 vision impulse, and proceed to dump $500 in upgrades into it. You know that they'd get better perfomance for less with an A4. But there are no choices aside from color, as compared to the many triggers, valves, volumizers, pins, etc. associated with impulses, timmies, matrices, etc. Had WDP provided enough "cool things" like palm software, different trigger options (like springs, shapes, whatever), even worthless ball detent covers, then we'd see people hopped up to make their marker "cool."
i am now done ranting. flame on.
steve

[nuclear zombie]

I've decided to pick up an infrared reciever next week , I've found a couple of programs so i can detect and mimic the signal that the angel outputs . Hopefully using visual basic I can have a program made by the end of the month.

[Emmit]

All I can do is relay the information given to me guys sorry. I've been told there won't be a release of an IR software to the public for the 4. Just like there will never be a release of the tech software, and the unlocking of the IR3. Having said that, there's no point to discuss this any further.