A4 - most accurate marker?

[Khaotic]

I searched but dont think this has been discussed.

WDP have marketed the A4 as the most accurate marker in the world. On what basis is this? The 180PSI internal pressure?

[JTp8ntballer12]

well, all markers are just as accurate with the same paint/barrel (some think ne ways) so every gun is the most accurate and least accurate

[Khaotic]

Sure - that debate still rages on and on, but then what basis do WDP have to use that marketing line?

[dark2k2LCD]

cockers shoot farther than angels

[Emmit]

Originally posted by Khaotic
Sure - that debate still rages on and on, but then what basis do WDP have to use that marketing line?

they're marketing people probably just decided to use the same crap that the people doing the Matrix are....lower pressure must equal better right.....blah blah blah...

[Nasty Little Hobbit]

I cannot for the life of me explain why but low pressure guns seem to have a flatter trajectory and seem to be little more accurate. This may all be in my head though.

[kpaintball]

haha, someone posted a very similar post in pbnation, was it u khaotic? It turned out to be another verbose and trite debate, very boring. lol

[Sarcaz]

Can we say, placebo effect? :D

[JTp8ntballer12]

Originally posted by Nasty Little Hobbit
I cannot for the life of me explain why but low pressure guns seem to have a flatter trajectory and seem to be little more accurate. This may all be in my head though.
i agee with you...

[Khaotic]

kpaintball - no not me. Some like-minded individual but not me.

I am no scientist but I cant imagine how lower pressure would have any effect - I mean 285 f.p.s. is 285 f.p.s.

Anyway - i just thought that WDP were pretty clever 'cos the most common accusation levelled at Angels is inaccuracy - so now they are takling that stigma full on.

[JTp8ntballer12]

285 fps could be in a straight line, or could have some turns though...

like a car going 100 on a freeway or a bendy road, one will get farther....

[Khaotic]

Hmmm - but there are no turns in the air :)

I know what you mean but the paintball fired from a low pressure marker at 285 f.p.s. is subject to the same "after-barrel' events as the paintball fired from a high pressure marker at 285 f.p.s.

[joeman23111]

as far as accuracy goes i couldnt really tell in the chrony booth in jersey. yes i got to shoot one :) one of the dynasty guys was testing it and let me rip on it for a bit. let me tell you it is fast as hell. and it definately doesnt shoot like any other angel out there.

[sfxer02]

Originally posted by dark2k2LCD
cockers shoot farther than angels
i have done this test already at my field and the cocker didn't shoot further so please explain to me how u think a cocker shoots further then a angel, and compare a cocker and a angel with the same paint, same barrel and shooting the same fps now how would a cocker shoot further it's beyond me so please explain this one

aight peace

[kpaintball]

lol, I think the low pressure part of accuracy has to do with like the marker not moving around as much when fired? I.E. Spyders rock in ur hand

[JTp8ntballer12]

Originally posted by sfxer02
i have done this test already at my field and the cocker didn't shoot further so please explain to me how u think a cocker shoots further then a angel, and compare a cocker and a angel with the same paint, same barrel and shooting the same fps now how would a cocker shoot further it's beyond me so please explain this one

aight peace

i did the same test.....cockers shot the same distance (when there going the same FPS)

[kpaintball]

Yep, my friend has a 03 vert, and he still doesnt believe this, im starting to get pissed cuz he's being so stubborn.

[pvcobrakid]

kpaintball
i think u r right about the gun moving less. i was talking to the tech at my proshop and he said cockers are more accurit because there are less moving parts when the ball leaves the barrel. i think that might affect it a little but not much at all, the paint/barrel match is key to accuracy i think

[JTp8ntballer12]

and thats why spyders SUCK...high pressure and a lotta moving parts..

[kpaintball]

o yea, one of my first markers

[JTp8ntballer12]

what is?

[dark2k2LCD]

Originally posted by sfxer02
i have done this test already at my field and the cocker didn't shoot further so please explain to me how u think a cocker shoots further then a angel, and compare a cocker and a angel with the same paint, same barrel and shooting the same fps now how would a cocker shoot further it's beyond me so please explain this one

aight peace
i guess you didnt catch the sarcasm

[JTp8ntballer12]

its hard to see sarcasim in words

[Ir3Flyer19]

cockers have more moving parts than angels. lower pressure means less kick and the less kick your gun has the smaller movements when shooting will be. If your gun stays perfectly still and each ball comes out at same fps neglecting ball size, air resistance, wind etc. it should be more consistant groupings(more accurate). Since the new angel is low pressure it should have less kick and be more accurate. Ive compared my cocker and my ir3 and will take the ir3 over the cocker in every category. ive shot eblades, impulses, matrixes, timmys all with paint on the field and i'd take my angel over them all. the new angel will be that much better.

[joeman23111]

yea there the new a4 does not shoot or feel like any other angel ive shot. there is literally no kick. its very pimp

[pntbalmatt]

it's lighter. it should have more kick. I am not buying into this hype. I like my speed.

[Foosheezee]

Cockers have more kick than any other gun, high end that is. they have so much mass moving around (block, bolt, cocking rode, hammer, pump rod etc)

[warpedx]

But a cocker's kick comes after the ball has been shot. At the moment of the shot, only the hammer is moving. Once you start to get on it, everything is happening faster, so I'm sure you'll lose that advantage. And Spyders have just as many moving parts as an angel. Bolt, hammer, valve pin. No I'm not saying sypders are as good as angels, lets not even start that one.
Everybody else is saying their guns are the "best", the "fastest", and the "most accurate". Why can't WDP market like that? When it comes down to actually proving these words, we all know angels are the best. :)

[Nasty Little Hobbit]

Don't get me wrong in any way, I LOVE Angels and my good old Darkie is serving me very well. However, if you talk to the guys who have been around for a long time. The guys who remember when pumps were all we had will probably agree that pump guns are the most accurate. Simply put same amout of air to the ball every time and only one moving part, the hammer. Carrying this throught to today Angels and some of the nicer guns should be the most accurate. They have very few moving parts when the ball is shot. On top of that all the parts are moving in line with the ball flight.

As for the low pressure thing, I agree with you, 285 is 285. HOWEVER, I have seen it with my own two eyes. The shockers and Impulses are really strange. The ball almost seems to go flat and drop straight down when it is done traveling. Now I know it isn't quite that extreme but I have seen a dramatic difference in trajectory between high and low pressure guns. Can I explain this? Not for all the Hellfire I could shoot. Not being able to explain it does not change what I have seen.

Please don't flame me or say I'm crazy. I am simply posting what I have seen with my own two eyes. I would never say that a low pressure gun from another manufacturer was better tha my Angel in any way. A Low pressure Angel deffinitely gives me something to think about.

[Khaotic]

So now that I have the 4 inch volumiser on my Speed, I can make the same claim?

I have not shot it yet, just put them on yesterday - will see this weekend if the lower pressure makes any difference or perceived difference.

[Spyderkid]

The onlyway a gun could be the most accurate is if they include a barrel kit with it. that would be awesome

[kpaintball]

a spyder was my first marker i meant.
Oh, and I think weight is a factor on kick too, since the heavier the marker is, it may have less kick or recoil, but im not sure about that one either. Im just getting ideas off the top of my head.

[spazyomatex]

Originally posted by kpaintball
lol, I think the low pressure part of accuracy has to do with like the marker not moving around as much when fired? I.E. Spyders rock in ur hand

The main reason Spyders have that kickback is due to the recoil of the spring pushing the bolt back to a 'cocked' possition after each shot. It has little to do with high or low pressure. Weight is pretty much irrelevant since the object being fired weighs next to nothing, compared to the marker itself, and is also only being forced out at a max of 299 fps, which will not cause noticeable recoil. When the bolt is sprung back into place you feel the gun jerk slightly. The angel bolt design is completely different. There is minimal counter-resistance to the bolt (no huge spring). Thus, you get a nice smooth shot.

People seem to have a false notion that the proper barrel/paint match will solve all their problems. All I can do is laugh at those who think that way. There are so many factors to get into and I am not about to waste my time. Just know that the reason markers like Angels and Cockers cost so much is because a lot of time, effort and thought went into their designs to ensure the most effective responce.