Dynasty killed my image

[thegreatego]

I was just checkin the scores to see how team express was doing in the rookie, and i see dynasty put up a 15 agaisnt image.

[Skully Jr.]

Your point is?

[thegreatego]

well instead of saying my i meant to say by

[SPEED2003]

umm thats cool...

[desiree]

yea i watched the finals against the two teams and dynasty killed them.

[matman1]

dynasty kinda disappointed me when i saw then get a 2 for 1 for wiping in one of the games on saturday

[desiree]

who wiped?

[matman1]

i dont remember, ollie?

it was when they played the bushwackers

[JTp8ntballer12]

dynasty played image in the finals?!?!

i havent heard much and im a little shut off from the paintball world right now (im on my sis comp and paintball sites are too violent :(

[Emmit]

Yes Dynasty had to play Image for 1/2. Dynasty took it to them in 2 games. according to paintball.com there was some controversial reffing in some of the semi's games tho, but from what I read, you can't blame it all on Dynasty. If the ref's not gonna pull the player's armband and send him to the dead box, then it's not the players fault and he's just gonna keep playing.

[mayhempaintball]

Heres the thing to matman- every pro team cheats, get that in your head now. Dynasty, however, is not noted for blatant cheating, however, like some teams out there :cough: Miami Effect :cough:

If you don't think pro players are going to wipe, slide on hits, call it bunker rub, argue with refs, then you are living a lie. If every pro team cheats, and you turn pro and don't cheat, you are at quite a disadvantage. It's two things, if everyone is doing it.... and second, Doesn't it make you want to cheat someone if you know they are going to do everything in their power to cheat you?

Absolutely, and this is why people cheat, including dynasty. Dynasty still rules, and the whackers are cool too, specially mike paxson.

and glad to hear dynasty is kickin ass, ima go check the scoreboards myself, dynasty needs another triple crown

[alphakry]

it's just plain sickening in my opinion ... the fact that a professional team, the ones who should be SETTING the role model image to follow, are less loyal to the spirit of the sport then most rec. players. Sure, they are playing for big bux - but cheating puts a bad image on the team and sport itself.

ie: i've lost all respect for Bad Company. During their finals match at nppl jersey, they blatantly ignored being tagged and continued to play on. It was so bad that their back left player got lit up on the mask, having only about a 3inch circle of visibility, and continued to shoot at another player, EVEN AS THE REF PHYSICALLY PULLED HIM by the shoulders ... the ref had to grab his barrel to stop him from shooting!
For a professional team, that is absolutely ridiculous and grounds for sponsorship removal in my opinion. They represent not only themselves as a team, but also the companies they are sponsored by, and hell - the entire sport of paintball. When air'ed on Channel 5 now - it looks embarrassing to the sport, in my opinion.

Something needs to change in the tournament scene to prevent this from happening at such a large scale, where anyone can post and acknowledge "every professional team cheats."

While i know its true, i refuse to accept it as "necessary".


Also, another thing i saw ... its too bad that big laydown wasen't secured ... it cost the NaughtyDogs 3rd place ... BUT the player who was eliminated at it should have been aware it was messed up - they had played that side before and it had been like that all day ... the ref's did a pretty good job from what i saw - and he was a bit on the harsh side on blaming the ref rather them himself, for running into a loose bunker. Could never dog the Dogs thou, i think they are a great team, and would have loved to see them come out ontop!

[mayhempaintball]

I agree, but I disagree- other professional sports have fouls/penalty calls, just like paintball has 1 for 1s and such. In football, players are heavily paid, heavily sponsored, yet you always can catch someone facemasking in nearly every replay. Basketball, lets not even start. Hockey, people fight and aren't always penalized. Baseball, argueably one of the sports biggest players corked his bat, and was caught only once. I wonder how many times sosa actually played with a corked bat? i wonder how many players have their de bounce set too low

So, to say that paintball shouldn't have cheaters would be saying other professional sports shouldn't have cheaters, and that is never going to happen.

And a sidenote, in a real tournament, i will absolutely cheat you if I think I can, yet I am heavily sponsored for my level of play and am extremely good at promotion and marketing.

If someone blasts you in the leg while running, and you are a few feet away from initiating your slide in, would you not slide on it and ask "where am i hit" when the ref comes to pull you, or would you say "you're right, i took one to the leg before i hit my bunker"

uhm, if you voted option 2, congrats, you're so good and nice that you just tossed your chance at a high risk high stakes game, if you voted option 1, you are like 99% of NPPL/PSP players.

btw, rec ballers cheat pretty bad too, they just wipe without trying tricky stuff cuz noone is around to see it. They just start to walk out after getting rocked and walk back in. I mean, honestly, everyone wipes, everyone facemasks, everyone travels, its not going to change. The only thing you can do is volunteer your time to ref, and make a difference personally

[punkd]

kinda like mayhem said its not "cheating" its a "penelty"....

[LcdAngel2002]

it was kinda funny in one game on the nppl field i dont remember what team was playin exaclty but i remember marcus the carcus sayin watch this guy he does some crazy stuff and then while the game is playin gets hit on his wrist and marcus sees it and says ooo no1 else saw that...and he is still in playin on....The same guy he mentioned and then the guy went to marcus after the game and said u like that...I think its mest up but for the prizes u gotta do what u gotta do...i believe it was maybe a wicked team

[JTp8ntballer12]

why did all this bad shet happen at NJ but not as much at the other events

[LcdAngel2002]

cuz its dirty jerzey lol

[mayhempaintball]

bad ****? someone played on? it rained? i don't get it... that happened at chicago too.... it was rainy and cold and people play on at any and every event.

"cheating" is part of the game (i feel like a broken record)

and again, I cheat, I'll admit it, if i get hit off the break I'll slide on it, there's no way in hell ima walk out for a hit nobody saw and that is easily removable.

If you don't cheat, well then... I guess I'm just one step ahead of you.

Now I'm not a horrible cheater, but **** if i see an opportunity I'll take it. Winning is huge to me, second place is the same as last place. "go big or go home," right?

[alphakry]

well, i hate to drag on a topic that im sure has been discussed many times before - but bluntly mayhem, i feel sorry for you.

Shortened up, If you need to cheat to not be in second place, they you don't deserve to be in first place either.

Your trying to justify the breaking of set rules, and by definition, you can never be right. They are set for a reason, they are enforced for a reason - and the simple fact that you, and whomever else, may follow this "everyone cheats" philosophy - adds to the problem.

if everyone comes into the tournament / paintball, thinking cheating is alright and necessary - how is that acceptable?
Paintball is promoted as a sport of sportsmanship, teamwork and safety. Cheating defies all three of these, and hence, slowly takes down the sport from the inside.

As for the comparison to other sports - there's plenty of reasons why this comparison would prove faulty - but straight out, players are penalized to prevent them from doing it again. If your football player continues to get your team penalties, your eventually gunna teach him right, or send him packing. They are paid millions of dollars, way more then any paintball player will see. This brings up a point that since its not BIG BIG BUX, they should be playing on a basis of sportsmanship, to help promote the sport. Also, they are doing more then getting a penalty ... they are starting or contributing to a trend of thought, that you apparently share - that cheating is right.

Survival of the fittest is still a true virtue in this argument - just remember, fitness comes with experience, adaptation and skill, not trying to cheat nature. Honor may not always prove the most fit in nature, but without it, we all would have killed each other by now.

[mayhempaintball]

Originally posted by alphakry

As for the comparison to other sports - there's plenty of reasons why this comparison would prove faulty - but straight out, players are penalized to prevent them from doing it again. If your football player continues to get your team penalties, your eventually gunna teach him right, or send him packing. They are paid millions of dollars, way more then any paintball player will see. This brings up a point that since its not BIG BIG BUX, they should be playing on a basis of sportsmanship, to help promote the sport. Also, they are doing more then getting a penalty ... they are starting or contributing to a trend of thought, that you apparently share - that cheating is right.


You are obviously right, I mean, that would explain why most athletes are involved for many, many years and cheating still exists... oh wait no, that does the exact opposite. Again, cheating in professional paid sports exists, players aren't paid less or removed from teams (usually, save extreme cases) because of it.

In paintball, the simple fact that I know the guy on the other side of the field is going to cheat me, makes me want to cheat. Do i cheat at practice? Hell no, that wouldn't make it practice now would it.

Do I get faced and try to wipe it? Hell no, thats grounds for a penalty.

Lets look at Sosa. He got a suspension for using a corked bat, lets look at pro paintball. Players get suspended if they continue to break the rules.

Sorry to take you out of your "Paintball Fairyland," but sports are competitive, and in competition, people want to win. To win- cut down a hoody so you cant see it and still wear it. yeah ya broke the rules, but ya took 7 bounces in one game. Pros do it all the time, top pro teams that win that is.

In nature- honor is not the most fit, obviously. Survival of the fittest, everyone knows this law, and instinct rules for most species. Are they all dead? No, so what makes you think you can get away with that honor comment? You are right, being the strongest involves being the most skilled, experienced, and also smartest. Many predators use tricky techniques to confuse prey, they also compete with each other for food, They will try to cheat others out of it. Again, are they ALL dead? No, only the top predators/pro teams win. Hense, WONE concepts, no cheat rule on the team, lowest cumulative score of any NPPL/PSP team in any division EVER. Maybe they aren't as experienced or skilled, but then again, how many new teams went pro this year? Alot.

My argument is based on example and experience, yours is dramatic and niave.

I still don't see what proves my other sport arguement faulty, and i still see no hard arguement in your romantic little spiel.