Angel 4 pre-orders

[R.Vogel-Mo's]

http://www.mospaintball.net/list.asp?t=subcat2&catid=706&subcatid=2616&subcat2id=4607

We are now taking pre-orders for the Angel 4.
1st batch should arrive the week of 8/21
Reserve yours now

[paintballaholick]

how much how much...o nevermind! thats a bit much for me! You guys at mos should do a review on the gun for us!!!

[idirtryder13]

I wish i had a nice wad of cash in my hand, if i did, the red one would be preordered right now. but i have enough for the speed so i think i will just get that. but the A4 is looking nice.

[Azeroth6]

I think the Speed looks nicer .... the A4 just looks like a Speed with the LCD... ah well I love WDP... I would have sex with their sweet foreign asses...

[paintballaholick]

yea...i sorta dont like the A4 anx extrra 400 bux for what! and lcd and a volumizer! i mean sure its great that its smart and all....but its BUTT UGLY! id rather have have a speed than this !!

[MoogLe]

i wonder who will buy a speed demon now with that price

[acoenfam1]

And it begins.......

[paintballaholick]

yea....i bet people will still buy the demon considering that the warped version of the a4 will probly we around 1600-1800 (just a guess) I personnaly hting that the a4 is a waste....but thats jmo!

[JTp8ntballer12]

i would rather wait to see if there is a CC4 or a fly(maybee take of the guage)

[warpedx]

Hey, it's not as bad as the iR3 when it came out. And this is from a sponsor with a lifetime warranty.

[TopCourage]

i hope they figure out that the gauge looks like **** on there and take it off....

[Jmain87]

hey at least you didnt buy a 1600 dark IR3 a week before everyone knew about the speed and now cant get rid of it for more than 1300. and now this the A4. well i bet i cant even get 900 for it now. lifes a bitch aint it.l

[MoogLe]

yea but why buy a $1350 speed if you can buy an updated pimped out version of the speed for $50 more

[JTp8ntballer12]

prob bc some pll just LOVE ws,i do, but not that much

[silverdust03]

Originally posted by Jmain87
hey at least you didnt buy a 1600 dark IR3 a week before everyone knew about the speed and now cant get rid of it for more than 1300. and now this the A4. well i bet i cant even get 900 for it now. lifes a bitch aint it.l

I feel your pain. 03 lcd, $875 a couple weeks before news of the speed was released. Damn that WDP releasing a new marker every four months. At least I can take comfort in the fact that I only spent half the cash you dropped :P Oh yeah, I also has the baddest milling ever cut by WDP :)

[Xadin]

man wdp is turning into kingman, or bob long. new gun every few months

[Badger]

yeah I think that is just plain wrong......One gun a year is plenty, but to release a new one (speed) with all that hype and saying "this is the gun to get for 2003" and then releasing a new one a few months later is just wrong. It may actually hurt sales for the A4. Speeds have been selling like hotcakes, so how many of those people are just gonna sell their speed and lose money just to have an lcd screen? I know I won't. My speed is just as good and just as fast. I also know that being on a limited budget (like many) I am only willing and able to spend so much, and I would rather have gotten my speed with a kick@$$ new conquest, than spend the extra 400 bucks on the A4 and have to get a cheaper tank. I guarantee my speed will perform BETTER than an A4 that does not have as good of an air system as I do. I bet alot of people will end up running presets on the A4 when they could have gotten a fantastic system. LOL. But anyways, the technology and progress is good, but people will get tired of this, just like bob long releasing new guns all the time. It just makes WDP into a joke. They need to make one awesome and industry topping gun per year, that would be great.

[Diekrupt]

Well, according to their claim

"The Angel 4 is the most accurate paintball gun of all time"

Heh, more than an oracle / cocker.....Time will tell. If it is as accurate as a cocker (no kick, no curve / drop off) and shoots 30bps I would be amazed. It is problably wise to wait until Warped or Cobra redo it better. I think it looks cool. Dont think the speed looks that much better.

Again, they advertise that it does 12 modes. Will these be locked however in US and UK?

Something new is this vemeir wheel to adjust your trigger easily? Sounds interesting.

[captncrunch]

Originally posted by Diekrupt
Well, according to their claim

"The Angel 4 is the most accurate paintball gun of all time"

Heh, more than an oracle / cocker.....Time will tell. If it is as accurate as a cocker (no kick, no curve / drop off) and shoots 30bps I would be amazed. It is problably wise to wait until Warped or Cobra redo it better. I think it looks cool. Dont think the speed looks that much better.

Again, they advertise that it does 12 modes. Will these be locked however in US and UK?

Something new is this vemeir wheel to adjust your trigger easily? Sounds interesting.


I believe this will be accurate as any other gun out there. you list a few things,

kick- if you slap that huge volumizer on and tweek the dwell to get it running at 175 psi, it well have less kick than a cocker, MUCH less, maybe that of a matrix.

curve- Not sure what u mean by this

drop off is based on you air systems/regulators and how well your setup is taken care of.

I actually think a cocker is not at all one of the best contenders to compare this thing to, since they are a completely different type of gun.

[Everclear]

Hmmm. I could
A: Sell both of my angels and a barrel system and buy this
B: Sell one angel, and buy a WAS Viking, and put eyes on it.

Hmm.......

[Shenanigans]

This isn't an effort to take marketshare from themselves... This is a "high end" gun targeted at the $1000+ Timmy and Matrices that are winning everyone over. WDP can now compete at two levels, the sub $1K and the "I need a LCD, game-timer, bells and whistles" +$1K range. The +1K market was a fight they were losing bad, no one was buying IR3s anymore.

Now if the 4 was only $100 bucks higher than the Speed yeah that would be something to complain about. But other than Angel fanboys that buy a gun because of the brand I think most people that have $1300 to blow werent looking at the Speed anyway. Least now they have a gun to consider along with Lasoya and NY Xtreme...

[JTp8ntballer12]

IMO the speed should be only ike 600-700 to compete with stock imps, maybee a sensi optional thing too.

[Diekrupt]

Originally posted by captncrunch
I believe this will be accurate as any other gun out there. you list a few things,

kick- if you slap that huge volumizer on and tweek the dwell to get it running at 175 psi, it well have less kick than a cocker, MUCH less, maybe that of a matrix.

curve- Not sure what u mean by this

drop off is based on you air systems/regulators and how well your setup is taken care of.

I actually think a cocker is not at all one of the best contenders to compare this thing to, since they are a completely different type of gun.

Trying to not get off topic here to much.

Cockers have 0 movement, as my ir3 has quite a bit, even with a low dwell (i have lowered it) and have a volumizer. Im no expert but im sure you know when a gun moves, unless your hercules and can hold it still with the tank in your chest, the barrel will have to recenter which affects consistant aim. For me a longer barrel that adds a bit more weight to the front of the gun minimizes this effect.

Curve or arc. This is an extremely debated topic, but I have played extensively with cockers, angels, shockers, and bushies. Its obvious to me that my angel and every other one ive seen and used, has an arcing shot compared to a cocker and shocker. There are definate things that can be done to minimize this but angels upto IR3, i have not played with a speed, will never come close to the "flat trajectory" of a cocker.

Im only commenting on their claim of "most accurate gun" as IMO and everyone else I know, believes the cocker is the more consistantly accurate. Debate rages on why or how, but IMO its still fact. Watching a local tourney last weekend it was obvious to me, the guys making all the difficult snap shots where cockers.

Looks to me that the speed is the low end gun of wdp as the 4 is the high end. I compare it to Ford, they have a ranger and a F150, small size and large size. Still both trucks just one is bigger and has more options.

Does anyone know the deal with the wheel, is it trigger adjustment on the fly? and will the modes be capped in US, UK for astm as Im assuming they will be?

In terms of performance, I will be considering selling my IR3 to get a 4. Is this a wise thing, will the performance difference justify me having to loose money in selling a used gun to get a 4?

Diekrupt

[MoogLe]

Originally posted by Diekrupt
Cockers have 0 movement, as my ir3 has quite a bit, even with a low dwell

cockers have 0 movement??? what the hell are you talking about, was your gun even gassed up? no offense but that is some serious bs right there

Originally posted by Diekrupt
Im only commenting on their claim of "most accurate gun" as IMO and everyone else I know, believes the cocker is the more consistantly accurate

everyone you know is ignorant, i dont even wanna start this endless mythical and pointless discussion

Originally posted by Diekrupt
Does anyone know the deal with the wheel, is it trigger adjustment on the fly?and will the modes be capped in US, UK for astm as Im assuming they will be?


yes
, most likely, unless the ASTM laws change

Originally posted by Diekrupt
[B]
In terms of performance, I will be considering selling my IR3 to get a 4. Is this a wise thing, will the performance difference justify me having to loose money in selling a used gun to get a 4?

there wont be much performance difference, it's your choice

[Diekrupt]

Lol

You guys are worse than politicians and religious zealots. Lay off the crack and dont be such an ass if my paintball physics conflict with yours, as I noted it is debatable.

Chill out. And yes, I used a really modified cocker with a steel boomie at 290fps and it didnt move more than 16th of an inch, wasnt even noticable.


Diekrupt

[captncrunch]

the arch thing is more of an illusion with how a marker is setup, I'm not going to get into it now though. search around, there are a gazillion threads about it, it has been proven. I put my cockers barrel, my angels barrel, and my matrixes barrel in a vice, they all had boomys on them, the barrels were perfectly level, on the same angle and parallel with each other, all chrono'd to the same fps. I shot all 3 a bunch, theballs landed in the same damn spot. And if anything a cocker is harder to snapshoot with than a high end elecetro, they aren't as responsive as an electro, unless they are highly tuned.My cocker's bolt opens in about 16 ms, and is capable of around 22 bps with a halo. My cockers is a raced freeflow with top of the line parts, quick exhaust valves on the ram, and professionally tuned, and it is comparable to the responsiveness and speed of any angel. any cocker without heavy tuning, electric or mechanical, will not be easier to snap shoot with.

and cockers have kick, idk how you say the don't, they do. I love my cocker to death but it does have kick, and shoots the same as my other guns, just has a different feel, because the firing point is different, feels different, and works different.



ok i'm done now, hehe

[Diekrupt]

Originally posted by captncrunch
it has been proven. I put my cockers barrel, my angels barrel, and my matrixes barrel in a vice, they all had boomys on them, the barrels were perfectly level, on the same angle and parallel with each other, all chrono'd to the same fps. I shot all 3 a bunch, theballs landed in the same damn spot.


ok i'm done now, hehe

I think that only if a person performs this test will they themselves be satisfied with the results of paintball physics :)

http://www.directpaintball.com/article_mike_myths.html

So if all paintball guns are as accurate? How can wdp claim the A4 as the most accurate. No reply needed, it was a joke.

[JTp8ntballer12]

this is getting way to messed up...

[tgallo]

So if all paintball guns are as accurate? How can wdp claim the A4 as the most accurate. No reply needed, it was a joke. [/B]

Maybe...or maybe they know that lots of paintball players don't believe in the laws of physics and hope these morons buy into it.

I'll be buying one myself...but not because I believe it will be more accurate than anything else.

[rebelace12]

What does any of this have to do with pre-ordering?