IR4 Teasers

[PBEric]

Everyone has been asking about info on the new Angel 4. The official WDP/AOG press release will be posted soon, but here are a few teasers for those who can't wait!!

175psi operating pressure
Lower LPR pressure
Soft faced bolt
Pressure guage built into ASA
Custom stamped aluminum backplate
Split menu LCD board
Clamp feed neck
1/2 inch shorter
1/2 pound lighter
Externally adjustable trigger

As usual the WDP Master Tech's will be the first trained and certified on the new Angel 4. The following Master Tech WDPService.com locations will be in the first US companies to receive Angel 4 approximately 3 weeks after the New York launch.

WWW.ANGELPARTS.COM
WWW.ANGELSERVICECENTER.COM
WWW.BADLANDSPAINTBALL.COM
WWW.FIXMYANGEL.COM
WWW.IMPACTPAINTBALL.COM
WWW.MOSPAINTBALL.COM
WWW.PERFORMANCEANGEL.COM

[Evil Angel]

OMG...thats gonna be sweet

[Com]

erm isnt it called the A4 not the IR4

[BONES]

Yeah it's called the A4.

[warpedx]

This thing seems to be designed not to chop at all. Lower lpr and a softer bolt. Only thing that would come up is if the bolt can be deformed over time.

[BONES]

Possible, but if you get no chops but have to replace the bolt every 25k or so, I wouldn't really care...

[Deep Sixx]

1/2 pound lighter than what, exactly? Base, CNC, Fly, Speed, iR3, LCD?

sixx

[bunkertime]

SWEET!!!

now all we need are LOTS of pictures and a price. lol

[dark2k2LCD]

Originally posted by Deep Sixx
1/2 pound lighter than what, exactly? Base, CNC, Fly, Speed, iR3, LCD?

sixx
I would assume than the ir3

[Ninety2SiR]

Wow 1/2 lb is a lot!!! I can't image what all has been milled etc.

[bunkertime]

probably gonna be laser engraved like on the 2k3 LCD LE, wonder if they are gonna make a 2004 LCD LE

[TopCourage]

so now they decide to put the clamping feed neck standard on the Angels....

[MrDrake]

http://www.forceofnature.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=677&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

PICS!

[dark2k2LCD]

The guage will make it hard to adjust the TOE if you loose the specially cut allen keys that WDP gives you

[jasyn]

whoa .. looks somewhat similar to the orracle

http://www.forceofnature.com/images/newspics/angel4.jpg

[paintmasta87]

I think its ugly
what they hell were they thinking when they made that trigger.

[ChUbS]

Looks sweet but the price is out of my range for awhile! :(

[dwylie75]

that looks very nice. might have to pick it up

d

[Deep Sixx]

Yeah, the milling is pretty uninspired, and I don't like that trigger. Also, WTF is up with that guage? Why is it on the back and for that matter, why is it even there? You don't need it, and it looks fugly backwards like that.

God, do I ever hate volumizers. I like the clamping feed neck though. I'd like it better if it was a low rise, gated AND clamping.

Cosmetically unimpressive... time will tell what the performance is like. Probably great... they always are. It looks good on paper, although I don't buy into the LP hype and I'm a little wary of a "rubberized" bolt.

Still, I think I'll keep my Fly iR3.

sixx

[desiree]

the new york event has been changed to jersey right?

[bunkertime]

The Speed Trigger and Frame, Some Freak Volumizer, i would take off the guage and looks pretty sweet. the milling is nice, but has the sensi anti chop like the speed. if they wanted to guage to be used, they would have put it on the side or something, that guage probably add's $50-$100 on the price and has no use.

[LED_bushwacker]

So how much is this bad boy? I couldnt find it @ any of the links. Can u reserve any anywhere?

[warpedx]

http://www.forceofnature.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=677&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Thats the article on FON.
Don't think the orders are being taken yet though.

[punkd]

ok do we really need 4 threads on this ting!?!?!

[Benze]

buy my speed :P

[sfxer02]

no doubt everyone is busting a nut man my speed is still the shiznit to me

aight peace

[Jedrith]

Wheeee Im going to the NJ super 7...i am sooo gonna test it out.

[Emmit]

Originally posted by punkd
ok do we really need 4 threads on this ting!?!?!

I'm trying to merge them.....but they keep popping up....:angry:

[acoenfam1]

Rumor has it they'll be about the same as the IR3 when they first showed up. About $1400.00.

[Emmit]

this is now the only open thread on it that I see....the pic thread still exists so you can oogle the pics, however the other thread got out of hand with flames, so it got closed.

Enjoy

[acoenfam1]

Yea I saw that GTG Emmit. Anyway I'll restate what I said about the trigger bounce adjustment. It just seems like a way for dust, paint, etc.... to get into the gun and mess with the optics of the trigger. Yuk!

[Duracell]

The A4 is simply amazing, embrace the new angel then talk about what you don't like later.

[paintballaholick]

anybody know what color options???If (and when) i get this the first thing i will do is take the gauge off!

[paintballaholick]

o man...its faster than the speed!!31 bps!!!

[Emmit]

Originally posted by paintballaholick
anybody know what color options???If (and when) i get this the first thing i will do is take the gauge off!

check the thread with the pics, it appears to have about 5 or so different color options.

[acoenfam1]

Oh I intend to embrace one. Hopefully a Dark one right around Tax time!

Hey Emmit,

Is there anyway to just move the pics to this thread then delete the others to get rid of some of the clutter???

[paintballaholick]

damn...that thing is smart. Adjusts auto to ur loader. auto sensi test!!Damn...whats the price, I NEED ONE!!

[jabbster]

But what I find a bit odd is that is very similar to the speed. The operating pressure is similar the ROF is Very similar the styling is unconventional and pleasing, but still preformance wise it is a speed. I love the new Angel and will always love all angels but there is little reason to drop your speed and get a A4. Just my opinion, but does anyone else see things this way???

Sincerely,

The jabbster

[Emmit]

Originally posted by acoenfam1
Oh I intend to embrace one. Hopefully a Dark one right around Tax time!

Hey Emmit,

Is there anyway to just move the pics to this thread then delete the others to get rid of some of the clutter???


I could merge that one with this one...but I think the pics need their own....however I don't want multiple open threads on the same topic....see what I'm talking about?

[acoenfam1]

GTG. It's just that you have to wade through several pages of misc. garbage to get to the pics.

[SkeL]

Originally posted by paintballaholick
damn...that thing is smart. Adjusts auto to ur loader. auto sensi test!!Damn...whats the price, I NEED ONE!! \
Sensi has LDS too, it adjusts to your marker.

As I was wondering this before, this marker does have the debounce settings. Damn I'm good :evilgrin: :tongue:
Looks like an interesting piece, but nothing I need. I'm happy with my speed.

[Emmit]

Originally posted by acoenfam1
GTG. It's just that you have to wade through several pages of misc. garbage to get to the pics.

I thought you were talking about the ones taken from the event....the other ones are just too buried, you can't really randomly grab a post and merge it.....

[SkeL]

Also, the bolt picture he had in another thread doesn't look like it has a soft face at all. Anyone else notice that? Could be a bad angle though.

[A|ex]

So instead of just adding these new features to the speed, WDP felt the need to make a new gun. What a waste. The lcd is stupid IMO.

[SkeL]

It's how they make money A|ex! Now all the little kiddies are going to sell their Speeds to get it, and WDP makes a fortune.

[Emmit]

Originally posted by A|ex
So instead of just adding these new features to the speed, WDP felt the need to make a new gun. What a waste. The lcd is stupid IMO.

not really..it incorporates many of the things that the IR3 already had...

the timers (I use them every game)
no more guessing what mode you're in
no more guessing what your dwell is
no more guessing what your sensitivity is

and having the IR feature back, means you'll be able to make all these adjustments without opening the grip frame, something I also enjoy about my IR3.

[paintballaholick]

basicly its an ir3 thats LP or u can look at it as its a speed with an lcd! But its 10X better than both!think about it.........................

[Kdog-13]

So when do we get the A5 forum?

[lovejuicer77]

u mean a4

[bixby]

how much?

[AFTERMATH686]

does anyone know if there is going to be a Cobra angel 4

[JTp8ntballer12]

there was previously info on this, early sept

[Get'Some Kid]

What really makes me want to cry about the Angel 4, is that I literally just ordered an Angel Speed (at 12:30a.m. last night/this morning), and it wasn't until about 4p.m. today that I saw the Angel 4 deal on paintball.com. I am seriously frustrated. The Angel 4 has better anno (I like the fade look of the blue one) and it comes with the 3-Sum volumizer pack, and all the extras of the IR3 basically. The only good thing is that at least the Speed only cost me $950, whereas this is guaranteed to cost around $1400.

[Emmit]

word on these from one of our sponsors is the retail will be $1,299

there ya go folks.....

[biftip98]

i want one...

and actually, no its not just a frilled up speed, its lighter and shorter...

[paintballaholick]

I NEED ONE!!i can get it for around 1000 tho....boy do i love sponsors!!!

[Foosheezee]

Unless your sponsor is a master dealer, they prolly won't be getting a4's for less 1100

[paintballaholick]

i get a 20% discount. So if the price is 1300-260=1040!!

[morant]

i got a mild errection when i saw it :)

[YK010181]

I heard the price is $1250, which ain't bad at all.

[paintballaholick]

thats not bad at all.....considerig all the stuff u get!VOLS=50 lcd=??? etc.... for an extra 200 bux!

[Hep]

Originally posted by Emmit
not really..it incorporates many of the things that the IR3 already had...

the timers (I use them every game)
no more guessing what mode you're in
no more guessing what your dwell is
no more guessing what your sensitivity is

and having the IR feature back, means you'll be able to make all these adjustments without opening the grip frame, something I also enjoy about my IR3.

Ditto my man, this is why I havent ditched any of my IR3s for a Speed yet. I love the IR, timer and LCD feature on the IR3. Makes my Palm Pilot still usefull for what I originally purchased it for (IR3 mainly) and its a needed SKU for WDP. The Flagship marker for them. Bravo WDP keep it coming. :clap:
Hep

[A|ex]

WDP must be making tons of money now. The ir3 sold good once the bugs were worked out, then the speed came along and they ALL wanted that one (for some strange reason). A few monts later comes the A4, and for now this is the gun to have. One hell of a move there WDP.

i`m keeping my LCD.
May get ace or the eq board is that comes out. :)

[captncrunch]

I am very glad I didn't buy a speed, I'm going to probably get this gun in a mamba edition from cobra.

[lovejuicer77]

emmit do u consider getting one of these.....im just asking since you stuck with your dark.....through the speed age.....i think i might sell my mamba and use my bros strange till cobras version of the a4 ir4 whatever the name comes out

[lovejuicer77]

cobra is comin out wit its own version of this.....and i shall be the first to get it

[SkeL]

Where's cobra's version of the speed?

[captncrunch]

they were never making one in the first place, because their guns are custom and they wanted to only customize the "top of the line" guns. This release of the A4 shouldn't have been a suprise to anybody because Cobra stated they would be coming out with their own version in september/october area a while ago. ah I hope they make a fade involving orange and with the cobra tat, sexy sexy sexy...

[Hep]

Originally posted by A|ex
WDP must be making tons of money now. The ir3 sold good once the bugs were worked out, then the speed came along and they ALL wanted that one (for some strange reason). A few monts later comes the A4, and for now this is the gun to have. One hell of a move there WDP.

i`m keeping my LCD.
May get ace or the eq board is that comes out. :)

Yeah lord forbid a company try to make some $$$......... not flaming but its why they are in business. It shouldn't be any suprise to anyone that they will be releasing a new marker. Besides that its not replacing the Speed, especially in price point matters.

Economics bro,
Hep

[wdpbrad]

I think that the 4 is ulgy as hell. I already can tell you now that im gonna hate it and you know why, cause its looks like a speed. just by looking at it you can tell thats the way it would feel too. The crappy trigger, cheap milling, cheap looking anno job. WDP is getting lazy and is starting to lose their edge that they once had.

[deadeye_85]

This will destroy Speed Demon sales as they are around the same price. Its basically just a Speed with LCD, so I personally couldn't justify paying an extra $300+ for just a LCD board.

[JTp8ntballer12]

so this is gunna be about $1200?

i think this gun is the uglest angel ever...the space frame is cut so ugly and the evil guage, the milling is OK tho. IR3 for ever.

[Eyecare]

I haven't researched this much but perhaps someone else may know the differences between the A4 and Speed as far as internals/performance goes. Is the only difference for the extra $300 or so cosmetics, a guage and a LCD? I suppose a self adjusting Sensi can be considered a performance enhancement for those that don't want to take the time to tune it manually. It doesn't appear make much sense for current Speed owners to dump their gun in favor of the A4 unless they just have to own the lastest fad. It'll be rather like dumping a GZ Timmy for a 2K2. Both will shoot the same so it's just personal preference. Just my 2¢. :cool:

[dr.strangelove]

Pretty much the love child of the IR3 and Speed. It's got the LP stuff of the the Speed with the LCD perks of the IR3. what's with that frame though? The trigger is all angled like it's from a .45 frame when the Space Frame is supposed to put your hand in a straight position. Milling looks like the Speed, poo (but I hate all stock WDP milling, which is why all my angels are specially milled versions). Only way I'd consider buying one is if Rocky came out with one (like the IR3 I have now), and even then I think that trigger might hinder me. It looks like the trigger feel would be drastically different than what I like. I'm very happy with my IR3, and the only real dff. here is half an inch of metal, and 150 psi (my IR3's running 500, and this is 350 stock). I really don't see the rush for Speed owners to buy one, it's essentialy the same marker, save for an LCD screen and a little metal off the back. Aside from the new frame, it's a pretty nifty little marker, looks like it would really appeal to the Shocker croud, due to the LP stuff, and it's got alot more features. Of course, in a few months NOBODY will be able to compete with Smart Parts, since everybody else's revenue will be promptly re-directed to the pockets of the Smart Parts owners... but that's a different conversation entirely. That brings up an interesting point, if you do want one of these, try and buy it before October, as that'll likely be around the time that SP will own the electro marker industry if their lawsuit sticks.

[freeloader12345]

Just to get it in the open that SP stuff wont stick, ever heard of a monopoly, what will be next pumps?

NE ways. The 4 is nice. I tend to believe that WDP released the Speed to see the acceptance and the market for LP, high ROF Angels, face it once you get one you will always have one. True 31bps is nice if you can shoot that fast and LP is nice if you wanna play with it and buy a $500 A.I.R.. I agree that guage is a waste of money. I like the locking gated feed and the weight. But can WDP make it lighter, say a 4 Fly? But i will probally get this one Looks like my piece of cake.

Nice job WDP

[Emmit]

Originally posted by lovejuicer77
emmit do u consider getting one of these.....im just asking since you stuck with your dark.....through the speed age.....i think i might sell my mamba and use my bros strange till cobras version of the a4 ir4 whatever the name comes out

Yes. I am considering purchasing one of these. I will however wait a couple of months just like I did with the IR3. I want everything to be worked out before I drop that kind of money on it. As I said, this has everything that the Speed didn't that were reasons I didn't get the Speed when it came out. You can bet that if Warped gets their hands on this, that I'll be scooping up a Dark as soon as it's economically feasible.

[desiree]

wat color would you get emmit?

[lovejuicer77]

oh and what are the trigger wheels for ....are they like roller sear for the cocker

[Kdog-13]

They are for adjusting trigger pull length.

[captncrunch]

that looks cool

[IshBalla]

Originally posted by Emmit
Yes. I am considering purchasing one of these. I will however wait a couple of months just like I did with the IR3. I want everything to be worked out before I drop that kind of money on it. As I said, this has everything that the Speed didn't that were reasons I didn't get the Speed when it came out. You can bet that if Warped gets their hands on this, that I'll be scooping up a Dark as soon as it's economically feasible.

Exactally! thats what you want to do! just wait awhile and let everyone else get one so you can see how they like it and what they don't like about it. Plus like emmit said, if you wait a few months they'll get all the bugs worked out. (and of course there's the price dropage is you're really patient)

[Kdog-13]

On the other hand, if you purchase from a wdp master tech like cobra or fix my angel or mo's... even if they are fixing small problems they will take care of you.

[Badger]

yeah but that new trigger adjustment system means you cant use a magnet to attract the trigger screw, because there would be no screw. If you have tried a magnet on a speed or IR3 there is no going back. I took mine off and the trigger just would not return fast enough. It felt sloppy and laggy.

[captncrunch]

I'm sure there are ways to place magnets in the frame.

[acoenfam1]

That's why I'm planning on waiting for tax refund time to get mine. All the bugs should be worked out by then and there may even be a software upgrade or two.

[acoenfam1]

Originally posted by Emmit
word on these from one of our sponsors is the retail will be $1,299

there ya go folks.....

SWEET!!! So then I'm guessing a Dark (if made) will run around $1500.00ish. Time to go home and kiss all three of my little tax credits!

[Emmit]

Originally posted by Kdog-13
On the other hand, if you purchase from a wdp master tech like cobra or fix my angel or mo's or tag... even if they are fixing small problems they will take care of you.

but if you don't live close, the shipping adds up....hence a reason to wait... ;)

[Kdog-13]

I agree. I was just saying if you live close to a Master tech you know they will take care of the problem.

BTW: Is there going to be an A4 forum so i can make a thread about the Cobra Mamba A4 and how I want one?

[paintballaholick]

yea.... jw, what makes u uys think that cobra is gonna make one?They arnt making one of the speed....y this one?

[idiotkid]

There was a thread a while ago about cobra paintball not wanting to make their version of the speed, but waiting to make their own version of the new WDP gun when it came out in a few months. Im not sure where it was but it was here somewhere.

-Pete

[captncrunch]

basically cobra is only taking the elite and the absolute top of the line guns and customizing them, the speed wasn't meant to be that, so they aren't touching it.


Originally posted by paintballaholick
yea.... jw, what makes u uys think that cobra is gonna make one?They arnt making one of the speed....y this one?

because they said they would be a while ago

[Emmit]

Originally posted by Kdog-13


BTW: Is there going to be an A4 forum so i can make a thread about the Cobra Mamba A4 and how I want one?

why yes, yes there is.....take a gander at it...Ron's the first one to post about taking pre-orders.

[TopCourage]

personally...i think it is ugly...the trigger looks like somthing off of a tippmann double trigger kit. the gauge looks horrible on it too. not only that, i think it is just plain ugly...

[Emmit]

honestly guys that guage is not only useful, but it's also in the best possible position..

everyone has always wanted to know what their minireg is putting out, well know you can...

also in most cases the guage is on the side of the reg, and you can't tell what your getting without tilting the marker sideways, in this case they made the guage so you can see it while you're in a normal shooting position, this is perfect!!!!!!! No more moving the marker into an odd position to see what your minireg output is!!!

[TopCourage]

personally, it never really bothered me that i didn't know the pressure in the mini-reg. but thats just me...

[Kdog-13]

Originally posted by Emmit
honestly guys that guage is not only useful, but it's also in the best possible position..

everyone has always wanted to know what their minireg is putting out, well know you can...

also in most cases the guage is on the side of the reg, and you can't tell what your getting without tilting the marker sideways, in this case they made the guage so you can see it while you're in a normal shooting position, this is perfect!!!!!!! No more moving the marker into an odd position to see what your minireg output is!!!


I agree with your assessment 100% emmit.

[JTp8ntballer12]

the guage is right where i hold the reg tho...

[Hep]

At any rate with WDP and its continued like availabilty Im thinking this marker wont be done and said for sale until the World Cup? Anyone else thinking the same? Ther IR3 was sooo postponed and sooo much hype Im sure they sold out of them before they was released just like the A4 will be. Me Im just gonna sit back and wait a few months and pick up a used one or haggle my sponsor for one but not until its been out for a while.
Hep

[tgallo]

I have to agree with Emmit. The guage is useful and in the best possible place. ANd (in my opnion) it does not detract from the good looks of the marker.

[captncrunch]

Prior to having a guage standard, too see your input pressure, you would either need to drill and tap the ASA or run a gas thru and look at your tanks output guage. With the guage on board, you can also nake sure the minireg recharches quickly. I think a guage is necessary to tune your marker, especially with the volumizers coming standard.

[Emmit]

Originally posted by TopCourage
personally, it never really bothered me that i didn't know the pressure in the mini-reg. but thats just me...

it's not only useful in tuning the marker, but also in troubleshooting it (what about reg beatdown) and if you've got an air problem on the field you're gonna know it, and you're gonna know how severe it is......

is the gauge absolutely necessary? maybe not in play, and you could probably by a test rig for tuning.......but it'll certainly help out

[JTp8ntballer12]

how long was the ir3 postponed (ir3 was released about the time i got my first tippmann)

i guess the guage isnt too bad.. something that ya can get used to easily

[dyeir3]

im gonna keep my ir3 and when WDP comes out with its next gun ill probly get that. now what will the A5 be like?????

[desiree]

just got back from nppl new jersey, and held a a4 with AIR on and it was the lightest thing i have ever held. It was awesome!

[bunkertime]

it would be SOOOO awsome if they twisted it about 10* or 15* to the left well... turned, twisted wut ever. that way, u can see it right when ur shooting, not having to move your hand and look though the trigger guard or what ever. that would be kool. i think it looks AWSOME! the milling looks like it's moving. Flying away like a REAL angel. Hmmmmm.... can i borrow $1,400 from ne one? (gotta have upgrades ;))

[Woogie12]

Originally posted by desiree
just got back from nppl new jersey, and held a a4 with AIR on and it was the lightest thing i have ever held. It was awesome!
What a coincedence, me too. But yea they are soooooo light. :evilgrin:

[bunkertime]

one of the guys at our field pre-ordered a red A4, so i'll be getting to shoot one soon :)

[Kdog-13]

Shot one at the chrono today and now I can't wait for the cobra a4.

IT was absolutely sick!

[N4TRBL]

I Shot one the other day and it was Sweet,Light and Fast.I have a Tricked out Impy that I have to work to get over 10 BPS and the A4 I was hitting 15 BPS right off the bat.The stock trigger was auesome.I plan on saving up for this one.