Which air system is better?

[TopCourage]

im trying to find out which air system will work best for my gun....so which one is the best for the money

[TopCourage]

that might be a good idea....i havent really gotten a chance to do so....j, what is your personal opinion on which one is better?

[PureEvilPlaya]

man i have used an armegeddon on my angels and never had a problem. also i have had a conquest. cant complain.. but havent had the chance to try an a.i.r. but would definately recommend the armegeddon.

[Action75]

i use a preset PE 5000 tank...it works great. no need to spend 4-500 bucks on a tank and have double regs.......the angel works great with a simple preset tank...such as the pure energy one that im running...no shootdown

[TopCourage]

so are the PE alot more consistent than lets say crossfire, cause what im looking for is consistency and a way to conserve gas, which i have heard bout double regging a gun....

[Action75]

double regging is not necessary...period, not with an angel anyways. a shocker yes, but an angel, no. And yes, the PE tank is more consistant then the crossfire tank....it flows more freer. ii would definetly say get the PE tank, but thats just my $0.02.

[Action75]

by the way, i run a PE 68ci 5000psi tank and can get 1400+ shots off with it. However, i can only do this when the air techs actuall fill my tank to 5000psi. lol, a little off topic, but when i first bought my tank and had it filled at the field, i only got 1200 shots off and was like "what the hell?!" took me about half the day to realize that the air tech people were only filling it to 4500psi

[djmjohan]

Originally posted by Action75
double regging is not necessary...period, not with an angel anyways. a shocker yes, but an angel, no. And yes, the PE tank is more consistant then the crossfire tank....it flows more freer. ii would definetly say get the PE tank, but thats just my $0.02.

I found double regging gave minimal benefits at best, and going single reg removes a built-in safety factor. If your tank reg fails for some reason you risk damaging your solenoid.

I originally single regged my IR3 because I wanted the maximum efficiency, maximum accuracy, maximum consistency. I thought single regging would give me added consistency.

I also used a DEZ open face bolt which increased my fps by 20 and improved my consistency by about 50%

Anyways, I found my consistency was about the same with single or double reg (+/-3 either way)

. My shots per fill increased - theoretically -, in that since your tank output is now around 350 psi instead of 650 psi, you get to use that extra 300 psi difference of air.

However, this is a very miniscule benefit. My IR3 was already able to shoot almost 1800 shots off a 4500 fill, adding another pod and a half onto that wouldn't be much.

And since I and various others have had their AIR's fail and blast 1250 psi into the macroline (and bursting it), I have become VERY aware of the good sense of having a secondary reg.
I probably saved my solenoid that day..

[TopCourage]

so djmjohan, is double regging good or bad? i kinda got lost in your post....lol

[djmjohan]

sigh...
here's the condensed version.

double-regging = same performance as single-regging, plus built in safety factor.

single-regging does give you slightly more shots per fill (since you can shoot down to 350ish psi instead of 650ish psi). That's about it.

double regging = same consistency as single-reg.
single regging = more shots per fill, but more danger. No difference on consistency.

[hermbros]

I personally like the AIR... just because it matches LCDs so well. Forget all that consistency stuff. :)

[C]-[iLDe]

DEFINITELY get a nice preset for your angel, save a few bucks and keep your solenoid intact, all in one easy step! You wont be sorry, and your consistancy wont suffer for it.

[hermbros]

I agree with Childe. But if your either swimming in cash or find a real cheap one like I did then I would get a nice tank (like an AIR).

[SuperFly]

I like my Angel AIR. Single regging bad. Double regging good. WDP put a mini reg there for a reason. You can find AIRs online sometimes on Ebay used for about $300.

[pimp with a limp]

i have a conquest on my cocker and angel a.i.r. on my dark ir3. the conquest is just as consistent as my angel air and lighter. if u want to have lcd display on ur tank i guess its ok, but its really not worth the money.

[metallica71787]

Dude Trust me on this one. Get a Apokalipse 2k. they have exelent support and they have a lifetime warrentry. If anything would go wrong with it I am certian that they will fix it no questions asked. Also the Apokalipse 2k tank is VERY light. When I purchased it I though it was going to b very heavy and to my supprise it wasent. Also it kinda saves you money because it comes with a built in drop. I have it all the way back and it fits perfectly, but that depends on how you like your tank. Also there is one thing that would probally like to have for it. Its about $12. Its a KAPP tourney lock you can get it from thier website and when you set the output pressure for 750psi it tends to unscrew and screw in pretty easily. If you have any further questions about the tank please get a hold of me.

[Gary1]

All of you are gonna laugh......but my results are good....and cheap. Nitro Duck X-Stream..... marker locked down(no movement) the group is the same at 1 bps or rippin'. The velocity holds steady as well as the output pressure (as steady as the next guy with other tanks). It just might not sound cool saying you have a "Duck on an Angel"

[dowmace]

I would definately get the air because it is the ultimate in air performance it has it's own lcd screen for cripes sake

[Alex-Angel]

Crossfire 68 4500 tanks are the best in my opinion, their cheap and very high performance. My stock angel lcd got a consistency of 270 272 270 273 when i chronoed it, and i was using stock bolt, infinity barell, and some cruddy core paintballs that are 27 bucks a case at academy. I would never change tanks after these results.

[dgaley27]

yea i would definately go with crossfire before pe. pe has definately began to go to crap with some of their tanks, their regs are made cheaply and ive seen many tests on recharge and crossfire was ahead of pe. i work at paintballgear, and they're are countless people having to bring back their tanks from pe... my friend with a fly ir3, went through 3 before he got a crossfire, just my .02

dave

[Styles Bitchley]

I think it's a bit dumb to spend $400 on an adjustable air system and then still use the cheesy stock reg. If you are going to spend that kind of money go with a MaxFlo and eliminate the inline. I would either do that, or use a preset with a good inline such as a Sidewinder. My experiences have been best with those two setups.

[slam]

how many shoots can you get with a 88 3k on a angel

[Emmit]

Originally posted by slam
how many shoots can you get with a 88 3k on a angel


eleventy billion shoots......do you mean how many shots?

[SuperFly]

Should get at least 880 shots or more(88ci = size of tank & 3000psi = pounds per square inch). Like if you have a 3000psi tank, you times the size of the tank by 10 and that should be a good estimate. If you have a 4500psi, times the size of the tank by 15 instead of 10.

[SuperFly]

Here is a good reference chart........

Tank Size Est.Shots Tank Size Est.Shots
48cu 3000psi----480 48cu 4500psi----720
68cu 3000psi----680 68cu 4500psi----1020
88cu 3000psi----880 88cu 4500psi----1320
96cu 3000psi----960 96cu 4500psi----1440
110cu 3000psi---1100 110cu 4500psi---1650
114cu 3000psi---1140 114cu 4500psi---1710

[frippe]

dif. with a Max-flow and the other high price system is : you can play with single reg. and say 100 -200 last shots of your bottle is still very consistence. thats the big dif. betwen a cheaper preset and expensive double reg. today's air system is all very good. a full tank on a double reg gun .. there is no diffrence... with a preset say you get 1000 good shots. and with a a.i.r or maxflow you get 1100- 1200 good shots. thats the Big dif. and the price on the system. if you want all of your shots to be to the max go with a A.i.r or max-flow... can you live with the 100 last shots of your tank goes +/- 20 fps in rapid, go with a cheap preset. Got the Info of Ravi Choppra. are chosing betwen my max-flow and my Pe . the max is 2 years old and the pe is new. and the pe is not so heavy so i think i will choose that. if you are a front player you do not have 1000 shots at one game ( not so often) but if you are a back player you will make the 1000 ... then the extra 100 - 150 shots may come in handy ..... hope you understand .

[TeTra PuNk0120]

I luv my 45/45 angel air....the green to match my gun...so pimped out

[captncrunch]

think it's a bit dumb to spend $400 on an adjustable air system and then still use the cheesy stock reg
Styles, the stock wdp inline reg is one of the best on the market, I have that and a sidewinder for my cocker, sidewinders are about the same performance.

[lucky001]

one word GEDDON FREAKEN AWSOME

[Styles Bitchley]

The miniregs i have used have been hit and miss. I've seen a lot of people swear by them, and a lot of those are using good bottles. The minireg doesn't have a good balance ratio, meaning it doesn't actually regulate that well considering other regs out there. I've noticed it before setting people's LPRs, you adjust the tank pressure and the LPR goes up because the minireg isn't handling it right. This will happen with any reg but i've seen some pretty big margins on the minireg. Still, it's a good reg, small and very very reliable.

[Jedrith]

Yeah, how come the geddon tank isn't on that poll list?

[andygonzo]

You guys forgot about the AGD Flatline, i personally think mags are great guns, but there to heavy. But AGD does make great N2 tanks

[frippe]

. people say ... my system is so good ... 270, 271, 270 ... and so...
that has nothing to do with your air system. only with your inline reg. if you shoot 10 - 20 bps then you have the result of the air system. all new air systems can handel 0- 9 bps. and the last shoot of the tank thats the dif. betwen good and bad systems.

[Hep]

Nitro Duck X-stream reg!
www.nitroduck.com

[captainzonar99]

What about a apoc 2k i have seen people with them and they are shooting +/- 1?

[cody11scrappy]

you guys guns suck. im running my LCD off of a Center Flag 420 (68/45) screw in and it gets over 2000 off of a fill and i dont have any drop of at all. I just have the stock bolt and dwell set on 16 too

[crpydy]

I rock a 68 3000 brass eagle on my ir3 fly. just as consistant as any other preset......croofire, pe, etc. Plus I almost got paid to take it off the store owners hands.

[IBJanky]

no need to double reg. the ange lregs work fine.

get a cheap screw in preset tank like an ACI Bulldog and save your money for something else :)

[captncrunch]

i likr the xstream, just bought one, it's great but drops off after around 16-17 bps on my matrix, which is a very demanding gun in the first place